Will you Nerf your Wallet or buff your wallet with Blackwood?

oldbobdude

I'll wait. I just started playing in March with base game + Morrowind and I sub. Since I'm kind of a completionist I'm thinking I may have a year before I'm done with content I have access to now.

Lab3360

Hoolielulu wrote: »

Already nerfed it. I was excited after being gone for a few months but now...I'm going to try and get my money's worth and decide what to do after that. It's not looking good. My small pvp guild folded this morning because of the future nerfs and I don't really know what the future holds.

I won't be paying for a nerf either

MythrialDrow

Wallet sick and tired of constant changes and there is nothing in Blackwood that excites me

SirAndy

Lab3360 wrote: »

Who here will be buying Blackwood and why?
Who here will not be buying Blackwood and why?
Who will be spending more or less on game and why?

I spent more than that on booze in one weekend, so yes, of course i'm gonna buy the DLC.

ArchMikem

Its more story and land to explore, so of course I'm being nerfed.

Starlock

Well, there's been something of a progression in a negative direction.

A couple years ago I reached a limit of disgust with this game's bad monetization and stopped buying crown packs.

Last year I regretted having a subscription and let it expire when it rolled over this year, again, mostly because of disgust with this game's bad monetization that has continued to get worse.

So this year, I said, I may or may not get the chapter. Didn't pre-order for the first time since that's been a thing, in part because I'ms till sick of this game's bad monetization that keeps getting worse and also because ZoS just doesn't have a good track record on their chapter features outside of classes. Wait for PTS and see. Some aspects look interesting in the companions system, but I can give it a pass. Especially because of two other things they're going to be doing. One - changes to combat mechanics that manage to ruffle even my feathers somehow. Two - their new skinner box called "endeavors" that is directly tied to the game's gambling system and I've got near zero faith this'll be designed in a way that isn't exploitative given gambling systems are inherently exploitative especially in a poorly regulated environment. I want no part of it, and there's no opt-out, so... that means a possibility of quitting the game entirely. There are worse things than quitting a game with high addiction risk that is also intensively monetized. I granted ESO sole exception to boycotting games with bad monetization, and it going back on the boycott list is very well deserved at this point, unfortunately.

To anyone who sticks around - monitor your gameplay, check your hours, don't grind the skinner boxes. Play what you enjoy , but play in moderation only. Don't fall into the addiction trap and don't open that door to overspending. GaaS like MMOs are notorious for cultivating these kinds of problems in people's lives. Often you only realize how bad it was in hindsight and its easier said than done to avoid the trap. And there's not anywhere near enough awareness about this problem.

WiseSky

Last Week I spend 60$ on Skip The dishes.

This Week I made Home Made meals and Bought Blackwood with the money I saved.

Lab3360

Starlock wrote: »

Well, there's been something of a progression in a negative direction.

A couple years ago I reached a limit of disgust with this game's bad monetization and stopped buying crown packs.

Last year I regretted having a subscription and let it expire when it rolled over this year, again, mostly because of disgust with this game's bad monetization that has continued to get worse.

So this year, I said, I may or may not get the chapter. Didn't pre-order for the first time since that's been a thing, in part because I'ms till sick of this game's bad monetization that keeps getting worse and also because ZoS just doesn't have a good track record on their chapter features outside of classes. Wait for PTS and see. Some aspects look interesting in the companions system, but I can give it a pass. Especially because of two other things they're going to be doing. One - changes to combat mechanics that manage to ruffle even my feathers somehow. Two - their new skinner box called "endeavors" that is directly tied to the game's gambling system and I've got near zero faith this'll be designed in a way that isn't exploitative given gambling systems are inherently exploitative especially in a poorly regulated environment. I want no part of it, and there's no opt-out, so... that means a possibility of quitting the game entirely. There are worse things than quitting a game with high addiction risk that is also intensively monetized. I granted ESO sole exception to boycotting games with bad monetization, and it going back on the boycott list is very well deserved at this point, unfortunately.

To anyone who sticks around - monitor your gameplay, check your hours, don't grind the skinner boxes. Play what you enjoy , but play in moderation only. Don't fall into the addiction trap and don't open that door to overspending. GaaS like MMOs are notorious for cultivating these kinds of problems in people's lives. Often you only realize how bad it was in hindsight and its easier said than done to avoid the trap. And there's not anywhere near enough awareness about this problem.

Yeha...the combat mechs and the reduction of earned champion points are huge red flags. I agree

Lab3360

MythrialDrow wrote: »

Wallet sick and tired of constant changes and there is nothing in Blackwood that excites me

From olayer base may be a huge nerf for ZOS this time around. Turnabout is fair play.

Thechuckage

The piggybank is closed.

Aertew

Wolfpaw wrote: »

I won't be buying any content drops this year.

edit: Playable Goblin race or a pvp update will open.

Goblin race wont happen. Never really happened in other TES games and wouldnt make sense anyways and would mostly be a joke. How would you even talk to NP

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Unfortunately I pre-ordered it, before I checked it out this past week on the PTS.

Companions die to the most basic of trash mobs and offer little to nothing.

The oblivion gates are actually tiny little bubbles about the size of your player with 2 guards outside of it, that a lvl 3 templar with a lightning staff and training pants can clear on their own.

And then there's the across the board nerfing.. every CP tree pretty much has 500~750 or so left over CP in it that does nothing for you but unlock optional junk you 'might' want to end up slotting at some point for some reason.

Plus the sets have been trashed once again hitting the middle tier players worse than the high tier.

So.. yep not looking forward to Murkmire 2.0 at all.

Here ya go, the bid bad oblivion portal of doom. vvv

Im disapointed too. Why not make it like a normal oblivion portals? I think city of ash dungeon has one. Also I believe they said you can go inside them so it's more than that.

Ishtarknows

I've already bought the new chapter, but that was before I realised the only really new content would be companions. They hold no real appeal or necessity to me - glorified combat pets you need to roleplay with to level up - and I can't see me doing the quest required to use them on any other toon than my main character who does everything for the achievements points.

Rockgrove had better be good

Starlight_Whisper

Too invested still idk lackluster even more then greymoor

Caligamy_ESO

Faulgor wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Here ya go, the bid bad oblivion portal of doom. vvv

You know you can enter those portals, right?

Speaking of PTS, I wanted to see the content before deciding whether I want to buy this chapter or not.

Just finished the main story on the test server.

Decided not to buy.

Yes.. I entered the portal and cleared the entire thing as a lvl 3 Templar, exited the other end at lvl 5 or 6

Khenarthi

I'll wait for it to go on sale, but I'll definitely buy it. I loved TES IV so it's got nostalgia value for me.

Lab3360

Thechuckage wrote: »

The piggybank is closed.

Have the feeling there is going to be a lot that coming around.

Im pretty dumb. But not dumb enough to pay for a nerf.

Lugaldu

After the first announcement, I wasn't as hyped as after the Greymoor announcement, but I still bought Blackwood straight away. Not because of the mount or something like that, but because I would have bought it anyway. I'm a huge fan of TES IV Oblivion and I would appreciate a little nostalgia. ESO is also the only game I play, and I look forward to new areas to explore and new stories, and I'm optimistic that the companions will be improved after the tests and then maybe be useful to go solo into group dungeons (of course, you can do that also alone, but it just takes too long for my taste when your char is not on max).

LalMirchi

Runefang wrote: »

I subscribe and buy every expansion. I'll continue to do so.

Yes, I do the same. The cost is negligible considering the vast amount of content. Even playing an hour a day (most often a few hours) makes it very worthwhile.

Nisekev

I won't buy because I have plenty of unchecked bought content. Also so far purchasing content for ESO was disappointing compared to purchasing other games.

rpa

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Unfortunately I pre-ordered it, before I checked it out this past week on the PTS.

Companions die to the most basic of trash mobs and offer little to nothing.

The oblivion gates are actually tiny little bubbles about the size of your player with 2 guards outside of it, that a lvl 3 templar with a lightning staff and training pants can clear on their own.

And then there's the across the board nerfing.. every CP tree pretty much has 500~750 or so left over CP in it that does nothing for you but unlock optional junk you 'might' want to end up slotting at some point for some reason.

Plus the sets have been trashed once again hitting the middle tier players worse than the high tier.

So.. yep not looking forward to Murkmire 2.0 at all.

Here ya go, the bid bad oblivion portal of doom. vvv

The PTS version cosmetic things are still incomplete so I assumed that particular one is a placeholder asset.

That said, portals which look more like Oblivion portals (and deposit foes in some fights) IMO are bit video related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=071cXxCNj5A

Tandor

I've already pre-ordered the digital upgrade on both my accounts, because I'm looking forward to it. I shan't be looking at it on PTS as I prefer to find everything out for myself at launch.

MageCatF4F

In spite of the unending nerfs coming out of the dev team I was going to buy Blackwood for companions expecting:

1. companions would be useful in combat
2. companions would allow my associate and I to do 4 person random normal dungeons without having to put up with other players.

After testing on PTS, and yes it is early and my testing is incomplete, companions can do neither. It's not that they aren't good enough for random normal, (which they aren't), as far as I can tell they simply can't be used there to take a player slot.

So the only thing in the chapter we had any interest in is useless for us.

Unless things change in the above there is nothing in the chapter that would get us to buy it.

Elsonso

SirAndy wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Who here will be buying Blackwood and why?
Who here will not be buying Blackwood and why?
Who will be spending more or less on game and why?

I spent more than that on booze in one weekend, so yes, of course i'm gonna buy the DLC.

So... first get drunk... then buy ESO merchandise... ?

Shantu

For the first time in 5 years, ZOS has officially nerfed my wallet...and my attitude.

Abelon

I'll wait and see if the companions get a few buffs or not. I want companions, I don't want them to be op or to replace players. But currently they are just a burden that needs to be rezzed again and again. I honestly wouldn't mind if they lost combat functionality completely, at least that way you could drag them around for rp/ lore purposes and not worry about them dying yet again. Best case scenario though, they get some aoe resistances, or get downed instead of killed, or something along these lines.

If not, I might get Blackwood on sale later on.

FaylenSol

Already bought Blackwood.

Because I am excited about the new content, new zone, new world event, and new story. Companions are a wonderful bonus.

Elsonso

FaylenSol wrote: »

Already bought Blackwood.

Because I am excited about the new content, new zone, new world event, and new story. Companions are a wonderful bonus.

We only get new zone content twice per year. The other two times we get dungeon content, presumably so that Finn can practice killing off characters in some evil machination of his . While I appreciate his efforts, I generally play for the zone content. That makes the Chapter and the 4Q zone DLC too much to pass up.

Greasytengu

Lab3360 wrote: »

Thechuckage wrote: »

The piggybank is closed.

Have the feeling there is going to be a lot that coming around.

Im pretty dumb. But not dumb enough to pay for a nerf.

good news! the nerfs are free!!

Lab3360

Shantu wrote: »

For the first time in 5 years, ZOS has officially nerfed my wallet...and my attitude.

Yeah...I think they going to feel the nerf hit back.

Lab3360

rpa wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Unfortunately I pre-ordered it, before I checked it out this past week on the PTS.

Companions die to the most basic of trash mobs and offer little to nothing.

The oblivion gates are actually tiny little bubbles about the size of your player with 2 guards outside of it, that a lvl 3 templar with a lightning staff and training pants can clear on their own.

And then there's the across the board nerfing.. every CP tree pretty much has 500~750 or so left over CP in it that does nothing for you but unlock optional junk you 'might' want to end up slotting at some point for some reason.

Plus the sets have been trashed once again hitting the middle tier players worse than the high tier.

So.. yep not looking forward to Murkmire 2.0 at all.

Here ya go, the bid bad oblivion portal of doom. vvv

The PTS version cosmetic things are still incomplete so I assumed that particular one is a placeholder asset.

That said, portals which look more like Oblivion portals (and deposit foes in some fights) IMO are bit video related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=071cXxCNj5A

Imo, they are trying to push out veteran community and market to new playerbase.