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Did summerset sold badly?
hcbigdogdoghc
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Something I've read before is that the reason behind ZOS going full on nostalgia trips the past few years is because Summerset (their only "original" chapter) bombed.
So now ZOS won't explore any new regions anymore and only revisit explored areas in TES to the point of rehash the same storylines.
Is this true?
So now ZOS won't explore any new regions anymore and only revisit explored areas in TES to the point of rehash the same storylines.
Is this true?
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Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »Something I've read before is that the reason behind ZOS going full on nostalgia trips the past few years is because Summerset (their only "original" chapter) bombed.
So now ZOS won't explore any new regions anymore and only revisit explored areas in TES to the point of rehash the same storylines.
Is this true?
its like hollywood and the redos of old movies. equally bombing.8 -
grizzledcroc✭✭✭✭I mean what you want them to ? They have to visit these zones eventually and throw there own spins on it. They do all the new places then all we are left is all the o.g stuff.0 -
dominguero96✭✭✭Summerset is one of the most beautiful zones they have released with more content that newer chapters such as elsweyr and Graymoor.
However, it is not that it sold badly but if you had to choose between developing a new idea/zone ensuring enough sales (which by itself cost more) or using an already developed zone as a guide that will attract people by its nostalgia, what would you choose?
It is a mixture of laziness / intelligence for not wasting money when you can use something cheaper.
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Hurbster✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Elsweyr?So they raised the floor and lowered the ceiling. Except the ceiling has spikes in it now and the floor is also lava.40 -
hcbigdogdoghc✭✭✭✭✭grizzledcroc wrote: »I mean what you want them to ? They have to visit these zones eventually and throw there own spins on it. They do all the new places then all we are left is all the o.g stuff.
Location is one matter, but unlike morrowind where they did something new in an existing region ZOS literally rehashed the same dragons/vampires/dagon storyline the past few years especially in their marketing.
It's almost as if they can't do a new chapter without some sort of nostalgia element like summerset did.Edited by hcbigdogdoghc on April 21, 2021 8:25PM3 -
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✭✭✭It is the only chapter I didn't buy, mainly because my opinions on the architecture.2 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Summerset seems to be a well-populated zone whenever I go there-- even now, three years after its release.
That doesn't mean it must have sold well as a new chapter, since it's now available for crowns, or "for free" with ESO Plus, or might even have been acquired through purchase of a later "collection" edition of a newer chapter.
But it does at least suggest that Summerset is a popular zone. I've no idea how populated it is compared to the other chapter zones. Certainly Vvardenfell always seems to be heavily populated, but that could be due to Morrowind being included with the base game and being the place where new players are deposited if they don't have any newer chapters.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »
Which does not mean that Elsweyr was not an "original" chapter. If you'e going to argue that "original chapter" means totally original, with no type of content that's been seen before in other games, then nothing in ESO is original given that the base game, every DLC, and every chapter contains races, creatures, and places which have appeared in other ES games.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!8 -
Iccotak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ESO still has new content
Greymoor was the second most Nostalgia ridden chapter with "Skyrim + Vampires".
Elsweyr explored Khajiiti with the nostalgia of Dragons. Blackwood has some Cyrodil and Deadlands but it is largely Black Marsh.
Does ESO rely on Nostalgia? Yes, it has since day 1.
But their more original dlcs have been better; Orsinium, Clockwork City, & Murkmire were all truly fantastic.18 -
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✭I don't know how it faired compared to the Morrowind chapter in terms of sales but I pre-purchased Summerset, while I did not with Morrowind. I was there when Summerset went live on the server and it did seem pretty popular on release. Granted I personally dislike the zone because it's so bleeping hard to just get to so many places, but there's still a lot to the chapter itself that make it worthwhile.
I think a lot of the cannibalizing old TES games is more of ZOS not having a lot of vision for the game long-term and maybe also having their hands tied in terms of how much they can add to the TES lore and larger universe because of future plans for the franchise. I don't think it's just a matter of trying to attracting fans of the older games-- the truth is, there is still a huge TES singleplayer fanbase out there who will never play ESO or who may try it out and not play it long-term because it is an MMO and not a singleplayer. So taking ideas from the older singleplayer games has some limited value there.PC-NA since 2015. Tired and unimpressed.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Elsweyr, Orsinium, Clockwork City, Murkmire, Hew's Bane, honestly idk what you're even talking about. They've had several very successful chapters/expansions, including Summerset, with Summerset in particular being frequently lauded as one of the best story endings to date, wrapping up a storyline that had been years in the making and spread out over several chapters. Just because they're visiting the same zone as a previous game (basically impossible to avoid) and are hitting a particular nostalgia button doesn't mean they aren't doing it in a new and interesting way.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »Something I've read before is that the reason behind ZOS going full on nostalgia trips the past few years is because Summerset (their only "original" chapter) bombed.
So now ZOS won't explore any new regions anymore and only revisit explored areas in TES to the point of rehash the same storylines.
Is this true?
I believe only someone inside ZOS or someone who worked with ZOS directly can confirm that. But let's assume it's true for a second...if it was true, would their reasoning (not working on new regions because it made them no money) surprise you?0 -
SpaceElf✭✭✭I don't see how Summerset 'bombed.' It's probably the most visually appealing chapter and the story wasn't bad.
Greymoor is nice, but there isn't enough content on it's own to be a full chapter IMO. They should have combined it with Markarth to make a full story with enough content worthy of the label of chapter.5 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭the truth is, there is still a huge TES singleplayer fanbase out there who will never play ESO or who may try it out and not play it long-term because it is an MMO and not a singleplayer.
Yes, I often watch gamers who stream Elder Scrolls games, and at least one of them remarked that he didn't consider ESO to be an Elder Scrolls game "because it's an MMO."I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
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✭✭✭Orsinium was basically a chapter (before they called them that), and was not revisiting any of the newer TES titles (well, it was in Daggerfall, kind of, but that was a very different thing).
Elsweyr is actually the most "original" chapter they've done so far, even with dragons. High Elves are a staple of fantasy, one of the most standard of all races, white spires and beautiful forests and meadows and all that stuff. Sure, it was the first time that Summerset has been featured since Arena, but they borrowed heavily from fantasy cliché for that one.
A desert and subtropical jungle full of pseudo-Shaolin cat people with copious amounts of drug use who evolve into different forms depending on the moon - things like that are rare in major fantasy franchises even across all media, not just in videogames. The dragons are just there to bring it down to "weird and original" from "totally spaced out and crazy".
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More importantly, though: "Something I've read before". I'm really curious where you get things like this, and how the author who wrote that came by that information. Or maybe it was someone's hot take dumped onto Reddit or whatever.7 -
hcbigdogdoghc✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »
Which does not mean that Elsweyr was not an "original" chapter. If you'e going to argue that "original chapter" means totally original, with no type of content that's been seen before in other games, then nothing in ESO is original given that the base game, every DLC, and every chapter contains races, creatures, and places which have appeared in other ES games.
Every single mainline TES game transformed the series into something new, every game introduced something totally new and overhauled the universe, except ESO.
Yeah there are some nostalgia in the mainline games too, but these are easter eggs at most (like serious how much oblivion do you see in skyrim's marketing?) unlike ESO where nostalgia is literally at the forefront and the no.1 marketing attraction
ESO is the biggest game this far, yet with 7+ years they are still in the single player game's shadow.Edited by hcbigdogdoghc on April 21, 2021 9:06PM1 -
creeker5✭✭✭IMO Summerset was one of the best chapter releases. It brought jewelry crafting to the game. It introduced something besides dolmens (abyssal geysers). The landscape was stunning and gave a ton of original content. At least on Xbox NA to this day, it is still the most popular trader location for all the DLC and Chapters.
Although it would be nice to be able to go to the bank and not be belittled by a High Elf.0 -
redsaaryn✭✭Just because summer set failed doesn't mean that all original zones will all fail! Look at north and south elsweyr! They are 100% original! And they were huge successes0
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✭✭✭✭✭hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »Every single mainline TES game transformed the series into something new, every game introduced something totally new and overhauled the universe, except ESO.
If you're suggesting that ESO hasn't added anything new, and hasn't overhauled the universe, then I imagine there are a lot of Elder Scrolls fans who would disagree with you, because from what I've read in old posts from back when ESO was still in beta testing there were fans who criticized it quite a bit for what they saw as deviations from lore. Even today I occasionally see people claim that something in ESO is "breaking the lore."I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Where did you read this? Was it someone who might actually have that kind of information or was it a random comment online?
I mean I could say Summerset was actually the most successful release in the entire history of the Elder Scrolls francise and the sole reason ESO was able to brag about the number of copies sold and that's entirely because exactly 43% of the scenery is in shades of purple, which has been found to be the ideal to be visually appealing to the human mind, meaning you instinctively want to spend time there.
Now you've read that too, on the game's official forum no less. That doesn't mean any part of it is true. I literally just made it up on the spot and as far as I know every single part is nonsense.
Apart from having a marginally more plausable claim does your source for Summerset selling poorly due to a lack of nostalgia have any basis for sounding like a reliable source?PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"7 -
Iccotak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »
Which does not mean that Elsweyr was not an "original" chapter. If you'e going to argue that "original chapter" means totally original, with no type of content that's been seen before in other games, then nothing in ESO is original given that the base game, every DLC, and every chapter contains races, creatures, and places which have appeared in other ES games.
Every single mainline TES game transformed the series into something new, every game introduced something totally new and overhauled the universe, except ESO.
Yeah there are some nostalgia in the mainline games too, but these are easter eggs at most (like serious how much oblivion do you see in skyrim's marketing?) unlike ESO where nostalgia is literally at the forefront and the no.1 marketing attraction
ESO is the biggest game this far, yet with 7+ years they are still in the single player game's shadow.
People wanted the TES experience plus friends. (i.e. Skyrim Online)
When ESO first came out - it was not that. So yeah, they had to really ride the nostalgia train to garner interest again. Everything they do lore wise also is in collaboration with Bethesda.
imo I found Murkmire and Orsinium really new and different, those installments brought new things to the table.
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✭✭✭✭✭Did it help? Not really. Greymoor, while full of nostalgia, was by far the worst Chapter yet. Elsweyr with completely new environmentals was the best. So there’s that.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
FaylenSol✭✭✭✭I don't think anyone is nostalgic about Leyawiin. It had the least memorable quests in the game from what I can recall and little staying power.
Nothing against those who like it. It's just no Bruma, Anvil, Chorrol, or Imperial City.
But that is a good thing. Means the ESO team has a lot to work with with this expansion. Leyawiin had so little going for it in TES IV that the dev team can really do whatever they want in the city.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't think anyone is nostalgic about Leyawiin. It had the least memorable quests in the game from what I can recall and little staying power.
Nothing against those who like it. It's just no Bruma, Anvil, Chorrol, or Imperial City.
But that is a good thing. Means the ESO team has a lot to work with with this expansion. Leyawiin had so little going for it in TES IV that the dev team can really do whatever they want in the city.
I am. But it's because I just loved the city. Oh, I loved Mazoga too - even though I don't have any use for orcs, she was just.... so different I couldn't help but enjoy her and that quest line.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Jewelry crafting helped sell Summerset, by a lot..AND money cat. Razum-Dar.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!4 -
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✭hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »Something I've read before is that the reason behind ZOS going full on nostalgia trips the past few years is because Summerset (their only "original" chapter) bombed.
So now ZOS won't explore any new regions anymore and only revisit explored areas in TES to the point of rehash the same storylines.
Is this true?
No. Its not. Summerset was the best. A well written story and not a fan service6