How about give craft bag to everyone?

Bradyfjord

If they fix the server lag in Cyrodiil, then I will agree with OP.

lihentian wrote: »

oscarovegren wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

How about give craft bag to everyone, but only eso plus member can deposit anywhere. none eso plus player need to go to bank, and click depoit all craft material???

i mean there are more and more craft material in this game, crafting bag is no longer a convenient, it is simply a must have.

or i don't mind pay $100 to permanently unlock it, forcing sub will hurt population, i have many friend refuse to play a game that they need sub to do crafting.....

They need ESO+ subs to make profit. Craftbag is the biggest advantage of being a sub so why would they make it free? It´s all business

They need eso+ sub to make profit??? a expansion each year, and 3 dlc. crown crate, sky-shard, furniture, assistant, housing... and much more.. is not enough, they had to make it P2W to drive away players to make profit.. never mind i see it now.

well good thing i have my personal guild for storage, so i could careless, just want to help new player like my friend who just rage quit. not my loss~~~

Since when is paying a sub fee a pay to win scheme? What a preposterous notion.

I say it's preposterous because I pay for it. It's the value proposition of the whole concept of ESO+, and you want it for free. Yes with limits, but you still want it for free. If you really want the craft bag you just have to pay for it. That is all.

Tommy_The_Gun

Sometimes I do wonder: why stacks have 200 cap ? Why this wierd number ? Why not 100 ? Or rather why not 999 ? There must be a reason why it is 200 per stack. Does anyone have any idea ?

lihentian

Bradyfjord wrote: »

If they fix the server lag in Cyrodiil, then I will agree with OP.

lihentian wrote: »

oscarovegren wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

How about give craft bag to everyone, but only eso plus member can deposit anywhere. none eso plus player need to go to bank, and click depoit all craft material???

i mean there are more and more craft material in this game, crafting bag is no longer a convenient, it is simply a must have.

or i don't mind pay $100 to permanently unlock it, forcing sub will hurt population, i have many friend refuse to play a game that they need sub to do crafting.....

They need ESO+ subs to make profit. Craftbag is the biggest advantage of being a sub so why would they make it free? It´s all business

They need eso+ sub to make profit??? a expansion each year, and 3 dlc. crown crate, sky-shard, furniture, assistant, housing... and much more.. is not enough, they had to make it P2W to drive away players to make profit.. never mind i see it now.

well good thing i have my personal guild for storage, so i could careless, just want to help new player like my friend who just rage quit. not my loss~~~

Since when is paying a sub fee a pay to win scheme? What a preposterous notion.

I say it's preposterous because I pay for it. It's the value proposition of the whole concept of ESO+, and you want it for free. Yes with limits, but you still want it for free. If you really want the craft bag you just have to pay for it. That is all.

there are way too many crafting material, make it possible to craft for new player. unless you want to argue that crafting is not important in eso.

wheresbes

I've already stated previously that I gladly pay for ESO+ to support the game, what I don't really like is to pay the XBOX sub on top of that. We also receive crowns which basically cover the cost.

Besides, I'm from EU and one month of ESO+ costs me about 1/3 of ONE average dinner out, and I prefer to play this game rather than going out for dinner so no issue whatsoever for me

Amottica

lihentian wrote: »

jm42 wrote: »

so all the people will cancel their eso+? seems like wise move from zos

actually it is a wise move from Zos, like they did five years ago. if Zos continue to enforce sub model, this game would be long dead. But now they are starting to going back, and with current cash shop and b2p model, it would be consider as P2W.

also just saying.. they would earn more make people live easier. they already came up with b2p model, sub should be convenient, not p2w. unable to craft is a huge deal for some new player.

A quick bit of math shows that a years subscription brings in more revenue that the purchase of the four DLCs added in a year. Toss in that we can buy crowns on sale, as one just occured, and many of the DLCs go on sale at some point in the year, that difference increases substantially.

As such the math suggests it was a wise business move for Zos to make this crafting bag an ESO+ exclusive as they more money with the current design.

Further, as a new player myself, I think this game is amazing and have found no issues with the lack of access to the crafting bag. Oh yes, I did experience it with a one-month subscription to gain access to some leads so I have seen both sides.

PigofSteel

I can manage my inventory just nicely without subbing. Also dont care for new content since it gets nerfed over month and base sets are just on par with dlc ones...

Tommy_The_Gun

lihentian wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

If they fix the server lag in Cyrodiil, then I will agree with OP.

lihentian wrote: »

oscarovegren wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

How about give craft bag to everyone, but only eso plus member can deposit anywhere. none eso plus player need to go to bank, and click depoit all craft material???

i mean there are more and more craft material in this game, crafting bag is no longer a convenient, it is simply a must have.

or i don't mind pay $100 to permanently unlock it, forcing sub will hurt population, i have many friend refuse to play a game that they need sub to do crafting.....

They need ESO+ subs to make profit. Craftbag is the biggest advantage of being a sub so why would they make it free? It´s all business

They need eso+ sub to make profit??? a expansion each year, and 3 dlc. crown crate, sky-shard, furniture, assistant, housing... and much more.. is not enough, they had to make it P2W to drive away players to make profit.. never mind i see it now.

well good thing i have my personal guild for storage, so i could careless, just want to help new player like my friend who just rage quit. not my loss~~~

Since when is paying a sub fee a pay to win scheme? What a preposterous notion.

I say it's preposterous because I pay for it. It's the value proposition of the whole concept of ESO+, and you want it for free. Yes with limits, but you still want it for free. If you really want the craft bag you just have to pay for it. That is all.

there are way too many crafting material, make it possible to craft for new player. unless you want to argue that crafting is not important in eso.

Agree on that. I have already moved pretty much all dungeon dlc style materials to my housing storage. It impossible to keep them all in bank. However, the bigger the game gets, the more crafting item types we need. Each new crafting mat takes new item slots somewhere... so even though I buy a lot of stuff in this game, like dlcs, chapters, houses, crowns, cosmetics, mounts etc. - at some point I will run out of housing storage space, because that is getting filled with crafting mats that do not fit inside bank...

Bradyfjord

Just buy the ESO+ for a month. Put your items in there. Then remove as you need later. Resub when you need to add to it again.

Brrrofski

lihentian wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

did you read anything i wrote?

Yes I did, but it wasn't clear what you were asking for. I think I may have figured it out, though.

You want to buy the craft bag so you have unlimited storage without subscribing.
Subscribers mats would automatically store in the bag.
Nonsubscribers would have to go to the bank and manually move mats into the bag.

If this is what you are proposing then I still say no. You can't have the unlimited craft bag unless you subscribe. Not even with added restrictions.

nevermind, it seem people prefer p2w games.. oh well, not my loss

It's not about what anyone prefers.

ZOS will just never do it. Under any circumstance. It's just not worth wasting your energy on.

Jim_Pipp

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Sometimes I do wonder: why stacks have 200 cap ? Why this wierd number ? Why not 100 ? Or rather why not 999 ? There must be a reason why it is 200 per stack. Does anyone have any idea ?

This is an interesting thought. If items could stack with a higher cap...

No chance the craftbag comes out of eso+, but it would be a quality of life improvement for everyone.

For non-subs it would make it easier to hoard common materials, but it wouldn't help much with the rarer stuff. For non-subs it would help with non-crafting items that build up (looking at you crown poisons and daily log-in tri-pots!).

P.s. @lihentian you are half-correct that the mandatory subscription was successfully dropped from the game after a year... This was mainly for parity with the upcoming console release, as console players already have to pay a console subscription to play online, and then they'd have to pay a second subscription to play eso. You are correct that the mandatory subscription was dropped to make the game more accessible, but it wasn't to appease the PC players who'd subscribed since launch.

Cirantille

I'll be honest here
If there was no craft bag, I wouldn't sub
I don't care about small dlcs or dungeons
Even better, finally I wouldn't get them long story stuff in random normals

drakthir

The game is basically unplayable unsubbed because of the inventory management issues. Unless i give up on the idea of crafting/harvesting my own stuff.

The game at base shouldn't be an ugly mess and you have to pay to make it better

PC probably have it easier with all their inventory management addons aswell

As an xbox player i have to pay a subscription just to be able to play this game (xbox live) i have to pay for another subscription just so the game isn't ugly and then buy expansions/upgrades that are usually a bad deal, they dont even come with crowns or eso+ and they put all the nice cosmetics into crown crate gambling.

Honestly looking back at the previous games iv'e played and how they sold their game to customers ESO is super expensive to even play and then yeah all the nice stuff is lock behind money, not even i give you money you give me loot no you get a chance of loot.

snoozy

literally the number one reason why people sub. not gonna happen. dream on

Khenarthi

While I would love to buy a craftbag as a one-off, I also know that I would never sub again ever. So ultimately ZOS would lose a lot of revenue, because according to threads like these, there are a lot of people like me.

Unless of course the craft bag cost something silly, like 500€ or more. Then the sub would still be preferable. But I do not think the OP is proposing to spend more than, say, a year's worth of sub money on a craft bag...

For perspective - I've been playing since pre-launch in March 2014, with a few breaks. I have not always subscribed, but I have spent over 650€ in subscription costs alone over the course of 7 years (never mind buying the game and chapters). And my only real incentive to sub is the craft bag.

Edit to add: the game is not hard to play without a craft bag, but it does lose a lot of convenience if you need to keep popping up a banker (or running to a bank) to store materials. It is easier if all your characters are on the same crafting level as you will have less diversity of materials to worry about.

Those of us who have been playing for a long time remember when there were a lot more provisioning mats, there were no portable bankers or merchants, inventory juggling between bank alts was pretty much something everyone did... and the game was still enjoyable.

Mefromnorway

lihentian wrote: »

How about give craft bag to everyone, but only eso plus member can deposit anywhere. none eso plus player need to go to bank, and click depoit all craft material???

i mean there are more and more craft material in this game, crafting bag is no longer a convenient, it is simply a must have.

or i don't mind pay $100 to permanently unlock it, forcing sub will hurt population, i have many friend refuse to play a game that they need sub to do crafting.....

Only reason i pay member fee evry months is for craft bag. If craft bag free for evryone eso will loose so much money and it will never happen. People pay should have even more option then free players if you Ask me. So only run to bank.

Lady_Galadhiel

If they would take away the crafting bag the only people who would still pay for sub would be the housing community because of the double space for furniture.

Tandor

lihentian wrote: »

How about give craft bag to everyone, but only eso plus member can deposit anywhere. none eso plus player need to go to bank, and click depoit all craft material???

i mean there are more and more craft material in this game, crafting bag is no longer a convenient, it is simply a must have.

or i don't mind pay $100 to permanently unlock it, forcing sub will hurt population, i have many friend refuse to play a game that they need sub to do crafting.....

Then you need to point out to your friends that you don't need to sub in order to do crafting. It's perfectly doable without the crafting bag, you just need to adapt - the same as people who complain about the lack of inventory space because they are serial hoarders of stuff they'll never use, they just need to adapt.

It's like the way some players say the game is totally unplayable without addons - forgetting that addons are only available to one third of the playerbase (not all of whom use them) and that the other two thirds find the game perfectly playable without them.

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