How about give craft bag to everyone?

lihentian

How about give craft bag to everyone, but only eso plus member can deposit anywhere. none eso plus player need to go to bank, and click depoit all craft material???

i mean there are more and more craft material in this game, crafting bag is no longer a convenient, it is simply a must have.

or i don't mind pay $100 to permanently unlock it, forcing sub will hurt population, i have many friend refuse to play a game that they need sub to do crafting.....

SilverBride

There was already a thread about this.

If you want the Craft bag you need to subscribe.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/563378/craft-bag/p1

Vlad9425

If they gave the craft bag to everyone there would be no reason to sub so why would they even consider doing this.

XxCaLxX

Not gonna happen....yet. May happen in a few years or something but craft bag/double bank space is pretty much only reason players buy plus. $15 a month from majority of players is better than $100 from your friends that refuse to play the game.

lihentian

SilverBride wrote: »

There was already a thread about this.

If you want the Craft bag you need to subscribe.

why? simply give money not enough?? am not unwilling to pay, i just don't like the idea of sub. alot of people don't like. it is the reason why eso went from sub to pay to buy to play.

or are you arguing that none sub player don't spend much money?? with those $140 house and $25 house guest, we have plenty place to spend money in this game. Do we really need a sub at all??

SilverBride

lihentian wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

There was already a thread about this.

If you want the Craft bag you need to subscribe.

why? simply give money not enough?? am not unwilling to pay, i just don't like the idea of sub. alot of people don't like. it is the reason why eso went from sub to pay to buy to play.

or are you arguing that none sub player don't spend much money?? with those $140 house and $25 house guest, we have plenty place to spend money in this game. Do we really need a sub at all??

This has all been covered in the thread I linked.

lihentian

Vlad9425 wrote: »

If they gave the craft bag to everyone there would be no reason to sub so why would they even consider doing this.

like i said, eso plus can deposite anywhere, they can loot all they like. none eso player have to return to town, go to bank npc, click on deposit crafting material to a gain acess to crafting bag.

XxCaLxX wrote: »

Not gonna happen....yet. May happen in a few years or something but craft bag/double bank space is pretty much only reason players buy plus. $15 a month from majority of players is better than $100 from your friends that refuse to play the game.

it is simply cheaper to buy eso plus then crown, unless they were on sale.

SilverBride wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

There was already a thread about this.

If you want the Craft bag you need to subscribe.

why? simply give money not enough?? am not unwilling to pay, i just don't like the idea of sub. alot of people don't like. it is the reason why eso went from sub to pay to buy to play.

or are you arguing that none sub player don't spend much money?? with those $140 house and $25 house guest, we have plenty place to spend money in this game. Do we really need a sub at all??

This has all been covered in the thread I linked.

not convinced

The_Old_Goat

lihentian wrote: »

How about give craft bag to everyone, but only eso plus member can deposit anywhere. none eso plus player need to go to bank, and click depoit all craft material???

i mean there are more and more craft material in this game, crafting bag is no longer a convenient, it is simply a must have.

or i don't mind pay $100 to permanently unlock it, forcing sub will hurt population, i have many friend refuse to play a game that they need sub to do crafting.....

The craft bag being a eso+ perk for as many years as it's been around hasn't hurt the population yet.

SilverBride

lihentian wrote: »

not convinced

The craft bag is very convenient. That's the point. It's an incentive to get players to subscribe. It would be a very bad business decision to give it away for any one time cost.

lihentian

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

How about give craft bag to everyone, but only eso plus member can deposit anywhere. none eso plus player need to go to bank, and click depoit all craft material???

i mean there are more and more craft material in this game, crafting bag is no longer a convenient, it is simply a must have.

or i don't mind pay $100 to permanently unlock it, forcing sub will hurt population, i have many friend refuse to play a game that they need sub to do crafting.....

The craft bag being a eso+ perk for as many years as it's been around hasn't hurt the population yet.

First- eso came out as a pure sub game, you must buy then sub each month. which almost kill the game. it is already proven that not all player like to sub.

Second-none sub player do pay same if not more money on this game. we need to buy the dlc, crown pack for assistant, housing. it is not like buy to pay player are free looter

Third- did i ask for full access to crafting bag? no, i ask to be able to despite all material at bank. eso plus member still have a clear advantage.

fourth- the way they handle crown store, crate, and eso plus already driven huge chunk of player away.


p.s. i mean if Zos make it clear that we must sub to do crafting.. will that not hurt population?? are you sure it is not hurting the game??

Amottica

I did the math. It is significantly less expensive to buy all four DLCs in a year than it is to pay for ESO+ for the same year. When taking into account the recent sale on crowns (~40% off) and I understand DLCs go on most years then one can save significantly by avoiding the subscription.

As a new player who has is not interested in paying a subscription every month I appreciate the choice we have. In the end, the crafting bag would be very nice but I can see why they keep it as an exclusive to ESO+. We all make our choices and it seems Zenimax made theirs.

The real convenience is the storage space. It is a secondary convenience is the instant deposit. I think @SilverBride has spoken correctly here.

lihentian

SilverBride wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

not convinced

The craft bag is very convenient. That's the point. It's an incentive to get players to subscribe. It would be a very bad business decision to give it away for any one time cost.

did you read anything i wrote? am not asking for convenient.

convenient is able to loot all you like, it automatically goes to craft bag. what i ask for it mandatory

mandatory- you can only deposit material in to the craft bag at town bank npc. so none eso plus member still need to run to town all the time, but at least they have place to put all those cursed crafting material.

Brrrofski

It's never going to change.

Save yourself the energy and let it go.

Without craft bag, a lot would drop their subscription.

Sangwyne

This gets posted every month, what's the point? You could hold a poll of 10 thousand ESO players and even if every single last one voted for it, ZOS wouldn't suddenly change their mind on the crafting bag. It's the main selling feature of ESO+ and would cause them to hemorrhage subs and revenue.

Now, more Bank, Storage, or Player Inventory I could definitely get behind, and more importantly, so could ZOS-if there was sufficient incentive for them to do so. Make a post on that instead, please.

oddbasket

Why would self imposing a minor inconvenience persuade ZOS to diminish the biggest incentive to subscribe to ESO+?

Bobby_V_Rockit

I’d stop subbing the second they take away my craft bag access. I’m already annoyed that ESO+ makes me do DLC dungeons on the random finder, if I could cancel it AND buy the craft bag, I would in a heart beat. I imagine many casual subscribers would share that view and thus ZoS would lose a looooot of subscription fees.

I can see why they keep it exclusive and agree with their rationalisation.

SilverBride

lihentian wrote: »

did you read anything i wrote?

Yes I did, but it wasn't clear what you were asking for. I think I may have figured it out, though.

You want to buy the craft bag so you have unlimited storage without subscribing.
Subscribers mats would automatically store in the bag.
Nonsubscribers would have to go to the bank and manually move mats into the bag.

If this is what you are proposing then I still say no. You can't have the unlimited craft bag unless you subscribe. Not even with added restrictions.

kargen27

Subs are consistent mostly reliable revenue. Revenue that can be easily monitored and predicted. Crown store sales not so much. Having a reliable source of revenue shouldn't be underestimated.

ESO+ is a very good bargain compared to other types of entertainment. About the same cost of a movie once a month if you get popcorn and a drink. Or maybe three games of miniature golf. Four beers in a bar if you buy domestic. Or hours and hours of fun right in your own home playing a game.

oscarovegren

lihentian wrote: »

How about give craft bag to everyone, but only eso plus member can deposit anywhere. none eso plus player need to go to bank, and click depoit all craft material???

i mean there are more and more craft material in this game, crafting bag is no longer a convenient, it is simply a must have.

or i don't mind pay $100 to permanently unlock it, forcing sub will hurt population, i have many friend refuse to play a game that they need sub to do crafting.....

They need ESO+ subs to make profit. Craftbag is the biggest advantage of being a sub so why would they make it free? It´s all business

Gythral

3 starbucks --- ESO+

guess which makes most sense...

lihentian

SilverBride wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

did you read anything i wrote?

Yes I did, but it wasn't clear what you were asking for. I think I may have figured it out, though.

You want to buy the craft bag so you have unlimited storage without subscribing.
Subscribers mats would automatically store in the bag.
Nonsubscribers would have to go to the bank and manually move mats into the bag.

If this is what you are proposing then I still say no. You can't have the unlimited craft bag unless you subscribe. Not even with added restrictions.

nevermind, it seem people prefer p2w games.. oh well, not my loss

RPGplayer13579

I am open to the idea if ESO Plus members get something else instead. Any ideas?

SilverBride

No. We are not trading our craft bag for anything else.

lihentian

oscarovegren wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

How about give craft bag to everyone, but only eso plus member can deposit anywhere. none eso plus player need to go to bank, and click depoit all craft material???

i mean there are more and more craft material in this game, crafting bag is no longer a convenient, it is simply a must have.

or i don't mind pay $100 to permanently unlock it, forcing sub will hurt population, i have many friend refuse to play a game that they need sub to do crafting.....

They need ESO+ subs to make profit. Craftbag is the biggest advantage of being a sub so why would they make it free? It´s all business

They need eso+ sub to make profit??? a expansion each year, and 3 dlc. crown crate, sky-shard, furniture, assistant, housing... and much more.. is not enough, they had to make it P2W to drive away players to make profit.. never mind i see it now.

well good thing i have my personal guild for storage, so i could careless, just want to help new player like my friend who just rage quit. not my loss~~~

jm42

so all the people will cancel their eso+? seems like wise move from zos

Annuliel

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’d stop subbing the second they take away my craft bag access. I’m already annoyed that ESO+ makes me do DLC dungeons on the random finder, if I could cancel it AND buy the craft bag, I would in a heart beat. I imagine many casual subscribers would share that view and thus ZoS would lose a looooot of subscription fees.

I can see why they keep it exclusive and agree with their rationalisation.

I couldn't agree more.

I know that the OP isn't talking about taking away crafting bag access, but giving it to all, with the minor inconvenience of having to go to the bank if you're not subbed, but I would unsub and take the minor inconvenience to be honest.

I don't want access to the DLC dungeons, hence my never doing randoms, I would like it optional to take part in the DLC aspect of the dungeon finder, but that's another argument.

Although don't get me wrong I wouldn't be against getting it as standard, or even being able to buy it separately. The only thing I sub for is the crafting bag and this would remove the reason for me buying ESO+

Annuliel

lihentian wrote: »

nevermind, it seem people prefer p2w games.. oh well, not my loss

How is the crafting bag P2W? If I might ask, pay for convenience yes, but that's all it is.

lihentian

jm42 wrote: »

so all the people will cancel their eso+? seems like wise move from zos

actually it is a wise move from Zos, like they did five years ago. if Zos continue to enforce sub model, this game would be long dead. But now they are starting to going back, and with current cash shop and b2p model, it would be consider as P2W.

also just saying.. they would earn more make people live easier. they already came up with b2p model, sub should be convenient, not p2w. unable to craft is a huge deal for some new player.

jm42

lihentian wrote: »

this game would be long dead.

I hear that for all 3 years I play eso for all the specter of reasons

Zenzuki

Craft bag is p2w?

mmm ok.

Not being given thing is driving players away?

hmmm

Games been growing it's playerbase for years now!

And...

Friend ragequits and not your loss?

Did you like this friend?


And this thing about the game about died on birth thus they needed to kill the sub...

They dropped the sub right before the console release because they wanted the game to succeed on console and that userbase was already paying for "live and plus". They knew that huge player base was averse to anything that added a new paywall into the mix and with the sub, would have turned off all but the hardest-core elder scrolls fans.

It worked well for them and ESO got through it growing pains and is sitting as one of the current top mmo's active today.


Oh, and the craft bag is like .50 cents a day.
Pretty good value for an entertainment option.

lihentian

jm42 wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

this game would be long dead.

I hear that for all 3 years I play eso for all the specter of reasons

thats what happened about six and half years ago, when i first start this game. back then, there are no b2p model, everyone must sub to play.