companion in arena
stefj68
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if you gonna allow companion to be use in normal trial (maelstrom, vethereshan) so some people could be able to complete it... please consider opening it also for veterans "but disabling the leaderboard if you pop one"
i've been struggling for 2 years unable to beat up veteran... to much randomness an lags spikes... and now you gonna make it more easy for casuals... i consider myself casuals since i can't beat vet....
please allow companions, but disable leaderboards!
i've been struggling for 2 years unable to beat up veteran... to much randomness an lags spikes... and now you gonna make it more easy for casuals... i consider myself casuals since i can't beat vet....
please allow companions, but disable leaderboards!
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codierussell✭✭✭✭You cannot use companions even in normal arenas. The companion takes up a group spot for whatever you are doing therefore the instance wouldn't allow it. Also, from the sounds of it a companion wouldn't help you clear.4
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stefj68✭✭✭✭✭codierussell wrote: »You cannot use companions even in normal arenas. The companion takes up a group spot for whatever you are doing therefore the instance wouldn't allow it. Also, from the sounds of it a companion wouldn't help you clear.
if i remmeber they said you could use it in normal, but not veteranSolo Arenas: Companions are allowed in normal instances but in veteran instances only the player is allowed. This will help less experienced players experience the content while the rewards for soloing the arena (perfected) and leaderboard integrity are maintained.Edited by stefj68 on April 20, 2021 4:02AM0 -
KeiRaikon✭✭✭codierussell wrote: »You cannot use companions even in normal arenas. The companion takes up a group spot for whatever you are doing therefore the instance wouldn't allow it. Also, from the sounds of it a companion wouldn't help you clear.
if i remmeber they said you could use it in normal, but not veteran
Nope the two things Companions aren't allowed in are Solo Arenas (both normal and veteran) and PVP.2 -
stefj68✭✭✭✭✭codierussell wrote: »You cannot use companions even in normal arenas. The companion takes up a group spot for whatever you are doing therefore the instance wouldn't allow it. Also, from the sounds of it a companion wouldn't help you clear.
if i remmeber they said you could use it in normal, but not veteran
Nope the two things Companions aren't allowed in are Solo Arenas (both normal and veteran) and PVP.
quess i read wrong the huge companion post
my bad guess it was someone wishfull thinking post that confused me!
Edited by stefj68 on April 20, 2021 4:06AM0 -
Kurat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Companions cant do mechanics. Even if they allowed them in solo arenas, they would be dead most of the time and wouldn't help you anyway.1 -
virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭codierussell wrote: »You cannot use companions even in normal arenas. The companion takes up a group spot for whatever you are doing therefore the instance wouldn't allow it. Also, from the sounds of it a companion wouldn't help you clear.
if i remmeber they said you could use it in normal, but not veteran
Nope the two things Companions aren't allowed in are Solo Arenas (both normal and veteran) and PVP.
quess i read wrong the huge companion post
my bad guess it was someone wishfull thinking post that confused me!
That quote was from another poster’s opinion of how companions should work. It wasn’t from the devs saying how they will work.0 -
selig_fay✭✭✭hands0medevil wrote: »They are solo arenas for some reason.
I don't think it's a good idea to have a game that distributes people into roles and not be able to implement these roles in a specific place where specific weapons are obtained. Some people like single-player builds. Some don't. And I thought the companions could solve this problem for me. But someone decided that it was very funny to introduce companions only for open worlds and random normals so that the DPS would not stand waiting for a long time. Yes, cool, but it seems to me that they should work in the solo arena, because it's still not a live player anyway. I mean, it's very wrong that a healer can't pass the arena without creating another character.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Tbh. I do wonder if one will be able do normal group arenas with a companion, just to solo farm blue gear 🤔Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on April 20, 2021 1:18PM0 -
Alentarlixia✭✭✭✭I mean, it's very wrong that a healer can't pass the arena without creating another character.
You don't need to create another character.
Destructionstaff abilities, light armor.
Get two sets, respec, change your CP and you're done with it.
Depending on your class and skillspoints, you don't even have to respec.3 -
selig_fay✭✭✭I mean, it's very wrong that a healer can't pass the arena without creating another character.
You don't need to create another character.
Destructionstaff abilities, light armor.
Get two sets, respec, change your CP and you're done with it.
Depending on your class and skillspoints, you don't even have to respec.
You're basically just asking me to break my character just to get through the arena. This is the point of my words about creating another character, because it is much easier to have a separate character that is configured only for arenas, because your tank or healer will not be able to physically pass their veteran version of the dpscheck challenge.0 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I mean, it's very wrong that a healer can't pass the arena without creating another character.
You don't need to create another character.
Destructionstaff abilities, light armor.
Get two sets, respec, change your CP and you're done with it.
Depending on your class and skillspoints, you don't even have to respec.
You're basically just asking me to break my character just to get through the arena. This is the point of my words about creating another character, because it is much easier to have a separate character that is configured only for arenas, because your tank or healer will not be able to physically pass their veteran version of the dpscheck challenge.
It's your choice to lock yourself into a narrow playstyle. This game is designed to allow players to be flexible with their characters to complete all content. And if a player isn't willing to do that, they really don't deserve to complete all content.7 -
ajkb78✭✭✭✭✭hands0medevil wrote: »They are solo arenas for some reason.
I don't think it's a good idea to have a game that distributes people into roles and not be able to implement these roles in a specific place where specific weapons are obtained. Some people like single-player builds. Some don't. And I thought the companions could solve this problem for me. But someone decided that it was very funny to introduce companions only for open worlds and random normals so that the DPS would not stand waiting for a long time. Yes, cool, but it seems to me that they should work in the solo arena, because it's still not a live player anyway. I mean, it's very wrong that a healer can't pass the arena without creating another character.
Roles aren't supposed to be the be-all and end-all of this game. Roles are really very specifically for group activities but for solo content you need to be able to do a bit of everything. If you go into maelstrom with a pure healer setup or a pure tank setup you will fail because you can't do enough damage, but equally if you go in with a pure group dd setup with no self heal or tankiness you till very likely fail too, because things will kill you.
The whole idea of "this is my build and it's fixed in stone, and when I'm using it I can't do X content therefore the game is broken" is garbage. Even within tanking or healing you need to have different sets available for different groups and content. If you want to do pvp (to succeed at pvp anyway) you need a different setup. And if you want to do solo content you need a solo setup, a pure tank or healer setup won't do any better than a pure dd setup.
My main is a magsorc (usually). She's cleared every vet trial as a dd. Even within that role she uses a range of setups: siroria, false god, MS, medusa, zaan, grothdarr, domihaus, balorgh, ilambris and different skills on the skill bar depending on the content. With a change of gear (yolnakhriin, war machine, engine guardian, Encratis, powerful assault - whatever is needed), skillbars and attributes she tanks vet DLC dungeons. She also has every skill needed to heal anything (I don't do that very much simply because healing is my least favourite group role), again needing a change of gear (usually olorime and winter's respite), skillbars and attributes back to all magicka. I change the setup again if I take her into PVP (alfiq, ancient grace, trainee, engine guardian). And if I want to take her into VMA or VVH I change again, for my soloing setup I usually use PFG, MS or Medusa, pale order ring and 1 piece Domihaus, and a different skill bar to anything I'd use when being a dd, tank or healer in group content or in pvp.
I do have some other toons that are purely tanks, purely healers, purely group dds because that's all I ever use them for. I'm lazy and can't be bothered to farm extra skill points for them. And that's fine, I accept that by not being as flexible with their setup I can't just take any of them and do any content with them.
Bottom line if you're a pure tank or healer complaining about not being able to do maelstrom, it's not the content that's the problem, it's your character's lack of flexibility to set up appropriately for the content.3 -
The_Old_Goat✭✭✭✭✭
✭I mean, it's very wrong that a healer can't pass the arena without creating another character.
You don't need to create another character.
Destructionstaff abilities, light armor.
Get two sets, respec, change your CP and you're done with it.
Depending on your class and skillspoints, you don't even have to respec.
You're basically just asking me to break my character just to get through the arena. This is the point of my words about creating another character, because it is much easier to have a separate character that is configured only for arenas, because your tank or healer will not be able to physically pass their veteran version of the dpscheck challenge.
Don't think of it as "breaking" character instead think of it as embellishing her/his skill set.2 -
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✭✭✭You mention lag. Are you far from the servers?
I was unable to complete vMA for 3 years, but nowadays I don't find it a problem anymore. Deltia is back on YouTube and has put up some videos you may find useful. For a different approach, consider my stam DK:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=306920
Never mind the high end gear. The only things you really need are the Master's 2H weapon and Pale Order. The exact type of the weapon does not matter, nor does it need to be perfected. The rest of the gear needs to give you sustain and crit. The exact sets don't matter. In terms of survival: Brawler makes you tanky. I run 2 bars and a full rotation because I can, but you're actually more vulnerable when refreshing your buffs than when just spamming Brawler. The armor buffs (Volatile, Shuffle) are also a holdover from PvP for me and probably inefficient and not needed. I am pretty sure you could run a single-bar build as follows:
Brawler
Igneous Weapons
Resolving Vigor
Venomouys Claw
Noxious Breath
Dawnbreaker of Smiting
When on DK - I like this class for the arenas - a key point is to DOT up the boss while you deal with adds. It ensures you progress the fight. That's why I slotted both Breath and Claw. Use Crit / Health / Stamina potions with this version of the build.
I can't overstate how good Brawler plus Master's 2H is. The arenas will overwhelm you, if you get behind in damage. Brawler / Master's 2H compensates for that by upping both your damage and your shield when that happens. It's AOE, yet surpasses single-target spammables and even executes when you hit a lot of targets. It helps you deal with round 5 in vMA as it does with the "void comes for you" ring of shades in Vateshran. Just make sure you have enough sustain to keep Brawler going.0 -
selig_fay✭✭✭Bottom line if you're a pure tank or healer complaining about not being able to do maelstrom, it's not the content that's the problem, it's your character's lack of flexibility to set up appropriately for the content.
You're talking about flexibility. Good. I have several different characters, including dps. What if I want to pass not only solo dps, but also a tank or support or pure dps? Don't you think this will create a different experience?
I remind you that I'm not saying to make the arena easier, and I'm not saying that if you don't use a companion, arena should change for you. I'm just saying that it should support more than special builds and companions can help with that, even if you get some penalties because you use it.0 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bottom line if you're a pure tank or healer complaining about not being able to do maelstrom, it's not the content that's the problem, it's your character's lack of flexibility to set up appropriately for the content.
You're talking about flexibility. Good. I have several different characters, including dps. What if I want to pass not only solo dps, but also a tank or support or pure dps? Don't you think this will create a different experience?
I remind you that I'm not saying to make the arena easier, and I'm not saying that if you don't use a companion, arena should change for you. I'm just saying that it should support more than special builds and companions can help with that, even if you get some penalties because you use it.
Asking for companions to be available in Solo Arenas is literally asking to make the Arena easier.1 -
ajkb78✭✭✭✭✭Bottom line if you're a pure tank or healer complaining about not being able to do maelstrom, it's not the content that's the problem, it's your character's lack of flexibility to set up appropriately for the content.
You're talking about flexibility. Good. I have several different characters, including dps. What if I want to pass not only solo dps, but also a tank or support or pure dps? Don't you think this will create a different experience?
I remind you that I'm not saying to make the arena easier, and I'm not saying that if you don't use a companion, arena should change for you. I'm just saying that it should support more than special builds and companions can help with that, even if you get some penalties because you use it.
You're still saying "I want the content to be doable with my arbitrary choice of gear / skills". That's not how it works. It's different content, you need a different setup. I may as well say "what if I want to pass Sanctum Ophidia solo? Don't you think this will create a different experience?" Well yes, it would create the experience of getting pinned and killed by Ozara. It's designed for multiple players with defined roles; Maelstrom is designed to test solo players. You don't *have* to play it, just as I don't *have* to do the Dark Brotherhood sacraments which don't particularly appeal to me. (I don't expect companions will make those any easier either, for what it's worth.)0 -
Susurrus✭✭✭Hey OP,
I can help you with Maelstrom if you want.
Depending on your class, you can probably do a 1 bar VMA setup. Won't break any records, but you'll get it done. If you're going for the staff, you don't need vMA anyway as the penetration stat isn't useful.
Additionally, if you have the DLC, pale order makes the arena much easier and the gaze of sithis will make it easier still I think.0 -
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✭✭✭You may find video evidence of my Brawler stam DK doing vMA and vVateshran in the below threads. While there is no substitute for muddling through vMA to gain experience and find your own solutions to the mechanics, I find my current build has by far the best combination of damage and tankiness (and sustain) I have ever played. I'm not convinced you could do better with a build that just heals. Certainly my stam DK feels tankier and safer than my magplar, who spams Puncturing Sweeps, while also doing more damage where it counts. Sweeps may have the edge in single-target damage, but Master's Brawler hits everything hard, which is especially valuable in the final vVateshran fight. You haven't mentioned your class, but this approach could be used on all stamina classes. That said, I think it suits DK particularly well.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/570837/video-vma-with-brawler-stam-dk-no-death-no-sigils/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/570773/video-vvateshran-with-brawler-stam-dk-no-death-no-sigils-speed-run/p10 -
stefj68✭✭✭✭✭im from montreal, its 10h43 pm, i am in malstrom arena... 193fps 443ms
i was at 153ms in vv before porting to maelstrom
on vet im stuck on the poison purge phase... i have a 7 hours run to get there... everythings is fine then i often get a lag spike in the 2-4k then it come back and iam dead ... that phase their is too much randomness where stuff spawn... took me a while to pass up the spiders and the pillars, but this arena is really painful lol...
i should try doing it around 4am eastern... might be less player less lag... i have a 1gb in/out with 5ms ping to texas university
so not sure where that lag came from
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I mean, it's very wrong that a healer can't pass the arena without creating another character.[/quote]
Well, as a support your sets and skills are not fixed in stone anyway. In some content you might wear RO and jorvuld's, in others SPC and hollowfang or worms or even Martial Knowledge and zen. Skills like circle of protection, bone shield, altar, purge, ele drain are not on your bar all the time, but are slotted when content requires it. Just think of vma as another type of content that you need to change sets and skills for. If it were easy on a fully specced healer it would be trivial on a dd spec so that argument doesn't hold water I'm afraid.0 -
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Then don't do vet? There's a separation between normal and vet for a reason. And since now all arenas drop non-perfected weapons, you don't even need to do vet because you won't be able to get advantage of perfected version bonusesi consider myself casuals since i can't beat vet....0
