Will companions know dungeon mechanics?

penguin_zombies

Just wondering if this is confirmed or not, but for dungeons that specifically require at least to people to do a mechanic, have ZOS confirmed whether the companion AI will be able to do dungeon mechanics?

KhajiitLivesMatter

penguin_zombies wrote: »

Just wondering if this is confirmed or not, but for dungeons that specifically require at least to people to do a mechanic, have ZOS confirmed whether the companion AI will be able to do dungeon mechanics?

wait for patchnotes

VaranisArano

The answer on the talk they gave was "No" but I guess we'll have to see how it works out on PTS.

I mean, I would hope that my companion can stand on the pressure plate in Direfrost Keep. But I'm guessing you were thinking of more involved mechanics?

virtus753

VaranisArano wrote: »

The answer on the talk they gave was "No" but I guess we'll have to see how it works out on PTS.

I mean, I would hope that my companion can stand on the pressure plate in Direfrost Keep. But I'm guessing you were thinking of more involved mechanics?

The fact they can’t activate the portals in AA makes me despair a bit about Direfrost...

majulook

VaranisArano wrote: »

The answer on the talk they gave was "No" but I guess we'll have to see how it works out on PTS.

I mean, I would hope that my companion can stand on the pressure plate in Direfrost Keep. But I'm guessing you were thinking of more involved mechanics?

It was said that they do not know nor can learn mechanics, and cannot use the portals in Aetherian Archive.

But... There is always hope.

penguin_zombies

VaranisArano wrote: »

The answer on the talk they gave was "No" but I guess we'll have to see how it works out on PTS.

I mean, I would hope that my companion can stand on the pressure plate in Direfrost Keep. But I'm guessing you were thinking of more involved mechanics?

Even basic ones like the pressure plates in Direfrost would be nice. I can understand more involved mechanics not having the AI for but I hope this'll finally allow me to solo Direkeep.

Bradyfjord

I can't imagine that these followers are going to be reliable for that. Especially 'click node' encounters will probably still need players to click them correctly.

Gythral

no
We'll be lucky if they know which way is UP

They will be copy & paste from existing 'quest' hinderancescompanions


Please, Please ZOS prove me wrong!

DaveMoeDee

They should not know mechanics. That would require too much development effort. But you should be able to tell them where to stand, which would solve the pressure plate issue.

Bradyfjord

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

They should not know mechanics. That would require too much development effort. But you should be able to tell them where to stand, which would solve the pressure plate issue.

I'd also like to see a 'tactics' setting in dialogue somehow. So I can have them stay at range, or melee, for example.

DMuehlhausen

I don't think they should even be usable in dungeons.

Why do that? Honestly just rebrand this TES 6 at that point.

Honestly why do so many people come to play an MMO and then want everything put in that makes it so you don't have to interact. There are literally other Elder Scrolls titles you can play for that experience.

I'm fine with them for soloing overland content and stuff, but things that require a group they shouldn't work.

VaranisArano

From the patch notes: "Companions will also attempt to block incoming heavy attacks, interrupt some abilities and break free from crowd control effects. However, their timing is not always perfect, and they do have a cooldown between uses of these actions."

I'm hoping the cooldown is pretty quick for tanking purposes.

Thechuckage

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

They should not know mechanics. That would require too much development effort. But you should be able to tell them where to stand, which would solve the pressure plate issue.

Reasonably that is the most anyone should expect from companions. A simple aggression status - passive, guard me, attack everything coupled with tank/heals/dps stances of melee and ranged should cover all the needed bases.

Anything more and you need a live player to perform tasks.

AcadianPaladin

It seems reasonable that companions could have (or be changed to have in the future) a 'wait right here' ability. I can think of several situations where that could be handy - to include leading them onto one of the Direfrost pressure plates and asking them to 'wait right here'.

It sounds a bridge too far to have them react properly to complex dungeon mechanics - even my elf can't reliably do that.

SammyKhajit

Found this preview on companions and seems like they won’t know https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Companions

DMuehlhausen

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

They should not know mechanics. That would require too much development effort. But you should be able to tell them where to stand, which would solve the pressure plate issue.

So you're saying they can only be DD in dungeons.....

crjs1

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

I don't think they should even be usable in dungeons.

Why do that? Honestly just rebrand this TES 6 at that point.

Honestly why do so many people come to play an MMO and then want everything put in that makes it so you don't have to interact. There are literally other Elder Scrolls titles you can play for that experience.

I'm fine with them for soloing overland content and stuff, but things that require a group they shouldn't work.

ESO has always (thankfully) been a MMORPG rather than just a MMO. I don’t get why people get bothered by players wanting to solo. For me I like dungeons and a touch of PvP but 90% of time is soloing - questing and exploring. Where I can I like to solo dungeons and would love if companions made that easier! Having greater choice for dungeons is only a good thing. And anyway it’s pretty clear companions are in no way going to have the DPS or ai to replace players.

Why would I play another elder scrolls game? ESO has many advantages compared to replaying Skyrim for the 100th time - it’s huge, we get to experience the whole of Tamriel.

virtus753

crjs1 wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

I don't think they should even be usable in dungeons.

Why do that? Honestly just rebrand this TES 6 at that point.

Honestly why do so many people come to play an MMO and then want everything put in that makes it so you don't have to interact. There are literally other Elder Scrolls titles you can play for that experience.

I'm fine with them for soloing overland content and stuff, but things that require a group they shouldn't work.

ESO has always (thankfully) been a MMORPG rather than just a MMO. I don’t get why people get bothered by players wanting to solo. For me I like dungeons and a touch of PvP but 90% of time is soloing - questing and exploring. Where I can I like to solo dungeons and would love if companions made that easier! Having greater choice for dungeons is only a good thing. And anyway it’s pretty clear companions are in no way going to have the DPS or ai to replace players.

Why would I play another elder scrolls game? ESO has many advantages compared to replaying Skyrim for the 100th time - it’s huge, we get to experience the whole of Tamriel.

Even more to your point — it started off life as an “online RPG” with Matt Firor expressly rejecting the MMO label. Now the staff do endorse the MMO part as well, without rejecting the RPG bit.

AcadianPaladin

ESO absolutely dwarfs both Skyrim and Oblivion combined when it comes to mass and scale. That is why this soloist prefers ESO to the single player ES games. The game was marketed (and still is) to soloists as much as it is to group raiders. The fact that I solo does not hurt the experience of those who prefer to group one bit. It is a huge game and there is plenty for both soloists and group players to enjoy.

zaria

As I understand companions can not use the pressure plates in AA, and yes that trial is annoying.
Once a guild was doing an streak of normal trials and against my advice they did AA last and someone dropped out and it was late at night so it was hard to get randoms.
We shanghaied an lvl 20 to join as he would get some stuff, dps was not an issue we burned MoL but the poor guy was a bit shell chocked, I doubt he done dolmen zergs or similar not to talk about group dungons.

crjs1

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

ESO absolutely dwarfs both Skyrim and Oblivion combined when it comes to mass and scale. That is why this soloist prefers ESO to the single player ES games. The game was marketed (and still is) to soloists as much as it is to group raiders. The fact that I solo does not hurt the experience of those who prefer to group one bit. It is a huge game and there is plenty for both soloists and group players to enjoy.

This times 10000%

ccfeeling

100% no

ShawnLaRock

Lol Black Drake Villa <face palm>

S.

Flamebait

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

I don't think they should even be usable in dungeons.

Why do that? Honestly just rebrand this TES 6 at that point.

Honestly why do so many people come to play an MMO and then want everything put in that makes it so you don't have to interact. There are literally other Elder Scrolls titles you can play for that experience.

I'm fine with them for soloing overland content and stuff, but things that require a group they shouldn't work.

I am here simply because I like the size, scale and changing nature of the game. Also I can talk with my guild and friends any time I want to in chat and buy and sell with other players. I have a lot of social interaction in this game I don't overly see how forcing me to spend 15 minutes with a random group of people that I don't talk to or care about is going to change anything for this being an MMO. How is it that people are still not able to understand that being an MMORPG does not mean forcing people to group but rather allowing them to be social while playing a game.

SirAndy

My Sorc can command its pet(s) to go somewhere specific, so why not the new human looking pets?

Shouldn't really be any more difficult to implement a simple "go here" command.
At least that would solve the Direfrost Keep issue.

Linaleah

Thechuckage wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

They should not know mechanics. That would require too much development effort. But you should be able to tell them where to stand, which would solve the pressure plate issue.

Reasonably that is the most anyone should expect from companions. A simple aggression status - passive, guard me, attack everything coupled with tank/heals/dps stances of melee and ranged should cover all the needed bases.

Anything more and you need a live player to perform tasks.

I'm very sorry I'm about to bring up the games that shall not be named... but...

in swtor I can actualy direct companions to use specific skills at specific time by manually using them. I can tell them where to go, where to stand and what to use when should i chose to. I can make some skills autocast and some skills manual cast which allows me to time interrupts, etc. I can set them to defensive mode (where they attack whatever attacked me), assist (when they attack whatever target i have attacked) or passive where I can among other things direct them at a specific mob that they will stick to and then go back to passive once its dead.

in WoW i can do the same with my pets on my pet classes.

notice that all of those actions are manually controlled by me. but.. I do have an option to actualy control those actions. all I want from companion AI in ESO... is to have that option to set tactics or to manually control them to time them better. that's it. is it really too much to ask?

Anonx31st

No, and they never should. Companions are a supplementation to the game, not a replacement for real players in an MMO.

Seraphayel

This game has the worst pet AI and UI of any MMORPG I know (and I know a lot) and you think they can stand on tiles or do mechanics? lol

Lysette

As far as i got it from review videos, companions will not even avoid standing in red - so don't expect too much with them. i see companions more from a role play perspective - much like the companions in Fallout 4 for example - all of them had interesting stories and after being a while with them and on good terms, they opened up and asked you for a personal favor, a special quest - and due to their personality, one could really get attached to them.

Were they helpful in combat - hm, somewhat, but often they blew my approach or did something silly otherwise. Like Piper, she wants to sit down, whenever I stand still for a little while - unfortunately when I approached a raider camp, I didn't go in stealth, but had a break standing - and what does Piper do?- She discovers a chair in the raider camp and walks straight into the camp to sit down - and blew it - companions can be fun, by these reasons, less because they would be helpful in combat.

danno8

As of right now it appears companions can't tell their left from right, never mind dungeon mechanics, lol.

Mahabahabtha

No, dont waste Money..