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What makes a fake tank fake?
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cynicalbutterfly✭✭✭✭BejaProphet wrote: »Not the point of the thread, but...
I truly believe that in the presence of a good group a tank chaining, stacking and keeping group still does way more for team DPS than a DD with a taunt will.
Not when a DD is channelling heavy lightning attacks, fire off 3 silver shards in a row, then a Jesus beam at 80% health, drop their ultimate 20 foot away from the boss and then stand in an aoe and die.
My former healer is cringing at this. I can't tell you how many people I've seen do exactly this type of thing LOL1 -
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✭✭✭✭cynicalbutterfly wrote: »BejaProphet wrote: »Not the point of the thread, but...
I truly believe that in the presence of a good group a tank chaining, stacking and keeping group still does way more for team DPS than a DD with a taunt will.
Not when a DD is channelling heavy lightning attacks, fire off 3 silver shards in a row, then a Jesus beam at 80% health, drop their ultimate 20 foot away from the boss and then stand in an aoe and die.
My former healer is cringing at this. I can't tell you how many people I've seen do exactly this type of thing LOL
Yeh way too many people so.
And I'm not having a go at them, but I'm not going to stand around on a 50k health tank and do nothing for 15 mins on the first boss in fungal gotto one because the two damage dudes are doing this.0 -
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✭BejaProphet wrote: »Not the point of the thread, but...
I truly believe that in the presence of a good group a tank chaining, stacking and keeping group still does way more for team DPS than a DD with a taunt will.
Not when a DD is channelling heavy lightning attacks, fire off 3 silver shards in a row, then a Jesus beam at 80% health, drop their ultimate 20 foot away from the boss and then stand in an aoe and die.
I can give them all the warhorns in the world, but major force applied to a skill hitting for about 478 damage crit is not doing way more than I can do while doing DPS.
I had a group of CP 170 - 530 in NORMAL darkshade 2 the other day. They all died on the last boss from the poison. Including the healer. Not poking fun or anything, but then what do I do as a full on tank? Res them to die at next poison wave?
No thanks. I'll taunt the big stuff and keep my dps. Sorry I'm not stacking them together for people to just use single target skills on them anyway.
Sorry to the actual DPS that would benefit from those things, but I ain't taking the risk.
If you look at my post I was pretty careful to refer to a competent group.Royal Poet's Dungeon Tanking Guide https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416797/royal-poets-guide-to-traditional-tanking-in-veteran-dungeons#latest0 -
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✭colossalvoids wrote: »This thread made me feel better lol. I was never queueing as a tank before the last update so kinda felt like cheating the queue but I guess no one really cares if I'm just pale order DD with inner rage and silver leash.
The only other thing you really need IMHO for basic tanking is to to at least get major breach on the bigger targets. Plenty of sources for that available.
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✭✭I've always considered a fake tank someone who doesn't have the gear or full tank skills setup but runs in dps gear with a taunt. They deal with agro but don't offer everything extra a tank gives, but makes up for it with damage.PC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden0 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LOL. I am new here but I think I have seen a few tanks. Last night I had agro most of the time in one boss fight. I commented afterward that someone needs to tell the bosses I am not the tank. After another player commented they can invite a tank to the group the fake tank asked if they would like to see their DPS ( I guess they have the means to see everyone's dps).
Just before the final boss we vote kicked the fake tank. I suppose it was more because of their jerk statement than being fake.2 -
Merforum✭✭✭✭✭Mostly when someone says a fake tank it is someone who is DPS or PVPer who thinks that are too good to wait in queue for DPS and just want the massive XP and transmutes you get for daily random. The really bad ones not only don't have a taunt, they don't know the mechanics and treat every dungeon like an XP grind. But don't realize all the adds don't just pile up like regular grinds so you can nuke them all in a corner.
This isn't just fake tanks, fake DPS who are impatient do the same thing. After years of tanking, and being able to quickly go from one trash pack to the next, pulling everything into a pile and having the team drop literally 2 aoes each and kill the whole pile in one rotation. Now I got these ? saying the piles should be bigger and running past me thinking they can be more efficient and just scattering adds all over the place that the rest of the team has to chase and kill one by one.
I think there is a massive amount of impatient toxic people who got all their experience doing shortcuts like XP grinds, and don't care about mechanics or other people at all. They just want XP, gear, transmutes, so they can get back to cyro, BG or trial dummy and brag about how great their DPS is. But don't want to really have fun, experience the game, or interact with anyone in a positive way.
And actually it is so easy, for any stam DPS you have just put on leeching, azureblight, slot inner fire, pierce armor, silver leash, caltrops. And you can do all the taunting, pulling and even explode rooms of adds. Simple really, any boss who has conal aoe/heavy taunt then point away from team. Pull all ranged adds into pile. Ranged taunt melee adds to come to you (DPS let adds get piled up then drop aoes). DPS/Healer if monster aggros on you don't run around room, bring to tank pile so they can taunt and take off you. Following a few simple techniques can make all dungeon encounters pretty easy actually.
BTW anyone who is interested in learning how to tank and mechanics should check out Xynodegaming. He is the only streamer/youtuber I've seen who has the balls to constantly do Vet random dungeons and DLCs with pugs and teaches a lot about tanking and other things.
Or some of us have done Spindleclutch one 6843974 times and don't want to pull 4 adds at a time.
Why is it toxic because I want something done quickly? People overuse the word toxic waaaaay too much.
Like I said anyone can use leeching and azureblight on any stam toon, with a few skills above and do 8K DPS on most bosses and massive DPS on piles of adds. My highest was in the area just before engine guardian, I got 78K DPS on that massive bunch, basically I can solo that whole thing on normal. I don't even go max health, just put 20 points there and can still do all normal dungeons even DLCs.
I can also convert any of my mag toons from DPS to healer with just a change of gear/skills. I think everyone is pretty tolerant of people who are making a minimal effort. It's only the ones that make no effort at all at playing their proper role that are toxic, then trying to justify their bad behavior on forum that makes people annoyed.
I can't wait for my 20K DPS 'companion' to do dungeons with and hopefully they will let me have 3 companions or 12 so I can do all content dungeons and trials without having to deal with incompetent or toxic people.0 -
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✭I Tank PUG groups in normal all the time, so longs you hold taunt you are not a fake tank. I play a Stamplar so will also use Silver Leash to group the mobs up but I don't have any CC skills so I cant be as effective as a hybrid tank dps as I like but I know I hold aggro and don't die so I'm all good!
My DPS as Tank is usually around 60% of the group damage as well so the group rarely say anything.PERTH, AUSTRALIA | PC | NA | @Aussie-Elders
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Xuhora✭✭✭✭✭in my book the bare minimum a tank has to do is hold aggro and stand still. if you do that i dont consider you a fake tank. but i also do not consider you a good tank, but thats not necessary in normal randoms.
next step would be to not taunt with inner rage but with puncture, as that provides major and minor breach, so things fall faster
one step further would be you equip something that provides a benefit for me, i.e. powerfull assault, kinra, alkosh
the final step then would be to be an actual good tank who combines everything: taunting, chaining, debuffing and buffing.0 -
ajkb78✭✭✭✭✭BejaProphet wrote: »So my daughter wants to do ESO dungeons with me. I’m thrilled. I’m doing a dungeon with her. Period. I want her to have the best experience possible because I want her to love it.
After thinking about all that can go wrong in dungeon finder, and the best way to head it all off, I actually decide to do something I’ve always been against. I queued as a fake tank.
If I went in my serious tank set up it could expose how little she contributed. I didn’t want the group to be mean to her because she couldn’t DPS on her level 10 sorc, and I didn’t want a tank who would let her die due to being a fake tank who would not protect her. So I took my DD set up (which is pretty tanky because it is my tank in all damage gear, food, mundus, and skills), and I just threw inner fire on my bar.
It went wonderfully. I was the highest damage dealer both runs, so we had a great pace. I taunted bosses and anything that I knew I didn’t want pounding on my kid. Nothing could kill me cuz I’m still tanky and using vigor and brawler. But the grouping was trash and I mostly just did damage.
But then I ask myself? Was I a fake tank, or a real one? I did take the dangerous targets after all.
So what makes a tank fake? Was what I did bad when it was motivated by giving others the best run possible?
You weren't a fake tank. You held taunt, didn't die and improved the group's overall damage. That's the job of a tank in a nutshell. I do the same on my magsorc sometimes, though I do have enough skill points on her that I can turn her into a full tank if I feel like serious sorc tanking.
Fake tanks generally don't bring a taunt, and are themselves the ones who end up dying the most for lack of a tank.2 -
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✭✭Fake tank for most is someone who doesn't hold aggro.
Taunt boss and big adds that hit hard and don't die. Nobody cares beyond that.
I have a few characters setup as essentially DPS but with chunky health and a taunt. Nobody has ever said anything.
This one is the clincher for me. If you can't even hold aggro you're not a tank, end of. Beyond that we can discuss if they're fake, bad or simply ignorant.
Not just hold aggro but hold it in one place. If everything is chasing you around the room, it makes dungeons so much harder.5 -
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Or some of us have done Spindleclutch one 6843974 times and don't want to pull 4 adds at a time.
Why is it toxic because I want something done quickly? People overuse the word toxic waaaaay too much.
Such comment I don’t understand at all. I am not such badass like you. I did all dungeons only hundred times, but a can clear mobs from room in normal easy dungeons during 2 second and difficult 5 second (with my DPSs). Elite mobs are exception, the take one or two shoot more.
So, if you are soooooo good, you should be able do it during run, shouldn’t you?PvP - Recruit.
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INe_Saninus✭✭✭BejaProphet wrote: »INe_Saninus wrote: »On a normal dungeon?
Not having a taunt to hold the boss in place and not having enough health/resist to keep it in place.
That's really it.
Like, seriously. I don't care what else you're doing. What class you are. Hell, bring those deeps! Let's get through this quickly and efficiently.
On vet?
That's a whole other story. You'd better be the real deal.
...but I don't play vet with randoms.
Why would you?!
...and if I do (again, why would I do this?) I have zero expectations and am usually still let down.
I'll wait for a buddy to get on. 2 of us can usually pull 2 randoms through.
...and one of us usually tanks! Lol
Vet DLC dungeons are too challenging for a random group.
I enjoy pug tanking vet DLCs
Well, bless you, sir.
That life ain't for me.
My buddy and I actually started the game as a tank and healer.
After realizing that most randoms have about 8k dps, we switched over to dps.
It's easier to get through a vet with amazing DPS and mediocre tank/healer than it is with an amazing tank/healer and mediocre dps in my experience.2 -
Merforum✭✭✭✭✭Elendir2am wrote: »
Or some of us have done Spindleclutch one 6843974 times and don't want to pull 4 adds at a time.
Why is it toxic because I want something done quickly? People overuse the word toxic waaaaay too much.
Such comment I don’t understand at all. I am not such badass like you. I did all dungeons only hundred times, but a can clear mobs from room in normal easy dungeons during 2 second and difficult 5 second (with my DPSs). Elite mobs are exception, the take one or two shoot more.
So, if you are soooooo good, you should be able do it during run, shouldn’t you?
Exactly, I pug normals all the time literally did CoH1 over 100 times for real. But this is a pathetic excuse for bad behavior. But ZOS could end fake tank, fake DPS and fake healing over night if that wanted to.
Anyone who fails these tests does NOT get 100K XP or any transmutes on random normal (or vet with higher standards)
1. Tank role who doesn't have taunt and/or doesn't use it at least a few times on several bosses, because you can't go by health or just having skills on bar, you have to make sure they use them minimally
2. Healer role who doesn't have heals and/or doesn't use heal skills 10-20% of the time
3. DPS role who doesn't do 10K DPS on bosses
You would exclude anyone under level 50 because they might be a beginner and their rewards are already reduced (maybe even anyone up to CP300 would not be included). Also anyone who queues for random and gets put in DLC then QUITS, should lose 100K/transmute bonus, in all cases they should still get the 30K plus base reward but not the full daily rewards. And in Vet dungeons same thing but higher requirements. These bad actors will never stop doing what they are doing to ruin GF, they must be disincentivized from doing their toxic behavior.0 -
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✭INe_Saninus wrote: »BejaProphet wrote: »INe_Saninus wrote: »On a normal dungeon?
Not having a taunt to hold the boss in place and not having enough health/resist to keep it in place.
That's really it.
Like, seriously. I don't care what else you're doing. What class you are. Hell, bring those deeps! Let's get through this quickly and efficiently.
On vet?
That's a whole other story. You'd better be the real deal.
...but I don't play vet with randoms.
Why would you?!
...and if I do (again, why would I do this?) I have zero expectations and am usually still let down.
I'll wait for a buddy to get on. 2 of us can usually pull 2 randoms through.
...and one of us usually tanks! Lol
Vet DLC dungeons are too challenging for a random group.
I enjoy pug tanking vet DLCs
Well, bless you, sir.
That life ain't for me.
My buddy and I actually started the game as a tank and healer.
After realizing that most randoms have about 8k dps, we switched over to dps.
It's easier to get through a vet with amazing DPS and mediocre tank/healer than it is with an amazing tank/healer and mediocre dps in my experience.
You are right about how crippling bad DD’s can be. But I fi d vet DLCs usually scare those off.Royal Poet's Dungeon Tanking Guide https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416797/royal-poets-guide-to-traditional-tanking-in-veteran-dungeons#latest2 -
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✭BejaProphet wrote: »So my daughter wants to do ESO dungeons with me. I’m thrilled. I’m doing a dungeon with her. Period. I want her to have the best experience possible because I want her to love it.
After thinking about all that can go wrong in dungeon finder, and the best way to head it all off, I actually decide to do something I’ve always been against. I queued as a fake tank.
If I went in my serious tank set up it could expose how little she contributed. I didn’t want the group to be mean to her because she couldn’t DPS on her level 10 sorc, and I didn’t want a tank who would let her die due to being a fake tank who would not protect her. So I took my DD set up (which is pretty tanky because it is my tank in all damage gear, food, mundus, and skills), and I just threw inner fire on my bar.
It went wonderfully. I was the highest damage dealer both runs, so we had a great pace. I taunted bosses and anything that I knew I didn’t want pounding on my kid. Nothing could kill me cuz I’m still tanky and using vigor and brawler. But the grouping was trash and I mostly just did damage.
But then I ask myself? Was I a fake tank, or a real one? I did take the dangerous targets after all.
So what makes a tank fake? Was what I did bad when it was motivated by giving others the best run possible?
Fake tanks don't have a taunt, or can't hold the bosses aggro if/when they do taunt (I.E., they're too squishy). Even if you can hold aggro, but you can't keep the boss planted in one position (i.e., your kite tanking) that pisses off the DPS too because they're expending resources/ultimate on AoE damage abilities that have minimal effect because the boss is moving too much. So long as you can hold aggro and keep the boss reasonably still (and do basic bash mechanics), I don't think most people care whether you are REALLY a tank or not in normal dungeons.
For me, In most dungeons, I'm usually happy to see some fake tanks/healers. That generally means it is going to be a fast run, which is all I care about on normal.1 -
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✭✭BejaProphet wrote: »INe_Saninus wrote: »BejaProphet wrote: »INe_Saninus wrote: »On a normal dungeon?
Not having a taunt to hold the boss in place and not having enough health/resist to keep it in place.
That's really it.
Like, seriously. I don't care what else you're doing. What class you are. Hell, bring those deeps! Let's get through this quickly and efficiently.
On vet?
That's a whole other story. You'd better be the real deal.
...but I don't play vet with randoms.
Why would you?!
...and if I do (again, why would I do this?) I have zero expectations and am usually still let down.
I'll wait for a buddy to get on. 2 of us can usually pull 2 randoms through.
...and one of us usually tanks! Lol
Vet DLC dungeons are too challenging for a random group.
I enjoy pug tanking vet DLCs
Well, bless you, sir.
That life ain't for me.
My buddy and I actually started the game as a tank and healer.
After realizing that most randoms have about 8k dps, we switched over to dps.
It's easier to get through a vet with amazing DPS and mediocre tank/healer than it is with an amazing tank/healer and mediocre dps in my experience.
You are right about how crippling bad DD’s can be. But I fi d vet DLCs usually scare those off.
I agree. Theyre about the only dungeons that I'm willing to PUG as a tank.
As for the original question, its a bit of a moving target. If you have the tools and perform the function for that content, then its not fake. In normals its not terribly difficult to do the job and to be honest, I feel like some of the buffs are wasted.
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✭✭I just wanted to point out that "needs to hold still" demand. While most bosses can be held still there are many that can't. I've been called out by pugs who dont know mechs. When I first started tanking I received hate from several groups in Darkshade 1 last boss, when he does his spinning and chases random player. Also Frostvault 1st boss, he jumps on people and punches them in air, also Scalecaller last boss just to name few. Just last week some inexperienced pug raged on me in vHRC last boss when he kept jumping on people because they stayed too far lol.
People who demand real tanks or judge them, make sure you know the fight before you criticize. Or make your own tank and serve salty pugs.2 -
Elendir2am✭✭✭✭I just wanted to point out that "needs to hold still" demand. While most bosses can be held still there are many that can't. I've been called out by pugs who dont know mechs. When I first started tanking I received hate from several groups in Darkshade 1 last boss, when he does his spinning and chases random player. Also Frostvault 1st boss, he jumps on people and punches them in air, also Scalecaller last boss just to name few. Just last week some inexperienced pug raged on me in vHRC last boss when he kept jumping on people because they stayed too far lol.
People who demand real tanks or judge them, make sure you know the fight before you criticize. Or make your own tank and serve salty pugs.
The players should first get acquainted with all the mechanics, try all the roles in the group, and then they can criticize. For some people, the less they know and the more they think about themselves only, the more critical they are of others.
I've never encountered such criticism, but in cause of fight with “Sellistrix the Lamia Queen”, I expect it every time. The frequentness with which she uses ability “New Target” are annoying.
I don’t have any problem with her as DPS, but as tank …PvP - Recruit.
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Khaleer✭✭Tank, Healer, DD... In random groups it's all about "getting the job done" No one cares about more.1
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✭A fake tank is a monkey.
Jumping, Screeching and flinging his own metabolism end product at people, who call them out.If anyone here says: OH! But, PVP! I swear I'll ...
Thank you for the valuable input and respectfully recommend to discuss that aspect of ESO on the PVP forum.1 -
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✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »A fake tank is a monkey.
Jumping, Screeching and flinging his own metabolism end product at people, who call them out.
😱. I’ve seen those people!! I always thought they were mud balls though 😔Royal Poet's Dungeon Tanking Guide https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416797/royal-poets-guide-to-traditional-tanking-in-veteran-dungeons#latest0 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you had inner fire, you were absolutely fine; I do that as well when I don't have time to wait, and for normal dungeons it's the best combo because you do damage *and* hold aggro so the boss doesn't move out of ground aoe's. I'm personally always happy to get a dd with taunt in the group for my random runs. You could also do that for most vets if you know what you are doing, and have a good group, but the difference there is that for vet you do want extra stuff for being an actual tank besides taunt, mainly a crowd control and chain, so that adds will die faster, since the mobs are hardier in vet and if they are spread it will take more time, unlike normal where they die with two shots.0 -
AvalonRanger✭✭✭✭✭Die many times easily by weak attack, and no taunt= fake tank.
Simple enough. Don't come to Vet dungeon with fake tank role,
please normal dungeon only.
But I think people should not say "you're fake" against lower level tank player (below CP300).
I think It's a nonsense complaining. If you're skillful player, must support trainee tank.My playing time Mon-Friday UTC13:00-16:00 [PC-NA] CP over2000 now.
I have [1Tough tank] [1StamSorc-DD] [1Necro-DD] [1Real Healer]
with [1Stam Blade].
But, I'm Tank main player. Recently I'm doing Healer.
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By the way...Dungeon-Meshi(One of Famous Japanese fantasy story comic book) got finale...
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AvalonRanger✭✭✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »A fake tank is a monkey.
Jumping, Screeching and flinging his own metabolism end product at people, who call them out.
I don't want to say like that
....but decent tank player is very responsible and serious person mostly. 
Because they keep caring situation control in combat. Tank is a very stressful role and no fun. Without gentle
heart and serious mind, you can't carry such a big burden.
I build new DPS character from year 2022. Being DPS is very fun in dungeon, because I don't feel any responsibility. My playing time Mon-Friday UTC13:00-16:00 [PC-NA] CP over2000 now.
I have [1Tough tank] [1StamSorc-DD] [1Necro-DD] [1Real Healer]
with [1Stam Blade].
But, I'm Tank main player. Recently I'm doing Healer.
2023/12/21
By the way...Dungeon-Meshi(One of Famous Japanese fantasy story comic book) got finale...
Good-bye "King of Monster Eater".
2024/08/23
Farewell Atsuko Tanaka...(-_-) I never forget epic acting for major Motoko Kusanagi.0 -
ResidentContrarian✭✭✭✭✭All of these long answers, jeez...
Obviously, a fake tank is any tank that doesn't play the game the way I want them to.2 -
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✭You were real for sure! You had taunt, experience (taunting the dangerous enemies), and survivability (can take a hit). Normal is flexible enough that you don't need to go all in on a full tank setup, which is great for helping your daughter try out dungeons while still making sure damage is present. Winner winner chicken dinner!
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- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭BejaProphet wrote: »So my daughter wants to do ESO dungeons with me. I’m thrilled. I’m doing a dungeon with her. Period. I want her to have the best experience possible because I want her to love it.
After thinking about all that can go wrong in dungeon finder, and the best way to head it all off, I actually decide to do something I’ve always been against. I queued as a fake tank.
If I went in my serious tank set up it could expose how little she contributed. I didn’t want the group to be mean to her because she couldn’t DPS on her level 10 sorc, and I didn’t want a tank who would let her die due to being a fake tank who would not protect her. So I took my DD set up (which is pretty tanky because it is my tank in all damage gear, food, mundus, and skills), and I just threw inner fire on my bar.
It went wonderfully. I was the highest damage dealer both runs, so we had a great pace. I taunted bosses and anything that I knew I didn’t want pounding on my kid. Nothing could kill me cuz I’m still tanky and using vigor and brawler. But the grouping was trash and I mostly just did damage.
But then I ask myself? Was I a fake tank, or a real one? I did take the dangerous targets after all.
So what makes a tank fake? Was what I did bad when it was motivated by giving others the best run possible?
The tanks role for the most part is to CONTROL the encounter which includes holding agro and smart positioning.. as well as being able to take some hits which means likly not wear light armor unless u kno yur stuff well. The rest is kinda mix n match between the group members for debuffs etc0
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