Vampire - Nightblade or Necromancer?

JMadFour

These two are probably the best 2 classes for Vamp, and Just curious for opinions. I have to one of each and I’m wondering how others are seeing it.

(Yes I know, Vampire bad blehblehbleh. That’s not what this is about)

If you are still playing a Vampire, Which do you think is most enjoyable overall? A Vamp Necro or a Vamp NB? Which is easier to be a Vampire with? Which is more aesthetically pleasing or “feels” better?

Seraphayel

Nightblade

Nightblade. The Stealth passives and skills from Nightblade blend very well together with the Vampire ones.

JMadFour

Nightblade

Personally having played both, I think aesthetically the Nightblade looks/feels better but it is easier to play a Necromancer Vamp due to the immense amount of self-healing Necros have access to.

Nightblades have pretty decent spell costs, even at stage 4, the red Shadow/blood Magic aesthetic fits Vampires like a glove, along with the on-demand stealth makes it so you don’t always have to be Stage 4 sprinting. I think it might be a little easier to BUILD a Vampire with a NB base, because there are less Class skills that you need, so it’d be easier to integrate more Vamp skills on your hotbars.

Necros have much higher skill costs (as far as I can tell), but they do have several skills that cost nothing but a corpse and a LOT of self-healing. But in my experience they are far “busier” than a NB in combat, what with having to constantly maintain pets and use corpses, and that can be a turn-off for some.

I honestly have trouble picking one over the other sometimes. But for the purposes of this poll I will say Nightblade for the passive and spell cost synergy, and the aesthetics.

BlueRaven

@Seraphayel and @JMadFour are both correct.

The answer is based on your play style.
Night blade is better for stealth.
Necros are better for self heals.

Vevvev

Vampire bad blah blah bliggedy bloo blah

Voted vampire thinking it said Nightblade..... Wow I'm an idiot lol.

Anyways, Nightblade synergizes with the passives and melee fighting style while Necromancer is too slow and reliant on ranged fighting. Also Necromancer has the better transformation and the vampire stun is weak compared to Flame Clench.

Raegwyr

Necromancer

If you want raw power with good mitigation of vamp cons, go necro.
If you care more about aesthetic, probably nb.

JMadFour

Nightblade

Vevvev wrote: »

Voted vampire thinking it said Nightblade..... Wow I'm an idiot lol.

Anyways, Nightblade synergizes with the passives and melee fighting style while Necromancer is too slow and reliant on ranged fighting. Also Necromancer has the better transformation and the vampire stun is weak compared to Flame Clench.

Sometimes I feel like when I am on my Necro, I am a Necromancer who just happens to have Vampirism. But when I am on my NB, I am a VAMPIRE, and the NB just augments that.

If that makes any sense.

Vevvev

Vampire bad blah blah bliggedy bloo blah

JMadFour wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Voted vampire thinking it said Nightblade..... Wow I'm an idiot lol.

Anyways, Nightblade synergizes with the passives and melee fighting style while Necromancer is too slow and reliant on ranged fighting. Also Necromancer has the better transformation and the vampire stun is weak compared to Flame Clench.

Sometimes I feel like when I am on my Necro, I am a Necromancer who just happens to have Vampirism. But when I am on my NB, I am a VAMPIRE, and the NB just augments that.

If that makes any sense.

It does!

My vampire is a Dragonknight and it reminds me of the Blood Dragons from Warhammer. The fighting style heavily leans on the stage 3 passive to make you more durable, as well as Eviscerate due to DK's melee range increase. Popping Swarming Scion in the middle of zergs, flying after fleeing targets with leap before tearing them apart, and setting up very aggressive ambushes with the invisibility sprint is a ton of fun.

The aesthetics of fire and blood seems to work but only because it is different shades of red. I imagine Warden and Necro looking off with Vampire's red effects.

oddbasket

Nightblade

Sustain on nightblade is enough to ignore Vamp's cost increase, on necro you can feel it.

Gythral

Vampire bad blah blah bliggedy bloo blah

If you want something playble - move along!

Dojohoda

Nightblade

Mainly as level 3 vamp for the mitigation.

JMadFour

Nightblade

oddbasket wrote: »

Sustain on nightblade is enough to ignore Vamp's cost increase, on necro you can feel it.

That, and some of the main NB skills that you will use have a decently small base cost to begin with.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Necromancer

As a fan of "Vampire: The Masquerade", I'd say whatever fits your character concept the best.

For example, my Orcish vampire is a Stamina Necromancer, built loosely on the idea of a protean flesh-sculptor. I'm running the K'ragh's set (for the wicked-looking claw appendages that emerge from your back), along with the Bone Armor skill to help me REALLY get into the groove.

But, run with whatever gives you the flavor you're after. There's a ton of skills and sets you can play around with to really "flesh" it out.

Tommy_The_Gun

Necromancer

As a Vampire Necromancer, you become a better Nightblade than... well... a Nightblade...

Ryuvain

Nightblade

Only voted nightblade because it can take advantage of vamp stage 2 passive. Other than that they both look really good with vampire.

WhereArtThouVampires

Nightblade

JMadFour wrote: »

These two are probably the best 2 classes for Vamp, and Just curious for opinions. I have to one of each and I’m wondering how others are seeing it.

(Yes I know, Vampire bad blehblehbleh. That’s not what this is about)

If you are still playing a Vampire, Which do you think is most enjoyable overall? A Vamp Necro or a Vamp NB? Which is easier to be a Vampire with? Which is more aesthetically pleasing or “feels” better?

Nightblade is very obviously meant for vampire.

Especially for PvP because Necromancers have no mobility skills and a vampire without mobility is kinda useless.

WhereArtThouVampires

Nightblade

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

As a Vampire Necromancer, you become a better Nightblade than... well... a Nightblade...

Care to share what you use for mobility? (:

jtm1018

Vampire bad blah blah bliggedy bloo blah

Hate the vampire penalties.

Vevvev

Vampire bad blah blah bliggedy bloo blah

WhereArtThouVampires wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

As a Vampire Necromancer, you become a better Nightblade than... well... a Nightblade...

Care to share what you use for mobility? (:

Sometimes mobility isn't needed as a vampire. That sneak speed boost and invisibility sprint can let you ambush someone and kill them before they can react. Now I'm not a Necromancer player so I imagine you're heavily relying upon your foe continuing to fight you and not streaking along.

Cirantille

Nightblade

All my NBs are vamps

I think necromancers are not necessarily immortals but rather they play with dead

linuxlady

Nightblade

Clearly this poll is biased and OP has no exp with dk vamps at all.... hasnt even tried... I mean if they had they might be calling for a nerf so i guess it's best they don't...

Danikat

Nightblade

I have no idea what works best in terms of game mechanics, I think about it purely in terms of what best fits the theme and how TES vampires typically act (different clans and bloodlines not withstanding). In that sense I think nightblade is a better fit than necromancer.

But in spite of that I deleted my vamp nightblade when Elseweyr came out and re-made him as a necromancer, because I've already got another nightblade I definitely wanted to keep and didn't have another idea for a necromancer character I actually wanted to play.

Josira

Vampire bad blah blah bliggedy bloo blah

JMadFour wrote: »

These two are probably the best 2 classes for Vamp, and Just curious for opinions. I have to one of each and I’m wondering how others are seeing it.

(Yes I know, Vampire bad blehblehbleh. That’s not what this is about)

If you are still playing a Vampire, Which do you think is most enjoyable overall? A Vamp Necro or a Vamp NB? Which is easier to be a Vampire with? Which is more aesthetically pleasing or “feels” better?

bluuughh!its me count skooma!! I’ve come to sacrifice my own health and not do anything of note!
Sorry. Had to pick this option.
Nightblade works the best though,you’ll have to pick your opponents carefully but a magicka nightblade will get the most synergy out of vampire.

JMadFour

Nightblade

linuxlady wrote: »

Clearly this poll is biased and OP has no exp with dk vamps at all.... hasnt even tried... I mean if they had they might be calling for a nerf so i guess it's best they don't...

I won’t deny that I have no experience with Dragonknights of any kind, let alone Vampires.

Do they make good Vampires?

Vevvev

Vampire bad blah blah bliggedy bloo blah

JMadFour wrote: »

linuxlady wrote: »

Clearly this poll is biased and OP has no exp with dk vamps at all.... hasnt even tried... I mean if they had they might be calling for a nerf so i guess it's best they don't...

I won’t deny that I have no experience with Dragonknights of any kind, let alone Vampires.

Do they make good Vampires?

The absolute best actually.

Spammable becomes a 7 meter melee strike.

Coagulating Blood functions like Eviscerate so when you're about to die you can either hit harder or instantly full heal.

Burning Embers offers insane on demand offensive healing that puts Vampiric Drain to shame.

Leap gets you in range and stuns all the poor people at the impact site.

DK's Battle Roar passive makes Swarming Scion a true reset button as it gives magicka and stamina back on top of the instant heal.

Fossilize is the best melee stun in the game for Vampire's melee playstyle.

DK heavily benefits from mistform and the undeath passive making them even better tanks, especially in PVP allowing a glass cannon to survive things other classes simply can't.

Stage 4's sprint efficiency and invisibility also helps DKs chase targets, set up aggressive ambushes, and gives them a chance to disengage from an unfavorable situation.

JMadFour

Nightblade

Vevvev wrote: »

JMadFour wrote: »

linuxlady wrote: »

Clearly this poll is biased and OP has no exp with dk vamps at all.... hasnt even tried... I mean if they had they might be calling for a nerf so i guess it's best they don't...

I won’t deny that I have no experience with Dragonknights of any kind, let alone Vampires.

Do they make good Vampires?

The absolute best actually.

Spammable becomes a 7 meter melee strike.

Coagulating Blood functions like Eviscerate so when you're about to die you can either hit harder or instantly full heal.

Burning Embers offers insane on demand offensive healing that puts Vampiric Drain to shame.

Leap gets you in range and stuns all the poor people at the impact site.

DK's Battle Roar passive makes Swarming Scion a true reset button as it gives magicka and stamina back on top of the instant heal.

Fossilize is the best melee stun in the game for Vampire's melee playstyle.

DK heavily benefits from mistform and the undeath passive making them even better tanks, especially in PVP allowing a glass cannon to survive things other classes simply can't.

Stage 4's sprint efficiency and invisibility also helps DKs chase targets, set up aggressive ambushes, and gives them a chance to disengage from an unfavorable situation.

Interesting. I may try one.

How are Wardens as Vamps? Icy Boi Vampire seems aesthetically interesting.

Vevvev

Vampire bad blah blah bliggedy bloo blah

I've not tried the Warden vamp, but I imagine the extra HP and health scaling heal will make a Swarming Scion Warden a pain in the rear to take down.

Goregrinder

Vevvev wrote: »

JMadFour wrote: »

linuxlady wrote: »

Clearly this poll is biased and OP has no exp with dk vamps at all.... hasnt even tried... I mean if they had they might be calling for a nerf so i guess it's best they don't...

I won’t deny that I have no experience with Dragonknights of any kind, let alone Vampires.

Do they make good Vampires?

The absolute best actually.

Spammable becomes a 7 meter melee strike.

Coagulating Blood functions like Eviscerate so when you're about to die you can either hit harder or instantly full heal.

Burning Embers offers insane on demand offensive healing that puts Vampiric Drain to shame.

Leap gets you in range and stuns all the poor people at the impact site.

DK's Battle Roar passive makes Swarming Scion a true reset button as it gives magicka and stamina back on top of the instant heal.

Fossilize is the best melee stun in the game for Vampire's melee playstyle.

DK heavily benefits from mistform and the undeath passive making them even better tanks, especially in PVP allowing a glass cannon to survive things other classes simply can't.

Stage 4's sprint efficiency and invisibility also helps DKs chase targets, set up aggressive ambushes, and gives them a chance to disengage from an unfavorable situation.

Are we talking Stam DK or Mag Dk?

xaraan

Nightblade

Actually my only two vamps are my Magblade and Magcro. But I do think it synergizes a bit better with magblade.

JMadFour

Nightblade

Vevvev wrote: »

I've not tried the Warden vamp, but I imagine the extra HP and health scaling heal will make a Swarming Scion Warden a pain in the rear to take down.

After some thought, I’m now incredibly intrigued by the concept of a Vampire Ice Mage.

Not sure if I am intrigued enough to essentially start over from scratch, but...intrigued.

And how does that even work, lore wise?

Ice Magic I get, but a Vampire using Nature Magic?

WraithShadow13

Vampire bad blah blah bliggedy bloo blah

I've got my main as a vampire nightblade and thematically, it works great. He's a thief and assassin, so eating people is all part of the job. I haven't played a vamp necromancer yet, since there didn't seem to be any point with the way the abilities were set. Overall, i think the current state of Vampirism is too poorly executed for it to really make much of a difference worthwhile between the two classes.

Again, though, that's after NOT giving one of the options a fair trial.