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Dear DPS, using pake order in vet dungeons
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Please know your healer hates you. Especially when you die again and again... Worst then one shots is the choice you made for us not to heal you.
Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on April 22, 2022 12:18AM 14
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How does pale order help your dps? you loose your monster set proc or one of your 5 piece bonuses.Damage Per Second.
Now its nice then soloing stuff but you looses out healing from others and the SPC proc if healer run it.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.3 -
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✭new CP skill let you heal for 9% (or something) of direct damage done. Since most of damage comes from direct spam/light attacks, you can use that, instead of Puke Order Ring.1 -
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I think he meant that title should be "Dear DD" because DPS is personless statistic while we talk about DD - Damage Dealer
Say no to Toxic Casuals!
I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.
"Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 24 DLCs. 40 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game." - @AlexanderDeLarge7 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭They do not do damage, they do damage per second, so they are DPS not DD.
DD do damage to kill some thing. DPSwill hit immun target if it just show more numbers.3 -
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I think he meant that title should be "Dear DD" because DPS is personless statistic while we talk about DD - Damage Dealer
But everybody deals some damage... And everyone knows DD stands for Direct Damage as opposed to DoT, Damage over Time. 😋1 -
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I think he meant that title should be "Dear DD" because DPS is personless statistic while we talk about DD - Damage Dealer
😛 It's dps on NA. That's the term we use. I swear to you people be like LF dps 999/1000 times over dd term on NAEdited by Starlight_Whisper on March 17, 2021 8:22AM6 -
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✭✭Lol this happened to me when I was tomb healer
The DD in tomb had pale order ring, I tried to spam everything I had and it was not healing
Guess who got the blame
Heheh
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✭✭✭✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »
I think he meant that title should be "Dear DD" because DPS is personless statistic while we talk about DD - Damage Dealer
😛 It's dps on NA. That's the term we use. I swear to you people be like LF dps 999/1000 times over dd term on NA
Yes, it’s like a tight end. You call a player that because that’s where he plays, not what he is or does. Many game positions use metonymy like this in their names.0 -
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✭✭I think he meant that title should be "Dear DD" because DPS is personless statistic while we talk about DD - Damage Dealer
Oh you youngsters.
DPS was the most widely used shorthand for "person who specializes in damage" for decades in gaming. Especially in online gaming, and double especially in MMO's.
Is "DD" more concise and logical? Yes. But DPS is a perfectly cromulent term that doesn't need "correcting".22 -
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✭Cirantille wrote: »Lol this happened to me when I was tomb healer
The DD in tomb had pale order ring, I tried to spam everything I had and it was not healing
Guess who got the blame
Heheh
Had not one but two people think it was a good idea during last boss of vwgt. They just dead on normal waves that spin around. I am like you died because you I couldn't heal you and then I had to waste time rezzing you because of it.
I wasn't even nice about it either...I was like idiot at the end.
Oh side note...pale order users can still get heals from orbs synergyEdited by Starlight_Whisper on March 17, 2021 8:32PM1 -
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✭I think he meant that title should be "Dear DD" because DPS is personless statistic while we talk about DD - Damage Dealer
Oh you youngsters.
DPS was the most widely used shorthand for "person who specializes in damage" for decades in gaming. Especially in online gaming, and double especially in MMO's.
Is "DD" more concise and logical? Yes. But DPS is a perfectly cromulent term that doesn't need "correcting".
I just follow how everyone else does it. Used to 👀 call characters toon because that's how my people spoke at the time. ( Joined eso in million dollar lottery with all those wow players)0 -
TheForFeeF✭✭✭I always go into a PUG dungeon with my Pale Order on. But, the first thing I ask is "real heal or fake heal? So I know to replace my Pale Order & self heal".
If I don't get a reply, it stays on. If you tell me that you are, in fact, a healer, then the ring and self heal get replaced and I do more damage.
The issue is that too many people queue for heal when they are a DD (although, this doesn't bother me as much as fake tank, but that is a different story). So, a Pale Order ring for tank/DD is a must when doing PUG dungeons. But, you should always have a replacement if there is a healer.
On the flip-side, if I ask that, and you don't reply, then complain about not being able to heal me and we wipe... technically, that is on you. After all, I did ask. It isn't that hard to type "yes" or "no"... or even "y" or "n" if you cba to type the rest.9 -
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✭TheForFeeF wrote: »I always go into a PUG dungeon with my Pale Order on. But, the first thing I ask is "real heal or fake heal? So I know to replace my Pale Order & self heal".
If I don't get a reply, it stays on. If you tell me that you are, in fact, a healer, then the ring and self heal get replaced and I do more damage.
The issue is that too many people queue for heal when they are a DD (although, this doesn't bother me as much as fake tank, but that is a different story). So, a Pale Order ring for tank/DD is a must when doing PUG dungeons. But, you should always have a replacement if there is a healer.
On the flip-side, if I ask that, and you don't reply, then complain about not being able to heal me and we wipe... technically, that is on you. After all, I did ask. It isn't that hard to type "yes" or "no"... or even "y" or "n" if you cba to type the rest.
I don't understand...why people just don't kick fake healer if the situation is that bad. I main healer role and doing random normal on each of them since this patch has given me grey hairs when I see someone dying because I can't heal them with ring on.2 -
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✭I don't like that ring.
I prefer to either slot critical surge, or to rely on my healer if he is not fake.
I'm a DPS, everything I wear to increase my personnal survivability, is something that I don't wear to cause damage of help the group.
Wearing that ring always cause a nuisance in a group, wether it's loss of DPS or the annoyment of my healer.
And yeah .. stupid stuff happens, with that ring. The other day, I saw someone wearing it in vSS .. hilarity ensued. (at least he didn't volunteer for tombs ..)Edited by preevious on March 17, 2021 9:06AM2 -
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✭✭Ehh I assume healers are fake now days so I wear it going in unless it’s pre arranged.2 -
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✭Last night I had a run with two DD's I could not heal, because of Pale Order Ring.
And the Tank was a Warden health tank with a lot of self heal. Spell Power Cure was useless. I switche to damage dealing mid Dungeon.
MWuahhh!
If anyone here says: OH! But, PVP! I swear I'll ...
Thank you for the valuable input and respectfully recommend to discuss that aspect of ESO on the PVP forum.0 -
TheForFeeF✭✭✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »TheForFeeF wrote: »I always go into a PUG dungeon with my Pale Order on. But, the first thing I ask is "real heal or fake heal? So I know to replace my Pale Order & self heal".
If I don't get a reply, it stays on. If you tell me that you are, in fact, a healer, then the ring and self heal get replaced and I do more damage.
The issue is that too many people queue for heal when they are a DD (although, this doesn't bother me as much as fake tank, but that is a different story). So, a Pale Order ring for tank/DD is a must when doing PUG dungeons. But, you should always have a replacement if there is a healer.
On the flip-side, if I ask that, and you don't reply, then complain about not being able to heal me and we wipe... technically, that is on you. After all, I did ask. It isn't that hard to type "yes" or "no"... or even "y" or "n" if you cba to type the rest.
I don't understand...why people just don't kick fake healer if the situation is that bad. I main healer role and doing random normal on each of them since this patch has given me grey hairs when I see someone dying because I can't heal them with ring on.
When doing vet dungeons, you can easily run it with 1 tank 3 DD without any issues. Sometimes, a self-heal is enough, but a Pale Order ring covers the "what-if" situations.
Unfortunately, healers get shafted by a lot of content in this game, so there aren't many of them at all. So, when using the LFG tool, a lot of people fake-heal.
I'd kick a fake-tank in a heartbeat. But, with a fake-heal, I'd rather put on my Pale Order and self-heal and get the dungeons done. If it becomes a problem, I ask if the fake-heal can off-heal, if not, they get kicked and we look for another healer. However, I've never had a problem with a fake healer when I have my self-heal and pale order on.Edited by TheForFeeF on March 17, 2021 10:46AM1 -
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✭I think he meant that title should be "Dear DD" because DPS is personless statistic while we talk about DD - Damage Dealer
Oh you youngsters.
DPS was the most widely used shorthand for "person who specializes in damage" for decades in gaming. Especially in online gaming, and double especially in MMO's.
Is "DD" more concise and logical? Yes. But DPS is a perfectly cromulent term that doesn't need "correcting".
This 100%. I still use DPS out of habit from 10+ years of playing MMOs.3 -
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✭TheForFeeF wrote: »I always go into a PUG dungeon with my Pale Order on. But, the first thing I ask is "real heal or fake heal? So I know to replace my Pale Order & self heal".
If I don't get a reply, it stays on. If you tell me that you are, in fact, a healer, then the ring and self heal get replaced and I do more damage.
The issue is that too many people queue for heal when they are a DD (although, this doesn't bother me as much as fake tank, but that is a different story). So, a Pale Order ring for tank/DD is a must when doing PUG dungeons. But, you should always have a replacement if there is a healer.
On the flip-side, if I ask that, and you don't reply, then complain about not being able to heal me and we wipe... technically, that is on you. After all, I did ask. It isn't that hard to type "yes" or "no"... or even "y" or "n" if you cba to type the rest.
Or, you start with it unequipped, as you will find out pretty fast if you're with a healer or not. Usually at the first boss. If you die due to a lack of heals and not due to a one shot you screwed up on then equip the ring.3 -
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✭✭✭I think he meant that title should be "Dear DD" because DPS is personless statistic while we talk about DD - Damage Dealer
Oh you youngsters.
DPS was the most widely used shorthand for "person who specializes in damage" for decades in gaming. Especially in online gaming, and double especially in MMO's.
Is "DD" more concise and logical? Yes. But DPS is a perfectly cromulent term that doesn't need "correcting".
What about people loosening their grip on the meaning of lose?
Fear is the Mindkiller0 -
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I think he meant that title should be "Dear DD" because DPS is personless statistic while we talk about DD - Damage Dealer
This is the only game I know of who calls damage dealers DDs, everyone else calls them dps.7 -
Scardan✭✭✭✭✭They do not do damage, they do damage per second, so they are DPS not DD.
DD do damage to kill some thing. DPSwill hit immun target if it just show more numbers.
Somebody who is doing damage is a Damage Dealer. DPS is that thing what he is doing Damage Per Second. Somebody who bakes cakes is baker, not the cake itself. Abbreviations have a definite meaning, it is even silly to discuss this! xDI think he meant that title should be "Dear DD" because DPS is personless statistic while we talk about DD - Damage Dealer
Oh you youngsters.
DPS was the most widely used shorthand for "person who specializes in damage" for decades in gaming. Especially in online gaming, and double especially in MMO's.
Is "DD" more concise and logical? Yes. But DPS is a perfectly cromulent term that doesn't need "correcting".
Oh, you oldies.
You all used abbreviations wrong. For whole decades xD.
Edited by Scardan on March 17, 2021 11:51AMLet's be extremely precise in our use of terms.8 -
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It increases your dps by a lot of you combine it with shimmering frenzy. Technically shimmering frenzy is the thing that increases your dps but you need pale order to survive when frenzy is draining 10k hp per sec and more.0 -
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I think he meant that title should be "Dear DD" because DPS is personless statistic while we talk about DD - Damage Dealer
I thought you implied that people used the ring of pale order to increase their dps.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭TheForFeeF wrote: »Starlight_Whisper wrote: »TheForFeeF wrote: »I always go into a PUG dungeon with my Pale Order on. But, the first thing I ask is "real heal or fake heal? So I know to replace my Pale Order & self heal".
If I don't get a reply, it stays on. If you tell me that you are, in fact, a healer, then the ring and self heal get replaced and I do more damage.
The issue is that too many people queue for heal when they are a DD (although, this doesn't bother me as much as fake tank, but that is a different story). So, a Pale Order ring for tank/DD is a must when doing PUG dungeons. But, you should always have a replacement if there is a healer.
On the flip-side, if I ask that, and you don't reply, then complain about not being able to heal me and we wipe... technically, that is on you. After all, I did ask. It isn't that hard to type "yes" or "no"... or even "y" or "n" if you cba to type the rest.
I don't understand...why people just don't kick fake healer if the situation is that bad. I main healer role and doing random normal on each of them since this patch has given me grey hairs when I see someone dying because I can't heal them with ring on.
When doing vet dungeons, you can easily run it with 1 tank 3 DD without any issues. Sometimes, a self-heal is enough, but a Pale Order ring covers the "what-if" situations.
Unfortunately, healers get shafted by a lot of content in this game, so there aren't many of them at all. So, when using the LFG tool, a lot of people fake-heal.
I'd kick a fake-tank in a heartbeat. But, with a fake-heal, I'd rather put on my Pale Order and self-heal and get the dungeons done. If it becomes a problem, I ask if the fake-heal can off-heal, if not, they get kicked and we look for another healer. However, I've never had a problem with a fake healer when I have my self-heal and pale order on.
Now there's some deep hypocrisy for you.0 -
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✭Why bother arguing over whether it's DD or DPS, you knew what they meant in either case?9
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