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Bodycounter

Tannus15 wrote: »

@MoreTune Sorrow + Medusa is ok, but since sorcs don't get any passive crit damage they don't get rewarded as much as other classes for stacking pure crit.

I actually think it‘s the other way around: since Sorcerer have several passives increasing their base and/or spell damage they scale very well with critical chance. Having good base values means inherently stronger critical strikes.

Nevasca wrote: »

IIRC weapons and jewlry only drop from last boss and are the only things you want from medusa set, so it makes total sense that you got most things you wanted from chests. Theres 4 chest and only last boss to drop things you want.

Is there any difference between normal or veteran difficulty to get Jewelry and/or Staffs? I think some people stated that veteran difficulty is better for Jewelry.

MoreTune

Bodycounter wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

@MoreTune Sorrow + Medusa is ok, but since sorcs don't get any passive crit damage they don't get rewarded as much as other classes for stacking pure crit.

I actually think it‘s the other way around: since Sorcerer have several passives increasing their base and/or spell damage they scale very well with critical chance. Having good base values means inherently stronger critical strikes.

Nevasca wrote: »

IIRC weapons and jewlry only drop from last boss and are the only things you want from medusa set, so it makes total sense that you got most things you wanted from chests. Theres 4 chest and only last boss to drop things you want.

Is there any difference between normal or veteran difficulty to get Jewelry and/or Staffs? I think some people stated that veteran difficulty is better for Jewelry.

Vet dungeons drop purple jewelry. Which saves you a lot of gold instead of upgrading blue jewelry.

If you are after weapons however, more worth to run normals (faster and easier runs) since upgrading weapons from blue to purple and to gold is significantly cheaper than upgrading jewelry

FinrodMacBeorn

Bodycounter wrote: »

Is there any difference between normal or veteran difficulty to get Jewelry and/or Staffs? I think some people stated that veteran difficulty is better for Jewelry.

In my experience from farming weapons for group members, there is no drop chance difference between vet and normal. Vet gives purple stuff (not that it matters) and on the average better traits. So, if you don't want to transmute ...

Usually, in farming we run normals for sake of speed, and the typical drop location is an easy chest ...

Vermintide

Tannus15 wrote: »

Depends on the content. perf siroria, sorrow / acuity and zaan are BiS for the dummy.

As for content there is no easy answer.

I've been running siroria in a lot of content recently, even if you lose stacks a few times, they rebuild quickly and it's surprisingly easy to maintain better than BSW uptimes.

The more content I do, the more I like this update.

FinrodMacBeorn wrote: »

Bodycounter wrote: »

Is there any difference between normal or veteran difficulty to get Jewelry and/or Staffs? I think some people stated that veteran difficulty is better for Jewelry.

In my experience from farming weapons for group members, there is no drop chance difference between vet and normal. Vet gives purple stuff (not that it matters) and on the average better traits. So, if you don't want to transmute ...

Usually, in farming we run normals for sake of speed, and the typical drop location is an easy chest ...

With jewellery I find it's worth farming veteran, because if you don't have the tempers already, upgrading to purple will cost you a couple hundred thousand gold at least.

For all the rest just farm as much of the set as possible on normal, and use the reconstruction mechanic to get the parts you want.

tomsnn

Which Monster Set would you wear With MS+Medusa.
2pc crit or just zaan?
I was thinking about a MonsterSet Which increases spell dmg to push your Main dmg.

And ms+medusa -> Khajiit or high elf?

And i want to try wearing molag kena With ms+medusa With my sorc. But dont Know if i can sustain it.

preevious

tomsnn wrote: »

Which Monster Set would you wear With MS+Medusa.
2pc crit or just zaan?
I was thinking about a MonsterSet Which increases spell dmg to push your Main dmg.

And ms+medusa -> Khajiit or high elf?

And i want to try wearing molag kena With ms+medusa With my sorc. But dont Know if i can sustain it.

That's actually a good question, I'd like to have an answer myself.
Right now, I wear maw (because pet sorc, with daedric prey) ..

would an extra 2 crit% be stronger than 1024 mag + daedroth attacks?

I personnaly dislike zaan. There are too many situation where you can break the beam. And when it breaks, there goes the strongest ticks, all the time.

Everest_Lionheart

How are you guys able to sustain any of the Medusa builds? I find myself heavy attacking way too often for rss. That said in spite of the heavy attacks I hit within 1-2K of a more traditional build using MS/Siroria. I’m feel like if I could sustain the Medusa I would go much higher but I just can’t do it on any class.

preevious

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

How are you guys able to sustain any of the Medusa builds? I find myself heavy attacking way too often for rss. That said in spite of the heavy attacks I hit within 1-2K of a more traditional build using MS/Siroria. I’m feel like if I could sustain the Medusa I would go much higher but I just can’t do it on any class.

Yes, it's sustainable, at least for me.

With some conditions, though :

1. I use mostly citrus filet, for the extra regen.
2. I slot the cp stars that gives back 1500 magicka on kills. Most bosses have adds you cleave, thus offering you return.
3. I slot the +150 regen cp star.
4. Use the synergies ! Maybe leave shards for the tank, but use the synergies ! They bring loads of sustain.

As long as I get ele drain from someone, I'm fine (and most groups will have it on the heal or tank .. even on pugs or party find).

Of course, it's relevant to real content, since there's no adds to cleave and only one synergy during a parse. (but then, in a parse, you'll use ghastly instead of citrus for an added 100 regen)

Arbit

Villanelf wrote: »

Had planned to farm Medusa to run along side Mother’s Sorrow but 40 runs of Arx Coronium later and I’m yet to see an inferno staff.

Have most other items in this set (including 1 dagger and resto staff) - this is with 50 in treasure Hunter and searching every chest and heavy sack.

Oof got a precise Medusa fire staff for my friend on our first run. Wish I could give you some of that luck my friend. We’re getting false gods and Medusa for him like one person here had suggested. I can’t imagine sustain with MS and medusa.

MoreTune

tomsnn wrote: »

Which Monster Set would you wear With MS+Medusa.
2pc crit or just zaan?
I was thinking about a MonsterSet Which increases spell dmg to push your Main dmg.

And ms+medusa -> Khajiit or high elf?

And i want to try wearing molag kena With ms+medusa With my sorc. But dont Know if i can sustain it.

I run high elf. Khajiit is probably superior. Just by a bit.

Zaan > Maw. Even as a pet sorc, zaan is higher dps. The range is pretty good you don’t necessarily have to be 100% face to face melee range.
I always keep Maw in my inventory just in case there are fights where you can’t get into melee range. But 99% of the time I use Zaan

preevious

MoreTune wrote: »

tomsnn wrote: »

Which Monster Set would you wear With MS+Medusa.
2pc crit or just zaan?
I was thinking about a MonsterSet Which increases spell dmg to push your Main dmg.

And ms+medusa -> Khajiit or high elf?

And i want to try wearing molag kena With ms+medusa With my sorc. But dont Know if i can sustain it.

I run high elf. Khajiit is probably superior. Just by a bit.

Zaan > Maw. Even as a pet sorc, zaan is higher dps. The range is pretty good you don’t necessarily have to be 100% face to face melee range.
I always keep Maw in my inventory just in case there are fights where you can’t get into melee range. But 99% of the time I use Zaan

Dunno. Zaan does do more dps on the dummy, but it can fail in too many way, in actual content.

1. You have to focus an add? Too bad, Zaan procs on it's dying ass.
2. Tank loose aggro for a sec and the boss runs toward an unsuspecting DPS? Zaan breaks.
3. The lowly FG1 boss does his AOE? You dodge roll out and zaan breaks.
4. Boss teleports? Zaan does not follow.
5. You have to move for a mech? Zaan breaks.

And also, even if it breaks at the last second, you lose the most powerfull tick.
At least the daedroth follows and can switch targets.

Zaan is not bad, mind you. I used it for a while, and got good results.
But in the end, it got frustrating to see it breaks or misfire all the time.

Bodycounter

I actually really dislike Zaan and see no reason to take it over Domihaus, Ilambris or Grothdarr except static dummy parses. On top of that it is strictly worse in any scenario outside of single target damage and even then it adds 1-2k DPS at best. I can‘t stand Maw either because of this giant pet thingy that still bugs out sometimes.

Snow_White

Stack and parse - Siroria/MS/Zaan
Mobility - BSW/Medusa/Double Crit

For me, on a Magcrow MS/Medusa underperformed BSW/Medusa, however another guy in my guild runs MS/Medusa on his Magblade and it’s working really well for him.

I’ve also recently swapped my weapon enchants to poison front, flame back, which added a little over 2k on the dummy.

Matchimus

Really struggling on trial dummy with ms & medusa; sustain! My magblade peaks at 60k and has similar gear & quality of rotations as my stamdk while she gets 70k+. That said actual gameplay I think they are on par.

tsaescishoeshiner

Matchimus wrote: »

Really struggling on trial dummy with ms & medusa; sustain! My magblade peaks at 60k and has similar gear & quality of rotations as my stamdk while she gets 70k+. That said actual gameplay I think they are on par.

Sustain is harder on dummies now because you don't have the magicka recovery bonus from the old CP system. But it's easier in actual content now compared to before, because you can use sustain food since they buffed health.

Matchimus

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Matchimus wrote: »

Really struggling on trial dummy with ms & medusa; sustain! My magblade peaks at 60k and has similar gear & quality of rotations as my stamdk while she gets 70k+. That said actual gameplay I think they are on par.

Sustain is harder on dummies now because you don't have the magicka recovery bonus from the old CP system. But it's easier in actual content now compared to before, because you can use sustain food since they buffed health.

Ty for reply. Is that the same with stamina as I am not having sustain issues with stamdk? Did the change u speak of impact magicka chars more than stamina?

ACamaroGuy

I mainly run around solo these days. On my MagPlar I still use Medusa, FGD and Maw of the Infernal. My back bar is the Maelstrom flame staff. Medusa chest and legs, heavy. The rest in light.

WrathOfInnos

I don’t see any reason to use Medusa or Sorrow daggers. If there is too much movement to use Siroria then stick with an inferno staff.

There are situations where you’ll be stationary enough to use Siroria, but not melee (mainly vKA and vMoL), so Siroria Inferno Staff still has a place in the meta.

Medusa + Sorrow is for high movement fights like vAS or vCR, and even within those it’s situational.

MoreTune wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I would really like to see some parsing done with Medusa/MS by someone that is in the 100k range with a meta setup to see the difference.

Nothing personal, but hard to trust parses south of 80k. Too many mistakes are happening in that rotation for a good comparison.

I will also point out that even with a fair amount of movement, siroria is still typically your strongest option. I think most players pay too much attention to the stacks at their own detriment. Move when you have to, otherwise standstill. That is good advice for any setup.

Agreed. I haven’t seen any parses for MS/Medusa at the 100k Mark. Not that it can’t reach, just no one posted any videos of it.

Side note, I’ve been running MS/Siroria with thief versus MS/Medusa with shadow (I got a Medusa staff recently) and I noticed my dps is the same on target dummy without any sustain issues. Getting 75-80k but I’m low CP. I use parse food all the time now. I’m at over 20k HP.

Guess it’s just preference ? I prefer MS/Medusa in 4 man content because I can feel free to move without worry and I DONT need to slot trap or channeled acc.

Raids, I prob will switch Siroria for stack and burn boss fights.

But again, wish i could see a someone who parses 100k+ to test MS/Medusa sets and see

I would be very surprised to see anyone hit 100k in MS/Medusa. That would be the equivalent to 105-106k with Siroria, and the highest I’ve seen for any Magicka build is 104k.

MoreTune

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I don’t see any reason to use Medusa or Sorrow daggers. If there is too much movement to use Siroria then stick with an inferno staff.

There are situations where you’ll be stationary enough to use Siroria, but not melee (mainly vKA and vMoL), so Siroria Inferno Staff still has a place in the meta.

Medusa + Sorrow is for high movement fights like vAS or vCR, and even within those it’s situational.

MoreTune wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I would really like to see some parsing done with Medusa/MS by someone that is in the 100k range with a meta setup to see the difference.

Nothing personal, but hard to trust parses south of 80k. Too many mistakes are happening in that rotation for a good comparison.

I will also point out that even with a fair amount of movement, siroria is still typically your strongest option. I think most players pay too much attention to the stacks at their own detriment. Move when you have to, otherwise standstill. That is good advice for any setup.

Agreed. I haven’t seen any parses for MS/Medusa at the 100k Mark. Not that it can’t reach, just no one posted any videos of it.

Side note, I’ve been running MS/Siroria with thief versus MS/Medusa with shadow (I got a Medusa staff recently) and I noticed my dps is the same on target dummy without any sustain issues. Getting 75-80k but I’m low CP. I use parse food all the time now. I’m at over 20k HP.

Guess it’s just preference ? I prefer MS/Medusa in 4 man content because I can feel free to move without worry and I DONT need to slot trap or channeled acc.

Raids, I prob will switch Siroria for stack and burn boss fights.

But again, wish i could see a someone who parses 100k+ to test MS/Medusa sets and see

I would be very surprised to see anyone hit 100k in MS/Medusa. That would be the equivalent to 105-106k with Siroria, and the highest I’ve seen for any Magicka build is 104k.

Agree.

I’ve learned that MS/Siroria works just fine. You regain siroria stacks rather quickly anyway. And the dps difference is minimal