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Meta magicka DPS gear
MoreTune
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It seems that most magicka set ups are running
Mother sorrow x5 and Siroria x5 with Zaanx2. This is making some high parses but then again they are just standing still and stacking siroria.
For fights that require you to move around, is Mother sorrow x5 and Medusa x5 similar in dps?
Has anyone tested mother’s sorrow and Medusa (2 daggers) on the new patch.
Side note: false gods seems like a less likely choice now
Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on March 19, 2021 10:10AM Mother sorrow x5 and Siroria x5 with Zaanx2. This is making some high parses but then again they are just standing still and stacking siroria.
For fights that require you to move around, is Mother sorrow x5 and Medusa x5 similar in dps?
Has anyone tested mother’s sorrow and Medusa (2 daggers) on the new patch.
Side note: false gods seems like a less likely choice now
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LeonAkando✭✭✭✭False Gods + Medusa, Monster set as preference for movement.
edit: Daggers depend on class, generally staff is stronger.Edited by LeonAkando on March 17, 2021 4:04AM1 -
Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Depends on the content. perf siroria, sorrow / acuity and zaan are BiS for the dummy.
As for content there is no easy answer.
I've been running siroria in a lot of content recently, even if you lose stacks a few times, they rebuild quickly and it's surprisingly easy to maintain better than BSW uptimes.
You really want to be running Medusa on the front bar only now, since running 2Heavy is not great, so it's better for classes like sorc which have less time on the back bar, and their hard hitting skills like frags are always on the front. This makes sorrow a stronger option if you want to front bar something else like siroria, master arch or bsw. With sorrow you need to maintain minor force yourself though, so if you don't have the bar space (like a 2 pet sorc), maybe you're better off with medusa anyway.
The dummy is also running 7 light, but 6 light and 1 heavy seems a lot more durable in content, and as we say in my guild, dead dps is no dps. I'm not a fan of the dagger meta on mag unless you're already restricted to melee range like a magDK or a magplar running jabs.
I got my best vMA score by running 2 stat food with false god, medusa and thrassian this patch.
over all there are more options this patch than we've seen in a long while, including the option of running clockwork / witchmother or even parse food.
The more content I do, the more I like this update.10 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Talfyg is also an option now with Encratis helping offset the increased damage. Front bar acuity + Talfyg is great in dungeons.0 -
thorwyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I would like to add spell strategist for single target situationsAnd if the dam breaks open many years too soon
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And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
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Villanelf✭✭Had planned to farm Medusa to run along side Mother’s Sorrow but 40 runs of Arx Coronium later and I’m yet to see an inferno staff.
Have most other items in this set (including 1 dagger and resto staff) - this is with 50 in treasure Hunter and searching every chest and heavy sack.
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Vermintide✭✭✭✭I don't think you see much difference in real world usage between these top end sets. The more important thing is what fits with your build and playstyle, since whichever one you're using will slightly alter how you want to apply your skills and "rotation" etc.
Sorrow/Medusa is probably theoretically best now on most classes but ehh. I'm reasonably sure you can get within the same territory combining Sorrow or Medusa with Julianos, Acuity, NMA, Spell Strategist, False God's... You get the idea. Just depends what you're slotting and how you wanna run.1 -
MoreTune✭✭✭✭Depends on the content. perf siroria, sorrow / acuity and zaan are BiS for the dummy.
As for content there is no easy answer.
I've been running siroria in a lot of content recently, even if you lose stacks a few times, they rebuild quickly and it's surprisingly easy to maintain better than BSW uptimes.
You really want to be running Medusa on the front bar only now, since running 2Heavy is not great, so it's better for classes like sorc which have less time on the back bar, and their hard hitting skills like frags are always on the front. This makes sorrow a stronger option if you want to front bar something else like siroria, master arch or bsw. With sorrow you need to maintain minor force yourself though, so if you don't have the bar space (like a 2 pet sorc), maybe you're better off with medusa anyway.
The dummy is also running 7 light, but 6 light and 1 heavy seems a lot more durable in content, and as we say in my guild, dead dps is no dps. I'm not a fan of the dagger meta on mag unless you're already restricted to melee range like a magDK or a magplar running jabs.
I got my best vMA score by running 2 stat food with false god, medusa and thrassian this patch.
over all there are more options this patch than we've seen in a long while, including the option of running clockwork / witchmother or even parse food.
The more content I do, the more I like this update.
What’s your opinion on front barring Medusa and 5 pc MOthers sorrow body? I just haven’t seen any testing on it0 -
preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭Depends on the content. perf siroria, sorrow / acuity and zaan are BiS for the dummy.
As for content there is no easy answer.
I've been running siroria in a lot of content recently, even if you lose stacks a few times, they rebuild quickly and it's surprisingly easy to maintain better than BSW uptimes.
You really want to be running Medusa on the front bar only now, since running 2Heavy is not great, so it's better for classes like sorc which have less time on the back bar, and their hard hitting skills like frags are always on the front. This makes sorrow a stronger option if you want to front bar something else like siroria, master arch or bsw. With sorrow you need to maintain minor force yourself though, so if you don't have the bar space (like a 2 pet sorc), maybe you're better off with medusa anyway.
The dummy is also running 7 light, but 6 light and 1 heavy seems a lot more durable in content, and as we say in my guild, dead dps is no dps. I'm not a fan of the dagger meta on mag unless you're already restricted to melee range like a magDK or a magplar running jabs.
I got my best vMA score by running 2 stat food with false god, medusa and thrassian this patch.
over all there are more options this patch than we've seen in a long while, including the option of running clockwork / witchmother or even parse food.
The more content I do, the more I like this update.
What’s your opinion on front barring Medusa and 5 pc MOthers sorrow body? I just haven’t seen any testing on it
With that setup, I do as much damage than with siroria frontbarred and medusa body, and have much more freedom of movement. The loss of minor slayer does not seem to hurt.
Since the great crit nerf, and since crit is still very powerfull, running MS body + medusa frontbarred is actually great. Give it a try, if you can find that damn medusa staff...2 -
MoreTune✭✭✭✭Depends on the content. perf siroria, sorrow / acuity and zaan are BiS for the dummy.
As for content there is no easy answer.
I've been running siroria in a lot of content recently, even if you lose stacks a few times, they rebuild quickly and it's surprisingly easy to maintain better than BSW uptimes.
You really want to be running Medusa on the front bar only now, since running 2Heavy is not great, so it's better for classes like sorc which have less time on the back bar, and their hard hitting skills like frags are always on the front. This makes sorrow a stronger option if you want to front bar something else like siroria, master arch or bsw. With sorrow you need to maintain minor force yourself though, so if you don't have the bar space (like a 2 pet sorc), maybe you're better off with medusa anyway.
The dummy is also running 7 light, but 6 light and 1 heavy seems a lot more durable in content, and as we say in my guild, dead dps is no dps. I'm not a fan of the dagger meta on mag unless you're already restricted to melee range like a magDK or a magplar running jabs.
I got my best vMA score by running 2 stat food with false god, medusa and thrassian this patch.
over all there are more options this patch than we've seen in a long while, including the option of running clockwork / witchmother or even parse food.
The more content I do, the more I like this update.
What’s your opinion on front barring Medusa and 5 pc MOthers sorrow body? I just haven’t seen any testing on it
With that setup, I do as much damage than with siroria frontbarred and medusa body, and have much more freedom of movement. The loss of minor slayer does not seem to hurt.
Since the great crit nerf, and since crit is still very powerfull, running MS body + medusa frontbarred is actually great. Give it a try, if you can find that damn medusa staff...
This is the answer I was looking for! Thanks for clarifying. I just haven’t seen anyone parse with MS/Siroria vs MS/Medusa. And see where the numbers are side by side.
Have you tried parsing ?
@preevious
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preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭Depends on the content. perf siroria, sorrow / acuity and zaan are BiS for the dummy.
As for content there is no easy answer.
I've been running siroria in a lot of content recently, even if you lose stacks a few times, they rebuild quickly and it's surprisingly easy to maintain better than BSW uptimes.
You really want to be running Medusa on the front bar only now, since running 2Heavy is not great, so it's better for classes like sorc which have less time on the back bar, and their hard hitting skills like frags are always on the front. This makes sorrow a stronger option if you want to front bar something else like siroria, master arch or bsw. With sorrow you need to maintain minor force yourself though, so if you don't have the bar space (like a 2 pet sorc), maybe you're better off with medusa anyway.
The dummy is also running 7 light, but 6 light and 1 heavy seems a lot more durable in content, and as we say in my guild, dead dps is no dps. I'm not a fan of the dagger meta on mag unless you're already restricted to melee range like a magDK or a magplar running jabs.
I got my best vMA score by running 2 stat food with false god, medusa and thrassian this patch.
over all there are more options this patch than we've seen in a long while, including the option of running clockwork / witchmother or even parse food.
The more content I do, the more I like this update.
What’s your opinion on front barring Medusa and 5 pc MOthers sorrow body? I just haven’t seen any testing on it
With that setup, I do as much damage than with siroria frontbarred and medusa body, and have much more freedom of movement. The loss of minor slayer does not seem to hurt.
Since the great crit nerf, and since crit is still very powerfull, running MS body + medusa frontbarred is actually great. Give it a try, if you can find that damn medusa staff...
This is the answer I was looking for! Thanks for clarifying. I just haven’t seen anyone parse with MS/Siroria vs MS/Medusa. And see where the numbers are side by side.
Have you tried parsing ?
@preevious
Yes, I did.
Both setups parse around 78k for me, this patch (on the iron atronach, of course), with MS + medusa being slightly stronger.
EDIT : it means, and you understood it, that in real content, MS + medusa is very much better than siro + medusa.
Edited by preevious on March 17, 2021 11:00AM0 -
MoreTune✭✭✭✭Depends on the content. perf siroria, sorrow / acuity and zaan are BiS for the dummy.
As for content there is no easy answer.
I've been running siroria in a lot of content recently, even if you lose stacks a few times, they rebuild quickly and it's surprisingly easy to maintain better than BSW uptimes.
You really want to be running Medusa on the front bar only now, since running 2Heavy is not great, so it's better for classes like sorc which have less time on the back bar, and their hard hitting skills like frags are always on the front. This makes sorrow a stronger option if you want to front bar something else like siroria, master arch or bsw. With sorrow you need to maintain minor force yourself though, so if you don't have the bar space (like a 2 pet sorc), maybe you're better off with medusa anyway.
The dummy is also running 7 light, but 6 light and 1 heavy seems a lot more durable in content, and as we say in my guild, dead dps is no dps. I'm not a fan of the dagger meta on mag unless you're already restricted to melee range like a magDK or a magplar running jabs.
I got my best vMA score by running 2 stat food with false god, medusa and thrassian this patch.
over all there are more options this patch than we've seen in a long while, including the option of running clockwork / witchmother or even parse food.
The more content I do, the more I like this update.
What’s your opinion on front barring Medusa and 5 pc MOthers sorrow body? I just haven’t seen any testing on it
With that setup, I do as much damage than with siroria frontbarred and medusa body, and have much more freedom of movement. The loss of minor slayer does not seem to hurt.
Since the great crit nerf, and since crit is still very powerfull, running MS body + medusa frontbarred is actually great. Give it a try, if you can find that damn medusa staff...
This is the answer I was looking for! Thanks for clarifying. I just haven’t seen anyone parse with MS/Siroria vs MS/Medusa. And see where the numbers are side by side.
Have you tried parsing ?
@preevious
Yes, I did.
Both setups parse around 78k for me, this patch (on the iron atronach, of course), with MS + medusa being slightly stronger.
EDIT : it means, and you understood it, that in real content, MS + medusa is very much better than siro + medusa.
Very helpful thanks so much! I have a full set of Medusa with 2 daggers. But I’d rather use inferno staff. Time to go back to farming. Wish me luck !0 -
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✭Make sure you pay attention to mundus stone.- Siroria + MS/Medusa -> Thief mundus is better
- MS + Medusa -> Shadow mundus is better
- pFG + MS/Medusa -> Shadow mundus is better on most classes (Not sure about DKs)
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preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭Depends on the content. perf siroria, sorrow / acuity and zaan are BiS for the dummy.
As for content there is no easy answer.
I've been running siroria in a lot of content recently, even if you lose stacks a few times, they rebuild quickly and it's surprisingly easy to maintain better than BSW uptimes.
You really want to be running Medusa on the front bar only now, since running 2Heavy is not great, so it's better for classes like sorc which have less time on the back bar, and their hard hitting skills like frags are always on the front. This makes sorrow a stronger option if you want to front bar something else like siroria, master arch or bsw. With sorrow you need to maintain minor force yourself though, so if you don't have the bar space (like a 2 pet sorc), maybe you're better off with medusa anyway.
The dummy is also running 7 light, but 6 light and 1 heavy seems a lot more durable in content, and as we say in my guild, dead dps is no dps. I'm not a fan of the dagger meta on mag unless you're already restricted to melee range like a magDK or a magplar running jabs.
I got my best vMA score by running 2 stat food with false god, medusa and thrassian this patch.
over all there are more options this patch than we've seen in a long while, including the option of running clockwork / witchmother or even parse food.
The more content I do, the more I like this update.
What’s your opinion on front barring Medusa and 5 pc MOthers sorrow body? I just haven’t seen any testing on it
With that setup, I do as much damage than with siroria frontbarred and medusa body, and have much more freedom of movement. The loss of minor slayer does not seem to hurt.
Since the great crit nerf, and since crit is still very powerfull, running MS body + medusa frontbarred is actually great. Give it a try, if you can find that damn medusa staff...
This is the answer I was looking for! Thanks for clarifying. I just haven’t seen anyone parse with MS/Siroria vs MS/Medusa. And see where the numbers are side by side.
Have you tried parsing ?
@preevious
Yes, I did.
Both setups parse around 78k for me, this patch (on the iron atronach, of course), with MS + medusa being slightly stronger.
EDIT : it means, and you understood it, that in real content, MS + medusa is very much better than siro + medusa.
Very helpful thanks so much! I have a full set of Medusa with 2 daggers. But I’d rather use inferno staff. Time to go back to farming. Wish me luck !
Yes, good luck. It's a rough farm, but it'll drop eventually.
Don't forget chests ! In the end, it dropped for me in a chest, during a normal solo run. Also, ask the other runners .. I got my lightning one buy buying it off another guy.Make sure you pay attention to mundus stone.- Siroria + MS/Medusa -> Thief mundus is better
- MS + Medusa -> Shadow mundus is better
- pFG + MS/Medusa -> Shadow mundus is better on most classes (Not sure about DKs)
Yes, indeed .. though when I used siro + medusa, I noticed next to no difference between thief and shadow. So little difference, in fact, that it's overshadowed by the normal difference of similar parses.0 -
Tanis-Stormbinder✭✭✭✭✭On my Magplar I been using War Maiden and Acuity with daggers and the Shadow mundus. I love the build diversity this patch.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »On my Magplar I been using War Maiden and Acuity with daggers and the Shadow mundus. I love the build diversity this patch.
Hows the sustain?1 -
Tanis-Stormbinder✭✭✭✭✭Using Ghastly Eye Bowl and have no sustain problems. In a well formed trial group you may even be able to use just max magicka food (Firsthold Fruit and Cheese Plate) for even more dps output.Edited by Tanis-Stormbinder on March 17, 2021 2:02PM2
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✭✭✭✭@MoreTune Sorrow + Medusa is ok, but since sorcs don't get any passive crit damage they don't get rewarded as much as other classes for stacking pure crit. Personally I'd rather stick to 1 damage set and 1 crit set like BSW and medsua/sorrow/acuity than all crit. You can also do some funky things like pFG or scathing mage with julianos since there are a lot of crit stats there already.
Be very careful basing things off the 21m this patch. The dummy has it's own meta now and I'm not seeing the same results for dummy builds compared to content. More so than usual.2 -
ericshug✭HI,siroria + medusa for magic nacro , main hand is medusa flame staff or siroria flame staff ? and why?0
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Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo✭✭✭✭✭
✭False god is still nice to use on longer fights with mob trash content involved.
MS + Medusa is hard to sustain.
Yes Siroria + MS/Medusa are the best hitting setups on raid target dummies.
It's a shame that SIroria is still the best set available at the moment, it's getting a bit boring using the same thing over and over again, I must admit.1 -
Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »Using Ghastly Eye Bowl and have no sustain problems. In a well formed trial group you may even be able to use just max magicka food (Firsthold Fruit and Cheese Plate) for even more dps output.
Having 20K HP this patch is like having about 18K HP last patch. I would recommend either clockwork filet or witch mother's potent brew to end up at 22k HP and if you have the warden buff you get 24K HP. Lower health players can die easier with parse food, in my opinion.0 -
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✭Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »Using Ghastly Eye Bowl and have no sustain problems. In a well formed trial group you may even be able to use just max magicka food (Firsthold Fruit and Cheese Plate) for even more dps output.
Having 20K HP this patch is like having about 18K HP last patch. I would recommend either clockwork filet or witch mother's potent brew to end up at 22k HP and if you have the warden buff you get 24K HP. Lower health players can die easier with parse food, in my opinion.
Or put some of the CP into the resistances if you have enough. They are worth more than the extra HP anyway because the HP is a linear scaling but the resistances effectively scale with the amount of damage taken so the more you get clobbered the more difference it makes.
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Nevasca✭✭✭✭✭You should be able to maintain Siroria stacked in most fights, it's normal to drop the stacks a few times but generally most fights is stack and DPS anyways. If you're doing a dungeon or 4man arena where you move a lot then medusa+ms like everyone is saying is BiS.0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I would really like to see some parsing done with Medusa/MS by someone that is in the 100k range with a meta setup to see the difference.
Nothing personal, but hard to trust parses south of 80k. Too many mistakes are happening in that rotation for a good comparison.
I will also point out that even with a fair amount of movement, siroria is still typically your strongest option. I think most players pay too much attention to the stacks at their own detriment. Move when you have to, otherwise standstill. That is good advice for any setup.
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MoreTune✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I would really like to see some parsing done with Medusa/MS by someone that is in the 100k range with a meta setup to see the difference.
Nothing personal, but hard to trust parses south of 80k. Too many mistakes are happening in that rotation for a good comparison.
I will also point out that even with a fair amount of movement, siroria is still typically your strongest option. I think most players pay too much attention to the stacks at their own detriment. Move when you have to, otherwise standstill. That is good advice for any setup.
Agreed. I haven’t seen any parses for MS/Medusa at the 100k Mark. Not that it can’t reach, just no one posted any videos of it.
Side note, I’ve been running MS/Siroria with thief versus MS/Medusa with shadow (I got a Medusa staff recently) and I noticed my dps is the same on target dummy without any sustain issues. Getting 75-80k but I’m low CP. I use parse food all the time now. I’m at over 20k HP.
Guess it’s just preference ? I prefer MS/Medusa in 4 man content because I can feel free to move without worry and I DONT need to slot trap or channeled acc.
Raids, I prob will switch Siroria for stack and burn boss fights.
But again, wish i could see a someone who parses 100k+ to test MS/Medusa sets and see0 -
MRusso89✭✭✭Had planned to farm Medusa to run along side Mother’s Sorrow but 40 runs of Arx Coronium later and I’m yet to see an inferno staff.
Have most other items in this set (including 1 dagger and resto staff) - this is with 50 in treasure Hunter and searching every chest and heavy sack.
Ran Arx 53 times over the past week and finally got the inferno staff out of an Intermediate chest near the Ancient Lurker yesterday. May be a stupid superstition, but I kept all the Medusa gear I picked up in my inventory when farming and I actually noticed I was having higher odds of getting Medusa stuff when getting the chests. But I probably just got super lucky rather than manipulating RNG to give me what I wanted lol. Now I have every item from Medusa except an ice staff.Hermaeus Mora, elder than Ada, Abyssal Cephaliarch, hearken to the plea of this unworthy, for I have come to barter for knowledge denied.
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Villanelf✭✭Had planned to farm Medusa to run along side Mother’s Sorrow but 40 runs of Arx Coronium later and I’m yet to see an inferno staff.
Have most other items in this set (including 1 dagger and resto staff) - this is with 50 in treasure Hunter and searching every chest and heavy sack.
Ran Arx 53 times over the past week and finally got the inferno staff out of an Intermediate chest near the Ancient Lurker yesterday. May be a stupid superstition, but I kept all the Medusa gear I picked up in my inventory when farming and I actually noticed I was having higher odds of getting Medusa stuff when getting the chests. But I probably just got super lucky rather than manipulating RNG to give me what I wanted lol. Now I have every item from Medusa except an ice staff.
Coincidental or not, I banked my inventory (storing all Medusa pieces) and the subsequent runs mainly dropped undaunted infiltrator pieces.
Thanks for the suggestion and nothing to lose - I’ll give it a go.
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Nevasca✭✭✭✭✭Had planned to farm Medusa to run along side Mother’s Sorrow but 40 runs of Arx Coronium later and I’m yet to see an inferno staff.
Have most other items in this set (including 1 dagger and resto staff) - this is with 50 in treasure Hunter and searching every chest and heavy sack.
Ran Arx 53 times over the past week and finally got the inferno staff out of an Intermediate chest near the Ancient Lurker yesterday. May be a stupid superstition, but I kept all the Medusa gear I picked up in my inventory when farming and I actually noticed I was having higher odds of getting Medusa stuff when getting the chests. But I probably just got super lucky rather than manipulating RNG to give me what I wanted lol. Now I have every item from Medusa except an ice staff.
IIRC weapons and jewlry only drop from last boss and are the only things you want from medusa set, so it makes total sense that you got most things you wanted from chests. Theres 4 chest and only last boss to drop things you want.Edited by Nevasca on March 20, 2021 9:59PM0
