New Radiant Apex mounts will be available for Crown Gems!!

renne

VaranisArano wrote: »

renne wrote: »

Where is the source for this?

"During this Crown Crate season, these three ultra-rare mounts (called Radiant Apex mounts) are also available for purchase with gems from the in-game Crown Store. This is the first time that you can acquire a Crown Crate’s rarest items via gems in addition to the Crown Crates themselves, and you can find them within the Radiant Apex subcategory of the Crown Crate section of the Crown Store."

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/59709/

Thank you!

VaranisArano wrote: »

Because most people who chase the mounts do so because they love how the mount looks, as opposed to because it's a status symbol proclaiming how much money they threw at the game.

Yeah, exactly. In all the time I've been playing, there's only been 2 radiant apex mounts I've REALLY wanted and the senche in this lot is one of them. I certainly didn't get the other one even after buying a LOT of crates, so actually being able to get this one - knowing I COULD absolutely get it (if I don't deem the gems cost prohibitive) without being left to the vagaries of RNG, makes a massive difference.

Parasaurolophus

VaranisArano wrote: »

BrownChicken wrote: »

Many will not understand me ... But now everyone will have these apex mounts. What's the point?

Because most people who chase the mounts do so because they love how the mount looks, as opposed to because it's a status symbol proclaiming how much money they threw at the game.

I mean, if someone wanted future Radiant mounts for the perceived status, this change sucks.

Reminds me a bit of the person who was griping that ZOS made all the indrik feathers available at the end of the year, because somehow it made theirs that they earned earlier in the year seem less special.

It's not about status at all. It's about uniqueness. Buy a very expensive mount and see it from every 10th player ...

Raegwyr

Bet change is related to microsoft in game store items policy.
Overall it is good news, less rng the better

JKorr

Mitrenga wrote: »

Oh boy, ESO is becoming Neverwinter. Isn't it?

No. If I buy a shiny sparkly mount I get a shiny sparkly mount. Provided I have the riding skills maxed I will be just as fast as you are on your mount, sparkly or not. My wolf might have glowing eyes, but that really isn't an advantage in playing.

I buy a mount in Neverwinter, I can get +2000 weapon penetration, or +8000 hit points or other rather advantageous boosts. You don't buy the same mount in Neverwinter. Which of us would have an advantage?

Araneae6537

BrownChicken wrote: »

Many will not understand me ... But now everyone will have these apex mounts. What's the point?

From your posts in another thread (on dyeing mount armor and tack), I thought you liked more plain lore-friendly non-flashy mounts, no? If the concern is more of these around and all over the world, it seems to me we’re already there with mounts and pets glowing, on fire, saturated colors, and so on and so forth. Actually, by those standards, these radiant apex mounts are much more fitting than many apex mounts have been, in my opinion at least! I like them, but personally don’t plan to have one unless I get lucky indeed. I have never bought crates before (exceptions being CE bundle and trade-gifting event tickets) so Gems are a very limited commodity for me and few things could entice me to spend even so much as 100 at once.

VaranisArano

BrownChicken wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

BrownChicken wrote: »

Many will not understand me ... But now everyone will have these apex mounts. What's the point?

Because most people who chase the mounts do so because they love how the mount looks, as opposed to because it's a status symbol proclaiming how much money they threw at the game.

I mean, if someone wanted future Radiant mounts for the perceived status, this change sucks.

Reminds me a bit of the person who was griping that ZOS made all the indrik feathers available at the end of the year, because somehow it made theirs that they earned earlier in the year seem less special.

It's not about status at all. It's about uniqueness. Buy a very expensive mount and see it from every 10th player ...

Okay, sure. Then it's because most people who chase the mounts do so because they love how the mount looks, as opposed to because it's a status symbol proclaiming how much money they threw at the game since it's expensive and unique. Because that's totally different.

Nah, that's a status symbol.

I mean, I do understand that there are people who want expensive and unique items because they derive pleasure from having something that others don't. See the example of Mr. "Why is ZOS letting people have a 2nd chance at my fancy indrik?" If someone does desire a Radiant Apex mount for the purpose of possessing a rare item that most people will never own, whelp, this changes sucks for that person, doesn't it? The Radiant Apex are sure to still be expensive AF, but will probably be in reach of more players than before, so its no longer a good status symbol for anyone who wants to say "I've spent enough money or gotten lucky enough to ride this fancy unique mount" while basking in the envy of less rich or less lucky players.

The much larger segment of players, and those to whom ZOS is pitching this change are the ones who think "Wow, I want that mount because I love how it looks! I'll spend money on that now that I know I can get enough gems to buy the one I want!" I don't like Crown Crates at all, but at least that's a healthier way of deriving enjoyment from cosmetics in a video game.


Moreover, I confess that while I understand your argument that making Radiant Apex mounts available to more players makes them less valuable to those who value them primarily for their expense, their rarity, and their "uniqueness," I find it extremely unsympathetic. When we say "If everyone has them, they're no longer special, so what's the point", it's totally about status. Always has been.

What this amounts to is asking that ZOS keep the old system that cost all players who chased Radiant Apex mounts more money purely to preserve the "expensive, unique" status of the Radiant Apex category in favor of players who care about that status at the direct expense of other players. I can't muster much sympathy for that.

renne

Cheyenne wrote: »

The timing is interesting. The $1400 stimulus checks should be arriving in people's bank accounts starting this week.

A classic example of how if you want to see something sinister in something you will.

barney2525

rrimöykk wrote: »

1200 gems. Mark my words.

Nah my guess would be 600 - 800 range. They don't want to price them so high that people would just throw up their hands and say 'forget it'. They Want people to buy the crates.

WiseSky

renne wrote: »

Cheyenne wrote: »

The timing is interesting. The $1400 stimulus checks should be arriving in people's bank accounts starting this week.

A classic example of how if you want to see something sinister in something you will.

Crowns for gold prices on Pc Na got to 80:1 when the first stimulus check dropped.

Crowns for gold are 400:1 now, I bet they will fall too when this check drops

Just my speculation

Xuhora

ZOS needs to compensate people who allready got the mount through the old way! i mean come on, im feeling robbed since i spent 400 cash to get my radiant apex, why would now people have it easier to get one?`thats just a slap in the face for all veteran crown store players!
ZOS needs to give us the ammount of gems the new radiant APEX costs for every apex we allready have in our inventory, this would be the most fair solution!

/S

Raegwyr

barney2525 wrote: »

rrimöykk wrote: »

1200 gems. Mark my words.

Nah my guess would be 600 - 800 range. They don't want to price them so high that people would just throw up their hands and say 'forget it'. They Want people to buy the crates.

More like 2k gems or mixed price (first radiant from set for 3,2k, second for 2k, if you have both then third for 1,2k). It would match with their previous standards for those mounts.
I'm laughting at ppl who thinks these mounts will be common now. Don't worry you still need to spend ton of money to get one, now you just have a choice between buying for high set price or gamble

Artorias24

1k+ at least.

renne

Raegwyr wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

rrimöykk wrote: »

1200 gems. Mark my words.

Nah my guess would be 600 - 800 range. They don't want to price them so high that people would just throw up their hands and say 'forget it'. They Want people to buy the crates.

More like 2k gems or mixed price (first radiant from set for 3,2k, second for 2k, if you have both then third for 1,2k). It would match with their previous standards for those mounts.
I'm laughting at ppl who thinks these mounts will be common now. Don't worry you still need to spend ton of money to get one, now you just have a choice between buying for high set price or gamble

And if you get good RNG to get it while buying enough crates to get the gems then you've come out on top!

WiseSky

It’s takes 400 crates to get a radiant apex at 0.25%
Each crates is around 7 gems
Expect 2400 gems

Or 5 years of never missing out on a twitch drop

Or 1 stimulus check

Moonsorrow

danno8 wrote: »

BrownChicken wrote: »

Many will not understand me ... But now everyone will have these apex mounts. What's the point?

Radiant Apex are the mark of a whale.

Or just a lucky person too? I know several people who have got Radiant from a single or from a random 4 pack of crates that they buy once or twice per year without going full whale.

Saccopharynx

Personally I hate crown crates, but not because of the stuff locked behind them, but the time limit to get said stuff.

If you're someone who only can spare money on one paycheck out of the month, and the items are gone before you can actually get them? Well they're gone. That's that. Cross your fingers that item comes back next year. That incentive to hurry and buy only works if you can do the buying part to begin with. It's one thing to lock a handful of items in a crown crate to miss out on, but they lock a LOT of things there.

Otherwise, I welcome the change. It would be nice to simply gem out and buy a cool mount if you wanted it over crossing your fingers. After all, you can spend a little money each paycheck if you wanted and save up gems a lot easier than you can sacrifice your water bill trying to chase a mount.

Seraphayel

barney2525 wrote: »

rrimöykk wrote: »

1200 gems. Mark my words.

Nah my guess would be 600 - 800 range. They don't want to price them so high that people would just throw up their hands and say 'forget it'. They Want people to buy the crates.

I‘d say 1000 gems is the limit. That’s already well over $100-150 for just a mount. People suggesting 2000 gems or more have no clue how expensive it is to get that much gems. And having something priced in that range in the item shop would result in a very bad reputation.

Prof_Bawbag

The hype is real. CC's were probably beginning to take a downward spiral sales wise and needed a new tactic to re invigorate the weary. If this thread is anything to go by, it's worked like a charm. It's also worked convincing many that gems somehow represent value for money. lol

As some have said, gems are still a predatory method and should be binned too. £50 worth of gems should cost no more than £50. But they can currently cost the buyer, erm, eh ... the sky's the limit.

red_emu

The cost be so high, you will probably need to spend approximately £2000.00 to accumulate enough gems for one mount.

Lugaldu

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

CC's were probably beginning to take a downward spiral sales wise and needed a new tactic to re invigorate the weary.

Maybe it would be already more attractive if the conversion of crown crate items into gems didn't have such a lousy ratio. At the same time, however, the cost of items for gems shouldn't increase either (the only things that interest me are sometimes furnishings, but they always cost at least 100 gems).

Raegwyr

Seraphayel wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

rrimöykk wrote: »

1200 gems. Mark my words.

Nah my guess would be 600 - 800 range. They don't want to price them so high that people would just throw up their hands and say 'forget it'. They Want people to buy the crates.

I‘d say 1000 gems is the limit. That’s already well over $100-150 for just a mount. People suggesting 2000 gems or more have no clue how expensive it is to get that much gems. And having something priced in that range in the item shop would result in a very bad reputation.

Well many people are ready to pay those prices so why in your opinion zos will lower them? If mounts are selling well for those money (and we know they do because crown crates are really popular and radiants are one of the main things for them) zos will not decrease the price too much.

Prof_Bawbag

Lugaldu wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

CC's were probably beginning to take a downward spiral sales wise and needed a new tactic to re invigorate the weary.

Maybe it would be already more attractive if the conversion of crown crate items into gems didn't have such a lousy ratio. At the same time, however, the cost of items for gems shouldn't increase either (the only things that interest me are sometimes furnishings, but they always cost at least 100 gems).

Don't think it's even about the ratio. Other games get slated for selling in game items at ridiculous prices (World of Tanks etc), but at least the price is set out. People can pay it or they can choose not to, but yeah, the price is fixed and openly advertised. No imaginary rng involved at all. Pricing a mount at £200 would still be better than what we currently have in-game. I wouldn't buy it, but it stops them from exploiting others.

DarkPicture

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furiouslog

Prior RA mounts have been offered for 600 gems, so I figured that'd be the price. Am I wrong about that? Not about what the cost should be, necessarily, but about the prior pricing.

The overall posted drop rate for the Apex category is 2%, compared to 14% for a legendary drop, but there are a lot more legendary drops. The gem price for specific drops is not a direct function of probability:

Fine Rewards- 72% - 5 gems
Superior Rewards - 86% - 16 gems
Epic Rewards - 21% - 140 gems
Legendary Rewards - 14% - 100 gems
Apex Rewards - 2%- 400 gems
Radiant Apex - ?? - ??

Anyway, food for thought.

EDIT: I was off a line when I first posted this, so I fixed it. I blame Excel.

Sevn

danno8 wrote: »

BrownChicken wrote: »

Many will not understand me ... But now everyone will have these apex mounts. What's the point?

Radiant Apex are the mark of a whale.

I'm curious as to why that even pops up in players heads. I have several of these, some from free crates, others from only buying a handful of crates. Pure luck.

danno8

Sevn wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

BrownChicken wrote: »

Many will not understand me ... But now everyone will have these apex mounts. What's the point?

Radiant Apex are the mark of a whale.

I'm curious as to why that even pops up in players heads. I have several of these, some from free crates, others from only buying a handful of crates. Pure luck.

Moonsorrow wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

BrownChicken wrote: »

Many will not understand me ... But now everyone will have these apex mounts. What's the point?

Radiant Apex are the mark of a whale.

Or just a lucky person too? I know several people who have got Radiant from a single or from a random 4 pack of crates that they buy once or twice per year without going full whale.

Statistics irrefutably says that the more crates you buy, the more Radiant Apexes you will get, on average, over time.

So sure, you might get lucky, and some do. But most won't.

I'm sure ZoS appreciates your mindset though

NotaDaedraWorshipper

WiseSky wrote: »

renne wrote: »

Cheyenne wrote: »

The timing is interesting. The $1400 stimulus checks should be arriving in people's bank accounts starting this week.

A classic example of how if you want to see something sinister in something you will.

Crowns for gold prices on Pc Na got to 80:1 when the first stimulus check dropped.

Crowns for gold are 400:1 now, I bet they will fall too when this check drops

Just my speculation

I wish the EU prices were that low!

Araneae6537

WiseSky wrote: »

renne wrote: »

Cheyenne wrote: »

The timing is interesting. The $1400 stimulus checks should be arriving in people's bank accounts starting this week.

A classic example of how if you want to see something sinister in something you will.

Crowns for gold prices on Pc Na got to 80:1 when the first stimulus check dropped.

Crowns for gold are 400:1 now, I bet they will fall too when this check drops

Just my speculation

Really? Wow, I didn’t realize they’d ever been that low on PC NA, at least not in the past two years! I thought a lot of the relatively higher current price was due to housing becoming giftable. It will be interesting to see if these next stimulus checks make a difference in price, especially if there is also a Crown sale and tax returns (in the U.S.) next month... 🤔

JKorr

I rarely buy crates, but it is nice that I will have the opportunity to fill out my senche collection. I'll never get the one you only get from perfect godslayer uber leet whatever, because I know I'll never "git gud" enough to earn it. Yes, I know people have paid for carries to win it. Yes, I know some people actually allowed someone else to log on to their account to play that dungeon for them to get it. The way I look at it though, is that it is a reward for in-game skills. If I didn't earn it, I didn't earn it.