Two-Handed / Stamina in PvP is completely out of control

Chrysa1is

It's so we can break through the shields people hide behind.

ArcVelarian

Buffing the Stamina based alternatives is the best way to balance this particular issue.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

The main reason so many stam players tend to use a 2H is the access to major brutality and for many classes this is their best way to gain cheap access to snare removal using Forward Momentum.

There are always going to be certain classes where their burst just works well with any weapons (Remember the old Stamden Spin to Win builds for example)

The issue is not in how strong 2H is, but in how weak DW and S+B tend to be as a main weapon option. People using S+B tend to be using it as a back bar defensive option or for the Reverb stun.

I think the best solution to this is to find ways to buff DW and S+B, but not in ways that cause their own major issues for the game.
Alternatively, ZOS could look at the stam and mag toons which tend to struggle more in PvP and find ways within their class skills or passives to buff them.

Seraphayel

Vlad9425 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Most Ball groups are 70% magicka builds and 30% Stam dudes with Whirling blades and you say a single target skill tree like 2H is the problem? Most people using 2H are solo or in very small scale groups and are skilled at the game so how does that warrant any kind of nerf to 2H?

Or is this just another case of someone who barely PvPs calling for nerfs? 🤔

If Stamina is highly usable in all forms of PVP, and Magicka is usable mostly only in ball groups, then that doesn't sound balanced. I was iffy before this post but it actually reinforced OP's point to me.

Like you've just dismissed them from like three quarters of pvp and that's supposed to indicate there's no issue?

Magicka IS usable in all forms of PvP

I think this isn’t really the point. Yes, Magicka is usable. The problem is the reward you get for it compared to 2h / stamina.

You can play MagDen, Magblade and Magcro without proc sets, but you’ll have a way harder time competing with anyone using 2h or a stamina build, because Magicka options are more limited (e.g. no execute from a non-class skill line) and in comparison oftentimes worse (more expensive, less damage and effects). 2h just seems to be way overloaded - one solution would be to bring DW in line and at the same time Magicka weapons / skill lines outside of classes. Or you just go over 2h again, compare them to the other skill lines and adjust 2h accordingly.

Goregrinder

Did you try binding dodge roll to a key?

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Seraphayel wrote: »

Title.

I absolutely do not understand how it is possible that Two-Handed and Stamina builds in general are still so incredibly overpowered. Stamina is reigning PvP in battlegrounds and Cyrodiil and it hasn’t changed in the last years. Unfortunately this hasn’t to do much with sets as Two-Handed in combination with some classes is just incredibly strong and dishes out tons of damage you can neither escape nor survive.

There’s a reason why most enemies you face in PvP are Stamina builds with two-handed weapons. On top of that come the usual Stamden or Stamcro which are out of control on their own and know basically no limits. Throw some Werewolves into the mix and you have Stamina builds completely dominating each mode of PvP. Yes, you’ll find some MagSorcs on top of it as they’re as strong as they’ve been in the last years, but it’s undeniable that Two-Hander is simply overperforming.

Why is nothing done against it? You can’t escape those builds as they just have their charge or pull ability. They have their super strong burst on top of the best spammable and one of the strongest executes in game. And if that’s not enough, just throw constant dodge rolling into the mix and you create the dominance of 2h Stamina builds we have for +2 years now. This needs to get fixed ASAP or other builds brought in line. There’s a reason why everybody and their mother is playing 2h Stamina.

(I‘m not mentioning tank builds as they’re heavily reliable on proc sets and this has been disabled for the next three months, at least - but yes, tank meta is / was as bad)

Rant over. Obligatory git gut.

#WhenDevsPlay2H

SshadowSscale

The 2h crowd won't allow adjustments to be made to 2h because other weapons are too weak yet when another weapon has something good going for it they immediately want it to get nerfed because nothing is allowed to be equal to 2h

Knockmaker

I would say it is the d-swing that is out of control. yes, despite that nerf a while ago, it is still overpowered/unbalanced compared to other 2h line skills.

Artorias24

SshadowSscale wrote: »

The 2h crowd won't allow adjustments to be made to 2h because other weapons are too weak yet when another weapon has something good going for it they immediately want it to get nerfed because nothing is allowed to be equal to 2h

Oh i would love to use my old Loved Heroic/Reverb again but damage from this is a meme against anyone who wears armor.

Someone at ZOS decided it makes sense that the s&b spammable is a shield bash that is super wonky to use.

Skulls and Scythe from necro are bad and look bad too. Stone poop is a meme too and flappy birds for warden are everything besides a good spammable.

Vlad9425

SshadowSscale wrote: »

The 2h crowd won't allow adjustments to be made to 2h because other weapons are too weak yet when another weapon has something good going for it they immediately want it to get nerfed because nothing is allowed to be equal to 2h

Some classes are completely unplayable without 2h in a competitive environment so why would anyone in their right mind want 2h nerfed?

Seraphayel

Vlad9425 wrote: »

SshadowSscale wrote: »

The 2h crowd won't allow adjustments to be made to 2h because other weapons are too weak yet when another weapon has something good going for it they immediately want it to get nerfed because nothing is allowed to be equal to 2h

Some classes are completely unplayable without 2h in a competitive environment so why would anyone in their right mind want 2h nerfed?

How about getting everything else in line then? Seems like a similar issue with proc sets where some classes just need them to perform competitively. The problem is, Stamina is already the way better option for PvP. And having the most OP PvP weapon on top of it doesn’t help, it just makes the problems worse.

SHOW

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Some classes are completely unplayable without 2h in a competitive environment so why would anyone in their right mind want 2h nerfed?

This is like the SelfAwareWolves subreddit.

He's so close to getting it... lol

Just to help spur this along, when u say adding "2H makes previously unplayable classes, competitive" it sounds like u understand that 2H is, to put it mildly a good choice.

tho more accurately, hands down the best weapon skill line for pvp.

Which is exactly OP's point.

Very related note: mag classes do not have access to 2H.

Firstmep

SHOW wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Some classes are completely unplayable without 2h in a competitive environment so why would anyone in their right mind want 2h nerfed?

This is like the SelfAwareWolves subreddit.

He's so close to getting it... lol

Just to help spur this along, when u say adding "2H makes previously unplayable classes, competitive" it sounds like u understand that 2H is, to put it mildly a good choice.

tho more accurately, hands down the best weapon skill line for pvp.

Which is exactly OP's point.

Very related note: mag classes do not have access to 2H.

2h builds are some of the most predictable ones out there, in the old days wrecking blow would kcock up, have more dmg and give a buff that gave your next attack a 20% increase. All of that is gone nowadays.

Dizzy builds generally require you to be able to be somewhat beefy, there's a reason why you don't see many stamblades or stamplars with dizzy for example.

Having access to an execute is definetly a big deal in pvp, IMHO destro staff should have one as well no contest there. I mean a real one, not whatever impulse is trying to be.

Rally is very bugged atm, but it's also the only way for many Stam classes to burst heal, while most mag classes have some built in option like coag, breath etc.

I don't think 2h is out of this world op, it's a skill line that was designed from the ground up with pvp in mind, no suprise it does well there.

It does fill in the gaps for the weaknesses the Stam spec generally would have.
Half Stam classes don't have a good spammable, no burst heal, no execute.
Stam has always relied on weapons for these things, you can just start taking away these tools without compensating them elsewhere.

TwinLamps

Seraphayel wrote: »

e.gamemarkb14_ESO wrote: »

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Okay, please enlighten me on how to dodge or defend against someone spamming 2h abilities all while class abilities like Blastbones, Assault etc. are coming in between - I can’t get away as I am snared, trapped, stunned - even if I manage to get away, a gap closer will bring them instantly to me again (and will stun me or deal damage, on top of that). Sure, I am able to dodge roll, but how often? As a non-Stamina build you need your Stamina to break free. Blocking barely helps. So at best I can get one or maybe two dodge rolls into the mix, all while I still have to face them because I can’t get away.

What are my options? I can’t kill them because next to their massive damage they have very high self-healing and can constantly dodge roll (more than I can) because all of their skills are cheaper than Magicka-counterparts and their Stamina regen is way higher than mine. So yes, if it’s a L2P issue, tell me how to play and win against them.

Some other arguments in this thread:

1. I specifically mentioned MagSorc as a spec that’s always been performing very good. It’s the only Magicka spec to do so since launch. So please don’t bring up MagSorc as an argument to counter my statement on 2h being too strong.

2. Why bringing ball groups / zergs into this? Every class and spec is strong when it comes in a huge zerg. It doesn’t matter if you face 10 Magicka and 10 Stamina builds in a zerg or 15 Magicka and 5 Stamina. A zerg is a zerg, winning with overwhelming the enemy is the credo here.

3. Magicka builds don’t have a strong execute and spammable like 2h. Force Pulse compared to DS is the loser in almost every scenario, Executioner for Magicka builds isn’t existing. Classes have to rely on their own Magicka spammables (most of which are worse than DS) or executes (and 3 classes don’t have class executes at all). Paired with the high mobility Magicka builds have almost no way to keep distance to melees, in this case 2h players.

4. Hitting in melee range is always easier than hitting from casting range, even concerning the lag that’s plaguing all of us. Many projectiles can easily be blocked or dodge rolled as they’re highly telegraphed - good luck telling apart melee animations when you’re not fighting 1vs1. Plus melee range often isn’t even melee range due to the desync and delays. You often get hit by melee attacks (DS and Executioner in this case) when you’re already 7-10m away from your enemy. This shouldn’t be the case.

All I’ve read here are people telling others to git gud or learn to play, but I haven’t seen many responses directly talking about the huge advantages of 2h Stamina builds in PvP. There’s a reason why it’s the most played build in PvP and it’s not because everyone just loves the fantasy of being a fighter with a huge twohander. It’s because 2h / Stamina is really strong and very forgiving when it comes to execution.

Basically, you want to play group build magicka char and perform well against solo/small scale stam specs in 1v1.

Im sorry to inform you that is pretty much not how you play and survive.

Good day to you.

SshadowSscale

Firstmep wrote: »

SHOW wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Some classes are completely unplayable without 2h in a competitive environment so why would anyone in their right mind want 2h nerfed?

This is like the SelfAwareWolves subreddit.

He's so close to getting it... lol

Just to help spur this along, when u say adding "2H makes previously unplayable classes, competitive" it sounds like u understand that 2H is, to put it mildly a good choice.

tho more accurately, hands down the best weapon skill line for pvp.

Which is exactly OP's point.

Very related note: mag classes do not have access to 2H.

2h builds are some of the most predictable ones out there, in the old days wrecking blow would kcock up, have more dmg and give a buff that gave your next attack a 20% increase. All of that is gone nowadays.

Dizzy builds generally require you to be able to be somewhat beefy, there's a reason why you don't see many stamblades or stamplars with dizzy for example.

Having access to an execute is definetly a big deal in pvp, IMHO destro staff should have one as well no contest there. I mean a real one, not whatever impulse is trying to be.

Rally is very bugged atm, but it's also the only way for many Stam classes to burst heal, while most mag classes have some built in option like coag, breath etc.

I don't think 2h is out of this world op, it's a skill line that was designed from the ground up with pvp in mind, no suprise it does well there.

It does fill in the gaps for the weaknesses the Stam spec generally would have.
Half Stam classes don't have a good spammable, no burst heal, no execute.
Stam has always relied on weapons for these things, you can just start taking away these tools without compensating them elsewhere.

and half of the mag classes also don't have a decent spammable or an execute..... and if they do have an execute its nothing compared to executionor...... my point being y'all complain about 2h being the only viable weapon but as soon as another weapon gets something that seems to work and is viable you all scream for it to get nerfed because suddenly something is competeting against 2h..... and on another note yeah 2h had its nerfs but the exact same can be said for other weapon who has also gotten some big time nerfs yet 2h players act like their weapon is the only one that got nerfed in the past......

Firstmep

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

SHOW wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Some classes are completely unplayable without 2h in a competitive environment so why would anyone in their right mind want 2h nerfed?

This is like the SelfAwareWolves subreddit.

He's so close to getting it... lol

Just to help spur this along, when u say adding "2H makes previously unplayable classes, competitive" it sounds like u understand that 2H is, to put it mildly a good choice.

tho more accurately, hands down the best weapon skill line for pvp.

Which is exactly OP's point.

Very related note: mag classes do not have access to 2H.

2h builds are some of the most predictable ones out there, in the old days wrecking blow would kcock up, have more dmg and give a buff that gave your next attack a 20% increase. All of that is gone nowadays.

Dizzy builds generally require you to be able to be somewhat beefy, there's a reason why you don't see many stamblades or stamplars with dizzy for example.

Having access to an execute is definetly a big deal in pvp, IMHO destro staff should have one as well no contest there. I mean a real one, not whatever impulse is trying to be.

Rally is very bugged atm, but it's also the only way for many Stam classes to burst heal, while most mag classes have some built in option like coag, breath etc.

I don't think 2h is out of this world op, it's a skill line that was designed from the ground up with pvp in mind, no suprise it does well there.

It does fill in the gaps for the weaknesses the Stam spec generally would have.
Half Stam classes don't have a good spammable, no burst heal, no execute.
Stam has always relied on weapons for these things, you can just start taking away these tools without compensating them elsewhere.

and half of the mag classes also don't have a decent spammable or an execute..... and if they do have an execute its nothing compared to executionor...... my point being y'all complain about 2h being the only viable weapon but as soon as another weapon gets something that seems to work and is viable you all scream for it to get nerfed because suddenly something is competeting against 2h..... and on another note yeah 2h had its nerfs but the exact same can be said for other weapon who has also gotten some big time nerfs yet 2h players act like their weapon is the only one that got nerfed in the past......

Please read my comment properly before replying.
I specifically stated that I think destro staff needs a good spammable for example...
My point is that rather then nerfing everything to the lowest common denominator, we should instead buff weaker playstyles.

SshadowSscale

Firstmep wrote: »

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

SHOW wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Some classes are completely unplayable without 2h in a competitive environment so why would anyone in their right mind want 2h nerfed?

This is like the SelfAwareWolves subreddit.

He's so close to getting it... lol

Just to help spur this along, when u say adding "2H makes previously unplayable classes, competitive" it sounds like u understand that 2H is, to put it mildly a good choice.

tho more accurately, hands down the best weapon skill line for pvp.

Which is exactly OP's point.

Very related note: mag classes do not have access to 2H.

2h builds are some of the most predictable ones out there, in the old days wrecking blow would kcock up, have more dmg and give a buff that gave your next attack a 20% increase. All of that is gone nowadays.

Dizzy builds generally require you to be able to be somewhat beefy, there's a reason why you don't see many stamblades or stamplars with dizzy for example.

Having access to an execute is definetly a big deal in pvp, IMHO destro staff should have one as well no contest there. I mean a real one, not whatever impulse is trying to be.

Rally is very bugged atm, but it's also the only way for many Stam classes to burst heal, while most mag classes have some built in option like coag, breath etc.

I don't think 2h is out of this world op, it's a skill line that was designed from the ground up with pvp in mind, no suprise it does well there.

It does fill in the gaps for the weaknesses the Stam spec generally would have.
Half Stam classes don't have a good spammable, no burst heal, no execute.
Stam has always relied on weapons for these things, you can just start taking away these tools without compensating them elsewhere.

and half of the mag classes also don't have a decent spammable or an execute..... and if they do have an execute its nothing compared to executionor...... my point being y'all complain about 2h being the only viable weapon but as soon as another weapon gets something that seems to work and is viable you all scream for it to get nerfed because suddenly something is competeting against 2h..... and on another note yeah 2h had its nerfs but the exact same can be said for other weapon who has also gotten some big time nerfs yet 2h players act like their weapon is the only one that got nerfed in the past......

Please read my comment properly before replying.
I specifically stated that I think destro staff needs a good spammable for example...
My point is that rather then nerfing everything to the lowest common denominator, we should instead buff weaker playstyles.

And my point being as soon as another weapon gets a buff to make it competitive with 2h the 2h crowd will cry out against it as has happened before.... anything that is not 2h is not allowed to be made viable

TwinLamps

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

SHOW wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Some classes are completely unplayable without 2h in a competitive environment so why would anyone in their right mind want 2h nerfed?

This is like the SelfAwareWolves subreddit.

He's so close to getting it... lol

Just to help spur this along, when u say adding "2H makes previously unplayable classes, competitive" it sounds like u understand that 2H is, to put it mildly a good choice.

tho more accurately, hands down the best weapon skill line for pvp.

Which is exactly OP's point.

Very related note: mag classes do not have access to 2H.

2h builds are some of the most predictable ones out there, in the old days wrecking blow would kcock up, have more dmg and give a buff that gave your next attack a 20% increase. All of that is gone nowadays.

Dizzy builds generally require you to be able to be somewhat beefy, there's a reason why you don't see many stamblades or stamplars with dizzy for example.

Having access to an execute is definetly a big deal in pvp, IMHO destro staff should have one as well no contest there. I mean a real one, not whatever impulse is trying to be.

Rally is very bugged atm, but it's also the only way for many Stam classes to burst heal, while most mag classes have some built in option like coag, breath etc.

I don't think 2h is out of this world op, it's a skill line that was designed from the ground up with pvp in mind, no suprise it does well there.

It does fill in the gaps for the weaknesses the Stam spec generally would have.
Half Stam classes don't have a good spammable, no burst heal, no execute.
Stam has always relied on weapons for these things, you can just start taking away these tools without compensating them elsewhere.

and half of the mag classes also don't have a decent spammable or an execute..... and if they do have an execute its nothing compared to executionor...... my point being y'all complain about 2h being the only viable weapon but as soon as another weapon gets something that seems to work and is viable you all scream for it to get nerfed because suddenly something is competeting against 2h..... and on another note yeah 2h had its nerfs but the exact same can be said for other weapon who has also gotten some big time nerfs yet 2h players act like their weapon is the only one that got nerfed in the past......

Please read my comment properly before replying.
I specifically stated that I think destro staff needs a good spammable for example...
My point is that rather then nerfing everything to the lowest common denominator, we should instead buff weaker playstyles.

And my point being as soon as another weapon gets a buff to make it competitive with 2h the 2h crowd will cry out against it as has happened before.... anything that is not 2h is not allowed to be made viable

S&B was viable.
Ppl here cried it to oblivion.
DW was mandatory for few patches.
Rivers of tears were shed here until it was nerfed.
2h is last solid thing left for stamina.
And it was nerfed more than once so far as well.

Chilly-McFreeze

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

SHOW wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Some classes are completely unplayable without 2h in a competitive environment so why would anyone in their right mind want 2h nerfed?

This is like the SelfAwareWolves subreddit.

He's so close to getting it... lol

Just to help spur this along, when u say adding "2H makes previously unplayable classes, competitive" it sounds like u understand that 2H is, to put it mildly a good choice.

tho more accurately, hands down the best weapon skill line for pvp.

Which is exactly OP's point.

Very related note: mag classes do not have access to 2H.

2h builds are some of the most predictable ones out there, in the old days wrecking blow would kcock up, have more dmg and give a buff that gave your next attack a 20% increase. All of that is gone nowadays.

Dizzy builds generally require you to be able to be somewhat beefy, there's a reason why you don't see many stamblades or stamplars with dizzy for example.

Having access to an execute is definetly a big deal in pvp, IMHO destro staff should have one as well no contest there. I mean a real one, not whatever impulse is trying to be.

Rally is very bugged atm, but it's also the only way for many Stam classes to burst heal, while most mag classes have some built in option like coag, breath etc.

I don't think 2h is out of this world op, it's a skill line that was designed from the ground up with pvp in mind, no suprise it does well there.

It does fill in the gaps for the weaknesses the Stam spec generally would have.
Half Stam classes don't have a good spammable, no burst heal, no execute.
Stam has always relied on weapons for these things, you can just start taking away these tools without compensating them elsewhere.

and half of the mag classes also don't have a decent spammable or an execute..... and if they do have an execute its nothing compared to executionor...... my point being y'all complain about 2h being the only viable weapon but as soon as another weapon gets something that seems to work and is viable you all scream for it to get nerfed because suddenly something is competeting against 2h..... and on another note yeah 2h had its nerfs but the exact same can be said for other weapon who has also gotten some big time nerfs yet 2h players act like their weapon is the only one that got nerfed in the past......

Please read my comment properly before replying.
I specifically stated that I think destro staff needs a good spammable for example...
My point is that rather then nerfing everything to the lowest common denominator, we should instead buff weaker playstyles.

And my point being as soon as another weapon gets a buff to make it competitive with 2h the 2h crowd will cry out against it as has happened before.... anything that is not 2h is not allowed to be made viable

How do you come up with this?

All I see stam players complaining about is how ZOS butchered SnB and DW.

finehair

it's not that dizzy is OP
it's the light armor makes you take more damage from melee attacks while you already have low resistances.
Heavy armor taking more damage from magic attacks don't change much in the long run, since it is build to tank damage and recover hp.
light armor on the other hand, is mostly offensive and build to move quickly-recover magicka.
But since your stam pool is low you can't even outrun a stamina heavy armor build with gapclosers and major expedition and get trampled by the pain train. Sure you can hit hard from distance, until the guy blocks all your projectiles because you can literally see them coming and then crit strikes to your face.

SshadowSscale

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

SHOW wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Some classes are completely unplayable without 2h in a competitive environment so why would anyone in their right mind want 2h nerfed?

This is like the SelfAwareWolves subreddit.

He's so close to getting it... lol

Just to help spur this along, when u say adding "2H makes previously unplayable classes, competitive" it sounds like u understand that 2H is, to put it mildly a good choice.

tho more accurately, hands down the best weapon skill line for pvp.

Which is exactly OP's point.

Very related note: mag classes do not have access to 2H.

2h builds are some of the most predictable ones out there, in the old days wrecking blow would kcock up, have more dmg and give a buff that gave your next attack a 20% increase. All of that is gone nowadays.

Dizzy builds generally require you to be able to be somewhat beefy, there's a reason why you don't see many stamblades or stamplars with dizzy for example.

Having access to an execute is definetly a big deal in pvp, IMHO destro staff should have one as well no contest there. I mean a real one, not whatever impulse is trying to be.

Rally is very bugged atm, but it's also the only way for many Stam classes to burst heal, while most mag classes have some built in option like coag, breath etc.

I don't think 2h is out of this world op, it's a skill line that was designed from the ground up with pvp in mind, no suprise it does well there.

It does fill in the gaps for the weaknesses the Stam spec generally would have.
Half Stam classes don't have a good spammable, no burst heal, no execute.
Stam has always relied on weapons for these things, you can just start taking away these tools without compensating them elsewhere.

and half of the mag classes also don't have a decent spammable or an execute..... and if they do have an execute its nothing compared to executionor...... my point being y'all complain about 2h being the only viable weapon but as soon as another weapon gets something that seems to work and is viable you all scream for it to get nerfed because suddenly something is competeting against 2h..... and on another note yeah 2h had its nerfs but the exact same can be said for other weapon who has also gotten some big time nerfs yet 2h players act like their weapon is the only one that got nerfed in the past......

Please read my comment properly before replying.
I specifically stated that I think destro staff needs a good spammable for example...
My point is that rather then nerfing everything to the lowest common denominator, we should instead buff weaker playstyles.

And my point being as soon as another weapon gets a buff to make it competitive with 2h the 2h crowd will cry out against it as has happened before.... anything that is not 2h is not allowed to be made viable

How do you come up with this?

All I see stam players complaining about is how ZOS butchered SnB and DW.

same players asked for it to be nerfed too with her is funny as heck

Mayrael

It's not about 2h being OP, it's about it being reliable - don't nerf it, give magicka users universal execution skill like 2h Executioner just make it ranged but scale up to 300% (not 400% like executioner does), give magicka classes universal self buff with major sorcery, give magicka classes universal gap closer and boom all good.

FlukeTU

Sarousse wrote: »

Stam out of control ? LOL.



14k on 23k resists with the right champion points and 2300 resist crit.

FACT

SshadowSscale

FlukeTU wrote: »

Sarousse wrote: »

Stam out of control ? LOL.



14k on 23k resists with the right champion points and 2300 resist crit.

FACT

ah there it is..... 2h is allowed to be better than anything else in the game because sorc is good lmao..... this is now a nerf sorc thread

Vlad9425

Seraphayel wrote: »

Vlad9425 wrote: »

SshadowSscale wrote: »

The 2h crowd won't allow adjustments to be made to 2h because other weapons are too weak yet when another weapon has something good going for it they immediately want it to get nerfed because nothing is allowed to be equal to 2h

Some classes are completely unplayable without 2h in a competitive environment so why would anyone in their right mind want 2h nerfed?

How about getting everything else in line then? Seems like a similar issue with proc sets where some classes just need them to perform competitively. The problem is, Stamina is already the way better option for PvP. And having the most OP PvP weapon on top of it doesn’t help, it just makes the problems worse.

Sorry but if you think Stam is the better option for PvP when there’s literally Magicka groups in Cyrodiil destroying entire zergs then there’s no reasonable discussion to be had here. 2h is an entirely single target skill tree and it’s supposed to be useful in 1v1 or small scale situations so calling for nerfs like OP is doing to a skill tree that functions well at what it’s supposed to is just completely wrong.

MurderMostFoul

Simple solution:
Give DW better Major Brut and spammable.

SnB/Bow can stay as is. I don't mind them as support/niche options rather than main stam damage options.

Mayrael

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Simple solution:
Give DW better Major Brut and spammable.

SnB/Bow can stay as is. I don't mind them as support/niche options rather than main stam damage options.

Better solution. Give magicka access to universal execute, gap closer and major sorcery.

Chilly-McFreeze

Mayrael wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Simple solution:
Give DW better Major Brut and spammable.

SnB/Bow can stay as is. I don't mind them as support/niche options rather than main stam damage options.

Better solution. Give magicka access to universal execute, gap closer and major sorcery.

One doesn't exclude the other.

If you exclusively bring Destro (or whatever) up to speed the "hurr durr, every stam I meet that kills me is a Dizzy Bot" cries will continue.

Begs the question which mag class that doesn't already has one needs an universal gap closer? @Mayrael
I'd rather see Empowering Chains buffed (to not be treated as a projectile).

E: not to be picky, but degeneration is more of an universal source of major sorcery than Rally is one for brutality, as it doesn't binds you to a weapon.

Joy_Division

2H is what every weapon-line should be. Good mix of decent skills, solid utility, specialized abilities to fill out the holes in classes.