PS5 player and the walls caving in...

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

I find it bewildering that they don't offer you console players a transfer to any platform of your choice, especially if your client history is long and you have invested personally into 'their' production.

I'd say, don't do it. If they can't provide a proper switch or incentive/reward for you to continue because of issues/future doubts/bugs on your current gaming system, why the hassle?

trackdemon5512

Youyouz06 wrote: »

I find it bewildering that they don't offer you console players a transfer to any platform of your choice, especially if your client history is long and you have invested personally into 'their' production.

I'd say, don't do it. If they can't provide a proper switch or incentive/reward for you to continue because of issues/future doubts/bugs on your current gaming system, why the hassle?

It’s impossible to implement a transfer. Wayyyyy too much in terms of items, stats, housing, gear, etc per toon to account. It was possible to transfer from PC to Console at the outset because the databases were empty. But now I can’t even imagine how badly fragmented and a mess they are now. And you want to transfer data from one server to another? You’re basically asking to have your account wiped.

LadyLethalla

I would restart if they ever brought an Oceanic server online...

jircris11

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Honestly, after watching the Bethesda and Xbox Roundtable, I kinda feel like in 3 years having eso on PS5 going to be more trouble than not. I've invested so much on ESO on the Playstation console but if ZeniMax and its future outside of ESO are gonna be leaning towards XBOX and PC going forward...then why have a PS5? I mostly play Bethesda Games and I'm trying to not have multiple consoles. I have a Gaming PC...but I know they not gonna let me transfer my PS account to PC or XBOX. In a sense, I'm trapped or start completely over with achievements and all.

So is XBOX and PC bethesda like games in 4 years and Sony PS like anime, Final Fantasy like games? I am more of a role-playing game kinda guy. I dont like playing multiple elder scrolls games on different systems. The reason why I got a gaming PC is because PS doesnt allow mods BUT xbox do...

What should I do yall?

Start over ESO on PC? Only other games I play on PS5 right now is ESO, Destiny, Warframe and Genshin Impact...

What would you do? Does anyone else feel like they being spread thin between the console wars?

If you start over on pc na ping me. @ki'rah ill help you out.

@jircris11 I just bookmarked this!!! Thank you I might hold you to this offer if I do it!

No problem. Have helped ppl from xb and ps transition over in the past.

BuzzZaw60

As a PS4 player who has been away for a long time...thank you for starting this post even though it's a bit old...BUT...I feel due to the uncertainity of the future for us PS4 Players...this should be a "STICKY"....

We have a the Shadow of M.S above us with us having everything to lose while PC and XB Players have everything to gain....just like the OP, I have doubts and concerns as should I even continue to play, invest time and a monthly fee withj all the uncertainity out there on the future of ESO....

Yes, bethesda has pretty much stated they'll continue to support and somehow PS4 will still be able to play...BUT...for how long? What 'IF"...M.S just puts their "We're the Boss and ESO6 will be PC and XB Only" foot down...well logically there's no-way Bethesda can support both ESO5 and ESO6 so obvious PS4 players will fade into the sunset at one point...

Andd yes, M.S didn't dish out a few Billion $$$ for Bethesda to continue share all games especially upcoming and new ones with everyone and every console out there....BUT...at the same time they're no fools as to the possible amount of lost revenue going the way of "Exclusive to XB and PC Only"...sorry but you're not going to see a few million PS4 Players just bail for a game or two...

As for now, I'm torn as to starting up again...I'm around CP790 with five characters...I closed my ESO Plus several months back after the announcement of M.S Buying Bethesda and played the waiting -to-hear-more-details game which for now leaving all PS4 Players hanging by a thread....which we don't like one bit. I thought about going to PC and even with a XBox 360 I still play thru PC and have my XBox Gold still going...but I'm deep in with what I have and accomplished so for now waiting and watching...

Seraphayel

Microsoft said that multiplatform games that already exist will still be supported - this means ESO on PlayStation will get the same support as ESO on Xbox.

TES6 on the other hand doesn’t exist yet and will most likely be a PC / Xbox exclusive game.

You shouldn’t really worry about ESO at this point.

B0SSzombie

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Youyouz06 wrote: »

I find it bewildering that they don't offer you console players a transfer to any platform of your choice, especially if your client history is long and you have invested personally into 'their' production.

I'd say, don't do it. If they can't provide a proper switch or incentive/reward for you to continue because of issues/future doubts/bugs on your current gaming system, why the hassle?

It’s impossible to implement a transfer. Wayyyyy too much in terms of items, stats, housing, gear, etc per toon to account. It was possible to transfer from PC to Console at the outset because the databases were empty. But now I can’t even imagine how badly fragmented and a mess they are now. And you want to transfer data from one server to another? You’re basically asking to have your account wiped.

If GTA Online could do it, ESO sure as hell can.

It's entirely possible that when the "Next Gen" versions release, we'll see the exact same kind of "one-time transfer" option to any possible system that GTAO had.

trackdemon5512

B0SSzombie wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Youyouz06 wrote: »

I find it bewildering that they don't offer you console players a transfer to any platform of your choice, especially if your client history is long and you have invested personally into 'their' production.

I'd say, don't do it. If they can't provide a proper switch or incentive/reward for you to continue because of issues/future doubts/bugs on your current gaming system, why the hassle?

It’s impossible to implement a transfer. Wayyyyy too much in terms of items, stats, housing, gear, etc per toon to account. It was possible to transfer from PC to Console at the outset because the databases were empty. But now I can’t even imagine how badly fragmented and a mess they are now. And you want to transfer data from one server to another? You’re basically asking to have your account wiped.

If GTA Online could do it, ESO sure as hell can.

It's entirely possible that when the "Next Gen" versions release, we'll see the exact same kind of "one-time transfer" option to any possible system that GTAO had.

The next gen versions are using the exact same servers. So PS4 NA will really be PS4/PS5 NA and so forth. Nothing to transfer over

Kiralyn2000

BuzzZaw60 wrote: »

We have a the Shadow of M.S above us with us having everything to lose while PC and XB Players have everything to gain....just like the OP, I have doubts and concerns as should I even continue to play, invest time and a monthly fee withj all the uncertainity out there on the future of ESO....

MS bought Minecraft for billions. And continued to sell it on every platform it could possibly go on. There's no need for Doom™ about the future of ESO on Playstation. There's an established playerbase and an established cashflow. There's no reason at all for MS to stop running ESO on PS4/5.

(they want new titles for the "console exclusive! Buy our system!" thing. Old games that have been out for a few years are not a "must buy that console!" draw. Not a source of Hype.)

Eedat

penguin_zombies wrote: »

ESO is a constant revenue source, so odds are it would be a boon to MS to keep the game alive and healthy on PS. They're a corporation first and foremost, and they'll do what will make the most sense economically. It's why Minecraft is on PS4.

That said, if for whatever reason they do shut things down on PS, I really hope they let us do account transfers.

But the most economical thing to do may be going Xbox exclusive. Before Bethesda had no skin in the console game so it made sense to get on as many platforms as possible. However now Microsoft is making those calls and obviously have much to gain from selling more Xboxes. It's not just the sale of one game. It leads to many other sales due to already having the console.

It's kinda up in the air for now. Another thing that may happen is that they release it for Xbox/PC first then release it for PS5 a year later or so. They get the best of both worlds then. The people who would cave and get an Xbox would have done it by then then they get to mop up the PS sales afterwards

renne

I honestly think a lot of the really big titles will be timed exclusives. MS loves money a much as anyone else and selling it to PS players means you get to sell the game at full price (which you're not getting by putting it on Game Pass) all over again a whole year later.

Also given how notoriously buggy Bethesday games are, hopefully by the time it came to PS it'd be stable or there'd be known workarounds

Oceans_Arcana

Shardaxx wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

They said "some" bethesda titles are gonna be xbox/pc only, if ES6 is one of them then I'm sorely tempted to get an Xbox instead of a PS5. What does it mean for eso? Probably nothing, I can't see them pulling the PS servers down, but if there is ever a sequel to eso, then it might well be xbox only. Time will tell but its definitely looking like xbox is the console to get if you like bethesda's games.

What they said: all current titles that are available on other consoles than the Xbox and PC will still get updates etc. But all of the upcoming new games (e.g. new Fallout, Elder Scrolls titles, Starfield etc.) will be exclusive to Xbox and PC (and everywhere where Gamepass is).

ESO won’t be affected as it’s a cross-console game already and will be supported as such.

I‘m pretty sure Microsoft will allow Zenimax to provide / port games on the Nintendo Switch as they’ve done in the past, but Sony / PlayStation won’t get any new Zenimax games in the futures - which makes sense after a $7.5 billion acquisition.

No that's not what they said. They said:

"With the addition of the Bethesda creative teams, gamers should know that Xbox consoles, PC, and Game Pass will be the best place to experience new Bethesda games, including SOME new titles in the future that will be exclusive to Xbox and PC players."

Some. Not all. Some.

Seraphayel is referring to a more recent quote than you. You are quoting what Microsoft said before the Bethesda showcase event. What Phil Spencer said *at* the event was:

So obviously I can’t sit here and say every Bethesda game is exclusive, because we know that’s not true. There’s contractual obligations that we’re going to see through, as we always do in every one of these instances. We have games that exist on other platforms, and we’re gonna go support those games on the platforms they’re on. There’s communities of players and we love those communities and we’ll continue to invest in them. And even in the future there might be things that have contractual things, or legacy on different platforms that we’ll go do. But if you’re an Xbox customer, the thing I want you to know is that this is about delivering great exclusive games for you that ship on platforms where Game Pass exists. That’s our goal, that’s why we’re doing this, that’s the root of this partnership that we’re building.

If you read/listen to that and think "Elder Scrolls 6 is coming to Playstation 5", you're probably in the minority. Almost every gaming journal has reported this as games that are already out will still receive future support (like 76 and ESO), all existing contracts will be honored (like Deathloop), and all future titles will be Game Pass exclusive (everything, from Starfield to ES6 to whatever they dream up next).

There's a lot of arguments that this is leaving "money on the table that they need to make back for their investment", but it sounds like Microsoft views that money as a short term loss that's worth it to grow Game Pass subscription numbers. And despite "losing" the PS5 market, these games are now gaining the mobile markets via Game Pass too. I'm in the Android Game Pass beta (are we still calling it beta?) and while I didn't really love ESO on my phone, Tomb Raider and Skyrim performed absolutely great and I am 100% sure the future of console games is kids playing them on their phones as they ride the bus to school.

volkeswagon wrote: »

You think you miss understood. ESO is already on Playstation and always will be. It's the new games that haven't been developed yet that may be exclusive to Microsoft. I will not buy an xbox ever so if it's not on Playstation i just won't be playing it. ES 6 maybe exclusive and if it is then the oh well. I won't give Microsoft my money. A Microsoft PC will slow to a crawl after 5 years even if you do nothing but install their updates. Install Linux on the same PC and watch your speed return .

1995 called and wants it's Windows XP computer back. Windows 10 for a workstation OS is highly performant and as far as gaming is concerned much better positioned for driver compatibility (and that your game will actually support the platform). A Ubuntu 20.04 or ArchLinux machine isn't going to clock substantially better anything than Windows 10 on the same machine unless you go back several generations of hardware and compare to an older WinNT OS. That's not to say there's not great reasons to run linux from a server or development perspective, but workstation and gaming performance hasn't been one of them for almost a decade.

linuxlady wrote: »

xbox and ps both run posix type oses so there's no reason to exclude one over the other except to be a jerk.

It's true that posix means it's possible but it's a misrepresentation to say there's no reason to exclude one over the other except to be a big jerk. While there's little real cost to porting a PS5 game to PC/XBox, there is a development cost to going in the other direction.

On the OS side, XBox runs on several tiered OS layers; a hardware layer running a modified version of Hyper-V (nano-visor), which itself hosts a lightly stripped Windows (shared device / service layer) and a heavily stripped Windows (gaming layer). Games designed for Windows would run pretty seamlessly on the gaming layer, but there's no layer to accommodate linux games. Technically, they could make the nano-visor support linux vm's (clearly modern versions of hyper-v already do this) but retooling their nano-visor may (A) not be a small task and (B) still leave a bunch of issues for linux games communicating with the windows-run shared device and service layer. Being posix compatible means porting is definitely possible but that doesn't necessarily make it non-trivial or cheap to do.

On the game development side, because Xbox has real Windows shared libraries, games designed for PC don't need to embed their whole library in the game to work on Xbox. Because PS5 doesn't have windows shared libraries, XBox games would have to have their libraries embedded in order for them to run on PS5 and mapped to equivalent linux functions. This is not trivial. Some of this is taken care of by DE's but not all. In the opposite scenario, because PS5 games are designed on PC prior to having their libraries embedded, they could be easily ported to Xbox.

mb10

considering how many more people bought ps4 than xbox, not focusing on the playstation market would be the most stupid financial move ever.

Makes no sense what so ever and in gaming today there are so many competitiors game wise, people will just play another game.

Bethesda have had a torrid reputation lately, whos going to pay £400+ on a new console just to play their game that may follow same path with fallout 76?

Alpharos7

There is no logical rationale for making TES 6 Xbox exclusive, the demand for the game is huge and let's be honest, the Series X is an inferior console to the PS5. TES 6 will be a massive money spinner and it would make sense for it to be released on as many platforms as possible. People are reading into all these interviews way too much.

Starfield on the other hand will be version exclusive. No doubt about it. As for ESO, they have already said they will continue to support it on PS, and they are bringing out a next gen version on PS5. So nothing to worry about there.

Cundu_Ertur

Oceans_Arcana wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

They said "some" bethesda titles are gonna be xbox/pc only, if ES6 is one of them then I'm sorely tempted to get an Xbox instead of a PS5. What does it mean for eso? Probably nothing, I can't see them pulling the PS servers down, but if there is ever a sequel to eso, then it might well be xbox only. Time will tell but its definitely looking like xbox is the console to get if you like bethesda's games.

What they said: all current titles that are available on other consoles than the Xbox and PC will still get updates etc. But all of the upcoming new games (e.g. new Fallout, Elder Scrolls titles, Starfield etc.) will be exclusive to Xbox and PC (and everywhere where Gamepass is).

ESO won’t be affected as it’s a cross-console game already and will be supported as such.

I‘m pretty sure Microsoft will allow Zenimax to provide / port games on the Nintendo Switch as they’ve done in the past, but Sony / PlayStation won’t get any new Zenimax games in the futures - which makes sense after a $7.5 billion acquisition.

No that's not what they said. They said:

"With the addition of the Bethesda creative teams, gamers should know that Xbox consoles, PC, and Game Pass will be the best place to experience new Bethesda games, including SOME new titles in the future that will be exclusive to Xbox and PC players."

Some. Not all. Some.

Seraphayel is referring to a more recent quote than you. You are quoting what Microsoft said before the Bethesda showcase event. What Phil Spencer said *at* the event was:

So obviously I can’t sit here and say every Bethesda game is exclusive, because we know that’s not true. There’s contractual obligations that we’re going to see through, as we always do in every one of these instances. We have games that exist on other platforms, and we’re gonna go support those games on the platforms they’re on. There’s communities of players and we love those communities and we’ll continue to invest in them. And even in the future there might be things that have contractual things, or legacy on different platforms that we’ll go do. But if you’re an Xbox customer, the thing I want you to know is that this is about delivering great exclusive games for you that ship on platforms where Game Pass exists. That’s our goal, that’s why we’re doing this, that’s the root of this partnership that we’re building.

If you read/listen to that and think "Elder Scrolls 6 is coming to Playstation 5", you're probably in the minority. Almost every gaming journal has reported this as games that are already out will still receive future support (like 76 and ESO), all existing contracts will be honored (like Deathloop), and all future titles will be Game Pass exclusive (everything, from Starfield to ES6 to whatever they dream up next).

There's a lot of arguments that this is leaving "money on the table that they need to make back for their investment", but it sounds like Microsoft views that money as a short term loss that's worth it to grow Game Pass subscription numbers. And despite "losing" the PS5 market, these games are now gaining the mobile markets via Game Pass too. I'm in the Android Game Pass beta (are we still calling it beta?) and while I didn't really love ESO on my phone, Tomb Raider and Skyrim performed absolutely great and I am 100% sure the future of console games is kids playing them on their phones as they ride the bus to school.

volkeswagon wrote: »

You think you miss understood. ESO is already on Playstation and always will be. It's the new games that haven't been developed yet that may be exclusive to Microsoft. I will not buy an xbox ever so if it's not on Playstation i just won't be playing it. ES 6 maybe exclusive and if it is then the oh well. I won't give Microsoft my money. A Microsoft PC will slow to a crawl after 5 years even if you do nothing but install their updates. Install Linux on the same PC and watch your speed return .

1995 called and wants it's Windows XP computer back. Windows 10 for a workstation OS is highly performant and as far as gaming is concerned much better positioned for driver compatibility (and that your game will actually support the platform). A Ubuntu 20.04 or ArchLinux machine isn't going to clock substantially better anything than Windows 10 on the same machine unless you go back several generations of hardware and compare to an older WinNT OS. That's not to say there's not great reasons to run linux from a server or development perspective, but workstation and gaming performance hasn't been one of them for almost a decade.

linuxlady wrote: »

xbox and ps both run posix type oses so there's no reason to exclude one over the other except to be a jerk.

It's true that posix means it's possible but it's a misrepresentation to say there's no reason to exclude one over the other except to be a big jerk. While there's little real cost to porting a PS5 game to PC/XBox, there is a development cost to going in the other direction.

On the OS side, XBox runs on several tiered OS layers; a hardware layer running a modified version of Hyper-V (nano-visor), which itself hosts a lightly stripped Windows (shared device / service layer) and a heavily stripped Windows (gaming layer). Games designed for Windows would run pretty seamlessly on the gaming layer, but there's no layer to accommodate linux games. Technically, they could make the nano-visor support linux vm's (clearly modern versions of hyper-v already do this) but retooling their nano-visor may (A) not be a small task and (B) still leave a bunch of issues for linux games communicating with the windows-run shared device and service layer. Being posix compatible means porting is definitely possible but that doesn't necessarily make it non-trivial or cheap to do.

On the game development side, because Xbox has real Windows shared libraries, games designed for PC don't need to embed their whole library in the game to work on Xbox. Because PS5 doesn't have windows shared libraries, XBox games would have to have their libraries embedded in order for them to run on PS5 and mapped to equivalent linux functions. This is not trivial. Some of this is taken care of by DE's but not all. In the opposite scenario, because PS5 games are designed on PC prior to having their libraries embedded, they could be easily ported to Xbox.

The part you didn't bold: "There’s communities of players and we love those communities and we’ll continue to invest in them. And even in the future there might be things that have contractual things, or legacy on different platforms that we’ll go do."

That leaves the door open for timed exclusives that eventually find their way to different platforms.

Hallothiel

Some interesting points made here.

Of course MS are going to say these games will be exclusive; they didn’t buy Bethesda etc for fun. They want people to buy xboxes.

But not sure this will work.

Whilst I like Elder Scrolls, I don’t think Bethesda has such a strong gaming presence as MS is now suggesting; I doubt people will buy their shiny new console just to play these games.

Personally not planning to buy xbox; not even TES6 could tempt me. I’d be far more likely to buy a gaming laptop than buy an xbox.

But then I loathe MS & think they are a behemoth that has taken over computing without actually being that good. Hey hoo.

Vlad9425

Shardaxx wrote: »

Honestly I wish MS would just come out now and state whether ES6 is gonna be exclusive to xbox/PC or not. I'm not bothered about the other Bethesda games, but if ES6 is gonna be xbox exclusive I'd strongly consider getting a Series X instead of a PS5.

I'm gonna wait a bit and see what happens.

I highly doubt ES6 will be an exclusive but honestly in this day and age it wouldn’t surprise me. MS will likely try a lot of tactics to try and boost Xbox sales.