THE BEST PVP CLASS (no procs)

Veg

I just wanted to say that i'm so happy about MDK's becoming the best class for pvp. MDK's are so over powered that they don't even need an execute or purify or any movement mechanics or literally any class defining ability like being able to reflect projectiles or something (how lame would that be amiright?). Looking forward to banking all my farmed sets and hoping on my MDK to totally kick butt in cyrodil!


pic related is my MDK getting tuned up for pvp

Elo106

True mDKs are so overpowered people seem to refuse to play them. The near complete disappearance of all mDKs is proof of how high this community values fair play.

Most people seem to have switched to less powerful classes like stamcro, stamden, stamdk, stam-something-else, for those that prefer magic there is always magsorc

vesselwiththepestle

This will be a great time to be a MagDK main! We will rule over Cyrodiil as gods!

Look at those templars with their purge and self heal or those Sorcs with their shields and insane timed burst! Even those Stamdens with their combos, they won't stand a chance and will be shuddering in fear when we slowly walk towards them!

TwinLamps

magsorc,ofc

UntouchableHunter

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_Adrikoth @ZOS_AntonioP please tell me if you wana no more magclasses in Cyrodill?

Please give us a no proc sets campaign and let another with procs.

People complain to a lot about proc in no CP and I agree they are really overpowered we could have a no CP no proc campaign. Please don't let players who play only mag for years in Cyrodill be completely penalized. Just make a no proc campaign and everybody will be happy, you can do it really, really easy.

vesselwiththepestle

Three ways to improve MagDK and make it competitive without having to relay on proc sets:

1. Add a purge to Cauterize
2. Add a reflect to Protective Scales and its morphs.
3. Add a burst direct damage hit to Burning Embers, which will hit, when the dot runs out - including when it gets purged.

Done.

Rhaegar75

yes I can't wait to play my magDK.... nice and slow with indeed no need to purge or execute other players

I definitely don't envy the mobility, shields, damage and execute that Sorcs have

FirmamentOfStars

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

Three ways to improve MagDK and make it competitive without having to relay on proc sets:

1. Add a purge to Cauterize
2. Add a reflect to Protective Scales and its morphs.
3. Add a burst direct damage hit to Burning Embers, which will hit, when the dot runs out - including when it gets purged.

Done.

1. No
2. No
3. Another no

Purge once was an exclusive for templars, its not needed on more classes. If you mean reflect like refleting the whole projectile back...maybe you forgot how scales once worked and why it was taken away? A burst when it runs out? Meaning also when you are reapplying it? magdk has a burst in molten whip, why is a so complicated one needed?

regime211

I love seeing my enemies burn with my 25 cent colored lighter I bought from the corner store.

regime211

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

Three ways to improve MagDK and make it competitive without having to relay on proc sets:

1. Add a purge to Cauterize
2. Add a reflect to Protective Scales and its morphs.
3. Add a burst direct damage hit to Burning Embers, which will hit, when the dot runs out - including when it gets purged.

Done.

Might as well spam the forums with this idea, because I guarantee they won't care to read this, unless you know there is trolling or baiting.

TwinLamps

if cauterize was purging one negative effect you would see that as broken?
wow...

Veg

No cauterize should not purge 1 effect. Wings should reflect 2-3 projectiles and then only reduce the projectile damage by 50% for the remaining time. Any MDK purge should only be a purge. Like the almighty stone fist being replaced with a purge. And yes MDK should have access to an execute. There is no reason to limit literally only 1 class to not having a execute.

INe_Saninus

Mag DK mains are in for a rough couple months...
I main Stam DK, and I think I'm going to have a tough time, but Mag DK... ugggh.
Templars are in for it too.

The forums are going to be fun for the next 6 months.

We've all used different sets and strategies to make the class balance less noticeable.
Without those sets, class balance is going to be at the forefront of discussion.

Kory

It's all fun and games until a MagDK hits you with that dragon leap. It almost tickled me lol Try again next time

WhyEvenTry

Veg wrote: »

No cauterize should not purge 1 effect. Wings should reflect 2-3 projectiles and then only reduce the projectile damage by 50% for the remaining time. Any MDK purge should only be a purge. Like the almighty stone fist being replaced with a purge. And yes MDK should have access to an execute. There is no reason to limit literally only 1 class to not having a execute.

I'll trade you my impale for your burst heal. Deal?

Faded

WhyEvenTry wrote: »

Veg wrote: »

No cauterize should not purge 1 effect. Wings should reflect 2-3 projectiles and then only reduce the projectile damage by 50% for the remaining time. Any MDK purge should only be a purge. Like the almighty stone fist being replaced with a purge. And yes MDK should have access to an execute. There is no reason to limit literally only 1 class to not having a execute.

I'll trade you my impale for your burst heal. Deal?

It's a trap!

JayKwellen

Veg wrote: »

There is no reason to limit literally only 1 class to not having a execute.

Magcros and magdens say sup.

And I swear fo god you better not say anything about cro's crit passive or magdens bear. No need to try and one up each other, there's plenty of space for all three of you at the bottom.

wheem_ESO

JayKwellen wrote: »

Veg wrote: »

There is no reason to limit literally only 1 class to not having a execute.

Magcros and magdens say sup.

And I swear fo god you better not say anything about cro's crit passive or magdens bear. No need to try and one up each other, there's plenty of space for all three of you at the bottom.

Especially since the Necromancer crit passive is completely disabled when using Malacath and procs...which is essentially mandatory if you ever want to kill anyone decent.

Urzigurumash

wheem_ESO wrote: »

JayKwellen wrote: »

Veg wrote: »

There is no reason to limit literally only 1 class to not having a execute.

Magcros and magdens say sup.

And I swear fo god you better not say anything about cro's crit passive or magdens bear. No need to try and one up each other, there's plenty of space for all three of you at the bottom.

Especially since the Necromancer crit passive is completely disabled when using Malacath and procs...which is essentially mandatory if you ever want to kill anyone decent.

Like I've been saying, buff DoTs, including both morphs of Necro's Siphon, change Chilled's Minor Maim to Minor Brittle, change Frost Heavies to Major Brittle.

Buff DoTs, buff debuffs, buff motivation to build into Crit, and the motivations to run Malacath diminish.

It doesn't seem right if Necros and MagDens are running Malacath. I view the Ring as specifically intended for StamDK, StamDen, and Heavy Armor StamSorc, i.e. Orc Tanks

Zer0_CooL

SavageChain wrote: »

.. magdk has a burst in molten whip, why is a so complicated one needed?

You mean more complicated than spaming 3 rediculously expensive dots before using a spamable?

Trinotops

Cauterize doesn't need a purge. Passive purging is dumb and should never have been added to Netch. Just increase the healing/frequency of Cauterize and then bring back the reflect on Wings.

wheem_ESO

Urzigurumash wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

JayKwellen wrote: »

Veg wrote: »

There is no reason to limit literally only 1 class to not having a execute.

Magcros and magdens say sup.

And I swear fo god you better not say anything about cro's crit passive or magdens bear. No need to try and one up each other, there's plenty of space for all three of you at the bottom.

Especially since the Necromancer crit passive is completely disabled when using Malacath and procs...which is essentially mandatory if you ever want to kill anyone decent.

Like I've been saying, buff DoTs, including both morphs of Necro's Siphon, change Chilled's Minor Maim to Minor Brittle, change Frost Heavies to Major Brittle.

Buff DoTs, buff debuffs, buff motivation to build into Crit, and the motivations to run Malacath diminish.

It doesn't seem right if Necros and MagDens are running Malacath. I view the Ring as specifically intended for StamDK, StamDen, and Heavy Armor StamSorc, i.e. Orc Tanks

Unless the damage on Necromancer Siphon abilities gets buffed to really absurd levels, which would break PvE, it'll remain hot garbage in PvP. Landing it on anyone halfway decent is a joke, especially in mobile fights and in situations where LOS is frequently used (so basically in every non-dueling PvP scenario ever).

Necromancer's +15% DOT damage passive is sort of the opposite of the class' Crit passive; it's only relevant due to Malacath and proc sets. Without proc DOTs, it adds +15% damage to abilities that are so bad in PvP that they'll never be used anyway. Degeneration is an exception, but that's only because it's Mag Necro's sole option for Major Sorcery without constantly chugging a specific potion.

Urzigurumash

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Unless the damage on Necromancer Siphon abilities gets buffed to really absurd levels, which would break PvE, it'll remain hot garbage in PvP. Landing it on anyone halfway decent is a joke, especially in mobile fights and in situations where LOS is frequently used (so basically in every non-dueling PvP scenario ever).

Necromancer's +15% DOT damage passive is sort of the opposite of the class' Crit passive; it's only relevant due to Malacath and proc sets. Without proc DOTs, it adds +15% damage to abilities that are so bad in PvP that they'll never be used anyway. Degeneration is an exception, but that's only because it's Mag Necro's sole option for Major Sorcery without constantly chugging a specific potion.

Well yes, the Siphon tether needs to be changed somehow. But yes that is what I mean, it needs fixed so that Necros have one more reason to go for Death Knell over Malacath, by having another Gravelord ability slotted. For me the issue with buffing DoTs in general has more to do with getting them back to Elsweyr levels. I don't really PvE but there was that time when you got more DPS out of spamming Direct Damage then you did adding DoTs to the rotation. I don't know if that's still the case, but for me playing in Heavy Armor in BGs during the DoT meta disproved the idea that raising damage always furthers the tank meta - you can't block DoTs, and you died to them so quickly there was little reward for investing into defense over investing into more DoT damage.

With the removal of Axe Bleeds there's even more reason to buff DoTs - especially buffing the number of viable DoTs, so that a wider array of builds are encouraged to incorporate more of them. This is why Harbinger tanks were so pronounced among all of the numerous proc tank setups - they exploited the low number of players who chose to slot DoTs over Direct Damage, and while they should theoretically be a counter to excessive reliance on AoE Direct Damage in particular, when nobody has any single-target DoTs slotted, like Rending Slashes or Entropy, Harbinger tanks are especially strong.

finehair

The things I would do to have a healing affect on my main spammable dizzying

Urzigurumash

And about MagCros slotting Degen for Sorcery, right it's a DoT that so happens to be able to buff their Direct Damage. DoTs must be significantly stronger than Direct Damage so that it's not preferred to slot skills which buff Direct Damage instead of DoTs. Every PvP build out there that's running Expert Hunter on a 2h or DW bar should have a tough choice to make between that and Carve or Rending or something.

Thraben

From what I could see yesterday, there were three awesome classes (Stamcro > StamSorc > Stamwarden), but behind those three it's a close match between different contenders. And among those, the MagDK is probably the most dangerous.

Anyron

UntouchableHunter wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_BillE @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_Adrikoth @ZOS_AntonioP please tell me if you wana no more magclasses in Cyrodill?

Please give us a no proc sets campaign and let another with procs.

People complain to a lot about proc in no CP and I agree they are really overpowered we could have a no CP no proc campaign. Please don't let players who play only mag for years in Cyrodill be completely penalized. Just make a no proc campaign and everybody will be happy, you can do it really, really easy.

no, they just keep nerfing magsorc - last playable magclass in pvp, until there will be only stamguys

thats their developer dream

Anyron

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

Three ways to improve MagDK and make it competitive without having to relay on proc sets:

1. Add a purge to Cauterize
2. Add a reflect to Protective Scales and its morphs.
3. Add a burst direct damage hit to Burning Embers, which will hit, when the dot runs out - including when it gets purged.

Done.

1. game doesnt need more purge. that thing is mainly reserved for stamdens, with free resources over time and major damage buff on top.

2. i would give you 100% range resistance. its still op but its better than not only negating incoming ranged damage BUT ALSO reflecting it back so your damage is like there were two of you. thats why it was taken away.

3. it would be really weak direct damage when trere is also dot damage and healing for damage done. i think you wouldnt want that. instead, put it somewhere where it can be used, like rework of your obsidian shard, so it IS really spammable

oscarovegren

FoO/cauterize giving major prophecy for the duration would be great (major prop on both bars while active)

Make the major fortitude from coag/GDB a unique 20% buff to health recovery which stacks with major fortitude. You probably have that buff in you potions

hands0medevil

magproc, sry I mean magsorc ofc

Tommy_The_Gun

Warden & Necro.
Base game: Sorc

Anyway, I already know how it will end. We have like what, 6 months of "no-proc", right ? So soon we will have (most likely) threads like: Oh, Beekeeper is broken, or: Oh, Leviathan is broken etc. It is bound to happen...