why do events bring out the worse parts of the player base?

wolfbone

how come every time there's a event in game, there's always those really aggressive and toxic people who needlessly feel the need to start insulting people?
I point out at the world bosses that using aoe's on the bosses spawn spot will make it take longer to respawn after a fair few people complained it was taking a while, and got a lot of messages telling me to go [snip] my self, along with some more colorful things. I really dont get why they're so [snip] toxic/aggresive towards people for no [snip] reason

[Edit to remove profanity]

B0SSzombie

They're always there, its just that Events give them things to focus and swarm on.

Sidebar: Do aoe's actually affect the spawn? I thought it was strictly a timer affair. That almost sounds like the false rumors of "Don't auto pick a Chest or the loot is worse."

magnusthorek

Tell me about it...

I just finished a 3h farming in Vvardenfell and for the last 2h, nobody seemed to have Kwama Queen quest. However, during this time, I was constantly visiting the area, back and forth from other quest locations, always asking with "/s" (apart from zone chat" if someone around had the quest to share. Complete silence.

Then, very politely, I said in zone chat: "Dear players, please, leave your chat open. Zone ain't that much heavy on numbers at these hours and perhaps you have the quest someone else needs" (or something like that, I had only half of the sentence on my clipboard).

And some random person, very rudely answered "no", which can only be understood as 1) I won't leave my chat open and/or 2) I won't help other players. Since I don't want to have any contact with this sort of attitude, I obviously blocked said person but, by now, my block list can't hold more people so I often have to remove older ignored, those I didn't bother to add a note about why I blocked them, in favour of this new generation of toxic players. We/I need a MUCH bigger list to hold all toxicity among 18kk of players.

I'm so glad in the last minute (or so to speak) some nice player showed up and shared the quest — with a LOT of other players, everyone waiting for this one in particular.

INHUMANENATION

wolfbone wrote: »

how come every time there's a event in game, there's always those really aggressive and toxic people who needlessly feel the need to start insulting people?
I point out at the world bosses that using aoe's on the bosses spawn spot will make it take longer to respawn after a fair few people complained it was taking a while, and got a lot of messages telling me to go [snip] my self, along with some more colorful things. I really dont get why they're so [snip] toxic/aggresive towards people for no [snip] reason

I like to believe they are actually great wonderful people who are just roleplaying

Dont let ppl get you down buddy. Most trolls arent sober and just joshing. Some people are going thru a lot in life and act out online. I try and indulge ppl when I can. Not just for them but for myself as well

Gythral

Spawns (respawns) are on a timers!!!
Events just put packs of players in the same place at the same time - unlike normal times!

Only slight issuwewith events is that only top 12 get loot, so having an AoE up at spawn is percieved as helping there, rather than not getting someting up until they respond!

Elsonso

B0SSzombie wrote: »

They're always there, its just that Events give them things to focus and swarm on.

Sidebar: Do aoe's actually affect the spawn? I thought it was strictly a timer affair. That almost sounds like the false rumors of "Don't auto pick a Chest or the loot is worse."

First I have heard of this. I know it does not work that way on delve and public dungeons.

Miszou

magnusthorek wrote: »

Then, very politely, I said in zone chat: "Dear players, please, leave your chat open. Zone ain't that much heavy on numbers at these hours and perhaps you have the quest someone else needs" (or something like that, I had only half of the sentence on my clipboard).

And some random person, very rudely answered "no", which can only be understood as 1) I won't leave my chat open and/or 2) I won't help other players. Since I don't want to have any contact with this sort of attitude, I obviously blocked said person but, by now, my block list can't hold more people so I often have to remove older ignored, those I didn't bother to add a note about why I blocked them, in favour of this new generation of toxic players. We/I need a MUCH bigger list to hold all toxicity among 18kk of players.

How can you have a full block list when I haven't blocked a single player in over 4,000 hours of game time?

Not saying you're wrong to block people, but in all that time I've never run across even one person that I didn't care to hear from again. Most people just go on about their day and won't even remember your name 30 seconds after leaving your PUG dungeon group.

I can't even imagine blocking someone for a 2 letter response that was almost certainly made in jest.

Whatever. You do you, I guess.

Sanctum74

I don’t condone toxicity in chat, but my guess is some players don’t like being told what to do especially when what you’re saying is wrong and does not affect boss spawns.

Starlock

Concentration of numbers. It's not really any more magical than that.

JKorr

Miszou wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

Then, very politely, I said in zone chat: "Dear players, please, leave your chat open. Zone ain't that much heavy on numbers at these hours and perhaps you have the quest someone else needs" (or something like that, I had only half of the sentence on my clipboard).

And some random person, very rudely answered "no", which can only be understood as 1) I won't leave my chat open and/or 2) I won't help other players. Since I don't want to have any contact with this sort of attitude, I obviously blocked said person but, by now, my block list can't hold more people so I often have to remove older ignored, those I didn't bother to add a note about why I blocked them, in favour of this new generation of toxic players. We/I need a MUCH bigger list to hold all toxicity among 18kk of players.

How can you have a full block list when I haven't blocked a single player in over 4,000 hours of game time?

Not saying you're wrong to block people, but in all that time I've never run across even one person that I didn't care to hear from again. Most people just go on about their day and won't even remember your name 30 seconds after leaving your PUG dungeon group.

I can't even imagine blocking someone for a 2 letter response that was almost certainly made in jest.

Whatever. You do you, I guess.

There are those special snowflakes who insist on letting everyone know they MUST be the center of attention. And unless you shut down zone chat completely, there's no escaping them without using Ignore. The other night it was a very mature individual with a screen name that included Poopy who informed everyone in detail as to his bathroom habits and managed to harass any new players who asked new player type questions in chat. After the description of how large a bowel movement he had, I really didn't care to hear more. Most of the ignores I have are along the same lines. Just because someone demands to be the center of attention doesn't mean I have to listen to them.

rpa

wolfbone wrote: »

... I point out at the world bosses that using aoe's on the bosses spawn spot will make it take longer to respawn ...

Never heard of that, care to tell on what information / research that claim is based? People put aoe on boss spawn to have a change to tag it during the 3 seconds it's alive. And if they have already waited for spawn and missed the short window few times they may be bit grumpy.

vibeborn

magnusthorek wrote: »

Tell me about it...

I just finished a 3h farming in Vvardenfell and for the last 2h, nobody seemed to have Kwama Queen quest. However, during this time, I was constantly visiting the area, back and forth from other quest locations, always asking with "/s" (apart from zone chat" if someone around had the quest to share. Complete silence.

Then, very politely, I said in zone chat: "Dear players, please, leave your chat open. Zone ain't that much heavy on numbers at these hours and perhaps you have the quest someone else needs" (or something like that, I had only half of the sentence on my clipboard).

And some random person, very rudely answered "no", which can only be understood as 1) I won't leave my chat open and/or 2) I won't help other players. Since I don't want to have any contact with this sort of attitude, I obviously blocked said person but, by now, my block list can't hold more people so I often have to remove older ignored, those I didn't bother to add a note about why I blocked them, in favour of this new generation of toxic players. We/I need a MUCH bigger list to hold all toxicity among 18kk of players.

I'm so glad in the last minute (or so to speak) some nice player showed up and shared the quest — with a LOT of other players, everyone waiting for this one in particular.

You might think I'm rude for saying this, but nobody is actually required to keep their zone chat open or help other players, that some actually do is a nice gesture, that does make things easier, but it's not a requierement.

HoosierPappy

wolfbone wrote: »

how come every time there's a event in game, there's always those really aggressive and toxic people who needlessly feel the need to start insulting people?
I point out at the world bosses that using aoe's on the bosses spawn spot will make it take longer to respawn after a fair few people complained it was taking a while, and got a lot of messages telling me to go [snip] my self, along with some more colorful things. I really dont get why they're so [snip] toxic/aggresive towards people for no [snip] reason

So you complained, then feel offended someone returned the favor?

Zone chat "off".

Done.

Wolfpaw

Why do you let frivolous stuff like this get to you so easily?

hafgood

Since when have aoe's stopped bosses spawning? Where is the evidence, and I want evidence in the form of the devs saying this is the case.

Not some anecdotal rubbish of my brothers cousins hairdressers aunts plumber said that he had heard that dropping aoe's might slow down the timers on World bosses.

Until then I think those that replied in chat to you had it right

And to the other player, I rarely share WB quests, I go, get the kill and leave, if I have to wait while it respawns I'll amuse myself without worrying about chat

Faded

wolfbone wrote: »

how come every time there's a event in game, there's always those really aggressive and toxic people who needlessly feel the need to start insulting people?
I point out at the world bosses that using aoe's on the bosses spawn spot will make it take longer to respawn after a fair few people complained it was taking a while, and got a lot of messages telling me to go [snip] my self, along with some more colorful things. I really dont get why they're so [snip] toxic/aggresive towards people for no [snip] reason

Human nature doesn't change. The events are poorly designed.

Or well-designed to promote asinine behavior. For all I know it's intentional, it's definitely consistent.

Scardan

magnusthorek wrote: »

Tell me about it...

I just finished a 3h farming in Vvardenfell and for the last 2h, nobody seemed to have Kwama Queen quest. However, during this time, I was constantly visiting the area, back and forth from other quest locations, always asking with "/s" (apart from zone chat" if someone around had the quest to share. Complete silence.

Then, very politely, I said in zone chat: "Dear players, please, leave your chat open. Zone ain't that much heavy on numbers at these hours and perhaps you have the quest someone else needs" (or something like that, I had only half of the sentence on my clipboard).

And some random person, very rudely answered "no", which can only be understood as 1) I won't leave my chat open and/or 2) I won't help other players. Since I don't want to have any contact with this sort of attitude, I obviously blocked said person but, by now, my block list can't hold more people so I often have to remove older ignored, those I didn't bother to add a note about why I blocked them, in favour of this new generation of toxic players. We/I need a MUCH bigger list to hold all toxicity among 18kk of players.

I'm so glad in the last minute (or so to speak) some nice player showed up and shared the quest — with a LOT of other players, everyone waiting for this one in particular.

Do I understand it right . Someone answered "no" and it is in your opinion rude and toxic sort of attitude?
What would be better answer to show desagreement in your opinion?

Tandor

In any setting where players come together, it doesn't have to be an event, there is always someone who feels compelled to tell everyone else how to play. It doesn't often end well.

ErMurazor

First, you are wrong. Spawns is on a timer and aoes dont affect them. Secondly, telling ppl what to do and not to do will come back to you when ppl dont asked for it.

tigerborn62

How does the type of damage given to the wb affect its re-spawn rate? I never heard that one.

phileunderx2

Stop spreading misinformation. Bosses spawn on timers and loot goes to anyone that can do 3 % damage on the boss.

Bradyfjord

phileunderx2 wrote: »

Stop spreading misinformation. Bosses spawn on timers and loot goes to anyone that can do 3 % damage on the boss.

This is true about loot. But people can still get quest credit even if you just got one tick/light attack of damage in.

VaranisArano

Do keep in mind that the CWC and Morrowind world bosses only award loot for 12 people. It's probably 12 random people, as with the Molag Bal simulacrum. However, there's a persistent belief that it's the 12 top DPS who get the loot.

That's why players are dropping AOE. Players tend to nuke the world bosses in hopes of being top 12 DPS, which means that having an AOE on the ground beforehand is a strategy to ensure they get some damage- any damage at all - on the boss before everyone else nukes it.

And I second the requests to show where this "ground AOEs delay boss respawns" thing is anything other than a myth.

Nothing excuses toxic responses, but you shouldn't be spreading myths, and then expect players to go along with your idea when their tactics are designed to get them loot in a bad situation.


If you really want to make the situation better for everyone, appeal to ZOS to remove the 12 person loot limit from world bosses. They did remove the limit from dragons, so why not from other world bosses? This would solve the problems of people grumpily waiting around for the boss to spawn in the hopes that maybe this time they are the lucky twelve to get loot.

amm7sb14_ESO

magnusthorek wrote: »

Tell me about it...

I just finished a 3h farming in Vvardenfell and for the last 2h, nobody seemed to have Kwama Queen quest. However, during this time, I was constantly visiting the area, back and forth from other quest locations, always asking with "/s" (apart from zone chat" if someone around had the quest to share. Complete silence.

Then, very politely, I said in zone chat: "Dear players, please, leave your chat open. Zone ain't that much heavy on numbers at these hours and perhaps you have the quest someone else needs" (or something like that, I had only half of the sentence on my clipboard).

And some random person, very rudely answered "no", which can only be understood as 1) I won't leave my chat open and/or 2) I won't help other players. Since I don't want to have any contact with this sort of attitude, I obviously blocked said person but, by now, my block list can't hold more people so I often have to remove older ignored, those I didn't bother to add a note about why I blocked them, in favour of this new generation of toxic players. We/I need a MUCH bigger list to hold all toxicity among 18kk of players.

I'm so glad in the last minute (or so to speak) some nice player showed up and shared the quest — with a LOT of other players, everyone waiting for this one in particular.

I don't see how anyone is required to share quests with anyone else when you are more than capable of getting the quest on your own to do?

renne

No one is "required" to share quests with anyone, and AoEs don't affect boss respawn times.

Also someone replying with 'no' to a question in the chat is super common, and often an off the cuff response. Acting like these people are the worst of the worst who must be blocked at all cost certainly makes me feel like someone is toxic here and it's not the person saying no.

LostHorizon1933

Worst.

—Stannis Baratheon

wolfbone

B0SSzombie wrote: »

They're always there, its just that Events give them things to focus and swarm on.

Sidebar: Do aoe's actually affect the spawn? I thought it was strictly a timer affair. That almost sounds like the false rumors of "Don't auto pick a Chest or the loot is worse."

from my personal experience, I think they do, as I've been the only one at a boss spawn, and If I used aoe's it took longer to respawn than it did if I just waited and did nothing

renne

wolfbone wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

They're always there, its just that Events give them things to focus and swarm on.

Sidebar: Do aoe's actually affect the spawn? I thought it was strictly a timer affair. That almost sounds like the false rumors of "Don't auto pick a Chest or the loot is worse."

from my personal experience, I think they do, as I've been the only one at a boss spawn, and If I used aoe's it took longer to respawn than it did if I just waited and did nothing

So... anecdata then.

coop500

Miszou wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

Then, very politely, I said in zone chat: "Dear players, please, leave your chat open. Zone ain't that much heavy on numbers at these hours and perhaps you have the quest someone else needs" (or something like that, I had only half of the sentence on my clipboard).

And some random person, very rudely answered "no", which can only be understood as 1) I won't leave my chat open and/or 2) I won't help other players. Since I don't want to have any contact with this sort of attitude, I obviously blocked said person but, by now, my block list can't hold more people so I often have to remove older ignored, those I didn't bother to add a note about why I blocked them, in favour of this new generation of toxic players. We/I need a MUCH bigger list to hold all toxicity among 18kk of players.

How can you have a full block list when I haven't blocked a single player in over 4,000 hours of game time?

Not saying you're wrong to block people, but in all that time I've never run across even one person that I didn't care to hear from again. Most people just go on about their day and won't even remember your name 30 seconds after leaving your PUG dungeon group.

I can't even imagine blocking someone for a 2 letter response that was almost certainly made in jest.

Whatever. You do you, I guess.

This... I have never blocked anyone and I got 3200 hours. I only block people in any system when they relentlessly attack me over and over again, but a passing thing? Who cares, you two will probably never meet again

Coatmagic

People would probably a less aggravated if the CWC portion of the event wasn't such a dog-eat-dog situation.

Normally during these events people are helpful but that collection daily was poorly thought out and just causes strife.

[snip]

[Edited to remove Bashing]

spartaxoxo

magnusthorek wrote: »

Tell me about it...

I just finished a 3h farming in Vvardenfell and for the last 2h, nobody seemed to have Kwama Queen quest. However, during this time, I was constantly visiting the area, back and forth from other quest locations, always asking with "/s" (apart from zone chat" if someone around had the quest to share. Complete silence.

Then, very politely, I said in zone chat: "Dear players, please, leave your chat open. Zone ain't that much heavy on numbers at these hours and perhaps you have the quest someone else needs" (or something like that, I had only half of the sentence on my clipboard).

And some random person, very rudely answered "no", which can only be understood as 1) I won't leave my chat open and/or 2) I won't help other players. Since I don't want to have any contact with this sort of attitude, I obviously blocked said person but, by now, my block list can't hold more people so I often have to remove older ignored, those I didn't bother to add a note about why I blocked them, in favour of this new generation of toxic players. We/I need a MUCH bigger list to hold all toxicity among 18kk of players.

I'm so glad in the last minute (or so to speak) some nice player showed up and shared the quest — with a LOT of other players, everyone waiting for this one in particular.

How is this rude? It IS a bit selfish to refuse to share quests. But everyone has to be a little selfish sometimes for self-care. Some just don't feel up to helping others when they are playing and that's okay. It's not like he called you of your name or attacked people who needed a share. We're not entitled to a quest share.

I think you should really question what you consider toxicity. Ask yourself if someone is actually being toxic or are they just saying something you don't like.