So, with a full template, what's the DPS?

preevious

I see no one complaining about it anymore nor porsting about it anymore, and since I changed computers, I do not have access to PTS, for disk space reasons.

So ..

With cp > 1100, finally ... nerf or no nerf?

UrbanMonk

after 1100 there is nothing much left to buff your DPS.

preevious

yes, sure, but what I mean is .. is a cp1100 from the PTS less effective than a cp 810 on live, or are they equals?

Is there really a damage loss? I could only test with a cp880, so I can't know for sure.

Olupajmibanan

preevious wrote: »

yes, sure, but what I mean is .. is a cp1100 from the PTS less effective than a cp 810 on live, or are they equals?

Is there really a damage loss? I could only test with a cp880, so I can't know for sure.

I am experiencing cca 5-7k dps drop depending on class.
MagDK 96 -> 90
Stam DK 102 -> 99
Magplar 92 -> 85
Stamden 105 -> 99
Stamplar 104 -> 89 (this one is irelevant, because jabs weaving is buggy as hell on PTs. My regular LA ratio is 0,96 but with Stampalr it's barely 0,7)

And from what I've seen on class discords, other players report the same loss.

The loss is certainly there, but nothing severe.

preevious

Ok, thank a bunch for the numbers.
It's, indeed, not so bad.

Shantu

I've tested with MagPlar, StamCro, StamSorc, and MagSorc. I'm seeing about a 10% loss in all. We'll live through it, but it's still a rather pointless nerf to base damage that will accomplish nothing but upset a lot of players.

Mykriz

Watched a streamer last night consistently get 96k on stamplar with different sets

Sahidom

This is an on topic but off when looking at full CP allocations. You will have more CP going into redundant non-slotted stars after you've spent full stars upto your primary parsing spec.

CleymenZero

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

yes, sure, but what I mean is .. is a cp1100 from the PTS less effective than a cp 810 on live, or are they equals?

Is there really a damage loss? I could only test with a cp880, so I can't know for sure.

I am experiencing cca 5-7k dps drop depending on class.
MagDK 96 -> 90
Stam DK 102 -> 99
Magplar 92 -> 85
Stamden 105 -> 99
Stamplar 104 -> 89 (this one is irelevant, because jabs weaving is buggy as hell on PTs. My regular LA ratio is 0,96 but with Stampalr it's barely 0,7)

And from what I've seen on class discords, other players report the same loss.

The loss is certainly there, but nothing severe.

I've seen a 97k magDK parse. I think he was using either daggers axe or double axes.

Since magDK is a melee class, having DW isn't too dramatic unless you need to heavy attack to sustain.

On DW, you could go precise and charged to maximize burning uptimes therefore improve sustain.

I feel like we're not done discovering the best setups yet.

stefj68

Mykriz wrote: »

Watched a streamer last night consistently get 96k on stamplar with different sets

must have been an old recording

Pallio

Some hard core steamers are posting anything that can get close to 100k dps, some are just wild combinations of gear, axe, daggers on Mag.. Stam using mag skills etc. Who knows what will make it to final patch and how realistic these parses will be in live trial runs, all the mag dps in melee range? Parsing is fun, but not always realistic.

spacefracking

Hitting these numbers will mean 0 damage mitigation as well.

Random_Zombie

stefj68 wrote: »

Mykriz wrote: »

Watched a streamer last night consistently get 96k on stamplar with different sets

must have been an old recording

Nah, Skinny cheeks hit 100k with deadly+rele and crit monter set on Stamplar. No cheese required

Artanisul

spacefracking wrote: »

Hitting these numbers will mean 0 damage mitigation as well.

This is why I say progression is a good distance past 1100. Before trial players had both the damage and resistance to really push the envelope and now it will take much longer to get all the points to get back the lost power. People still argue that DPS is JUST dps and "You only need about 1100 to get to full DPS slotting." silly I know....

virtus753

spacefracking wrote: »

Hitting these numbers will mean 0 damage mitigation as well.

Only if you're below 1170 CP. At that point you can't increase your damage any more through CP.

For the blue tree, you need 200 CP for your four active nodes, then 40 each for Precision and Piercing, plus 40 for Battle Mastery/Flawless Ritual and 30 for Mighty/War Mage. At that point you're maxed on damage in that tree and can start investing in mitigation without sacrificing dps.

ErMurazor

For DDs in endgame veteran trials u will want both damage and mitigation and healing recieved maxed out. Then we talk about around 1700 CP

itscompton

Artanisul wrote: »

spacefracking wrote: »

Hitting these numbers will mean 0 damage mitigation as well.

This is why I say progression is a good distance past 1100. Before trial players had both the damage and resistance to really push the envelope and now it will take much longer to get all the points to get back the lost power. People still argue that DPS is JUST dps and "You only need about 1100 to get to full DPS slotting." silly I know....

The major portion of mitigation from CP is in the active stars now and if you want to min/max for DPS you're never getting that mitigation back since you won't have the spaces to slot them.
Saying "zero" is a bit misleading though as we will get 4% damage reduction from each type of damage off the passive stars.

Hotdog_23

Skinny Cheeks did a awesome video called "New Champion Point System | Leveling Guide for Damage Dealers | Complete DPS Guide to CP" with a great CP Spreadsheet on google docs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPGQeCdqd98

Stay safe and have fun

FinrodMacBeorn

itscompton wrote: »

The major portion of mitigation from CP is in the active stars now and if you want to min/max for DPS you're never getting that mitigation back since you won't have the spaces to slot them.
Saying "zero" is a bit misleading though as we will get 4% damage reduction from each type of damage off the passive stars.

It's 12% for pve - there is an additional -8% from all non-player damage due to the passive "preparation".

For the whole -12%, you need 130 blue cp (3x40 + 10 cp in quick recovery to open up the other three perks). Therefore, for raw damage 1170 cp suffice, whereas for all significant survival perks, you need 390 cp more, i.e. 1560 cp.