Can you sustain >48K DPS throughout a real Vet HM boss fight?

itscompton

I was reading this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/561956/please-reconsider-the-20-nerf-to-max-resource-sets which made me do some digging and it seems like if you do less than 48K sustained DPS throughout a fight under the new CP system Caluurion's will easily outperform a max stat set such as Bright Throat's or Necromancer.
Which makes me curious how many people can actually do that for a whole fight against a Vet HM boss? Will the majority of people be wearing Caluurions's in PvE and PvP next patch?

JTD

Yes

Because I am yes man.

Weird question though.... why not test yourself or wait for live?

itscompton

NO

JTD wrote: »

Because I am yes man.

Weird question though.... why not test yourself or wait for live?

I'm not worried about my own damage really, but for the record I can't even hit that on a dummy let alone a fight where I'm running around avoiding ad and boss attacks so I'd be better off rolling Caluurions. I'm just curious if the changes coming are going to make running a proc set the meta for most in PvE. And hopefully raise the awareness of the need to buff straight stat sets in comparison to the stronger proc sets if that's the case in order to maintain a variety of build options.

tomofhyrule

NO

...because that would require me to get to 48K DPS in the first place. But then again it's not exactly my job.

Now I am worried about the massive nerfs to heavy armor's resistances, especially since I'm still slightly below 810 CP. I hope that it doesn't turn into a "you can't tank anything unless you're at CP 1800+" in the new system. I need to see how I'll stack up when this goes live. Wish PCNA would have gotten another copy now that I finally deciphered the new CP system so I could get an idea how things'll work.

ArchMikem

NO

I have no idea what my actual DPS is in vet dungeons but I'm pretty sure it's not that high.

Elwendryll

Yes

Depends on the fight, but I can easily reach 60-70k if it doesn't move too much. I guess it'll be lower with the new CP, but I don't really worry that much, people want me to tank anyway.

ccfeeling

NO

I have about 30k dps and I have no problem to deal with any 4 man Vet HM .

Caluurions ? No , not my cup of tea , HM is all about the mechanics , play smart .

P.S. I'm not on score run .

Septimus_Magna

First of all, there basically no DDs doing vet HM while using max stat sets like Blight Throats or Necropotence. For sustain False God is the obvious choice and Mothers Sorrow or Medusa are stronger than Necropotence, even if you run a pet build.

Max stat lines will be nerfed by roughly 20% and it was already one of the weakest in terms of damage so it was to be expected that sets that only give max stats will become pretty useless. A part of what makes Caluurion's better than max stat sets because of the 2-4pc bonuses (spell crit - spell dmg - spell crit). The 5pc bonus is not causing much dps because it can only proc once every 10 seconds, its better suited for PVP due to the burst damage.

Chrysa1is

Yes

48k is rookie numbers broski

AlayneStone

Depends on the fight, in a dungeon like fang lair HM for example its more about mechs then straight burn. I definitely didn't have 48k by the end.

Eedat

Yes

Yeah easily when you can actually hit the boss

Starlock

NO

Don't know, don't care, don't run DPS in group dungeons in part because the e-peen contests are eye-rolling.

BXR_Lonestar

This is a bad poll tbh because it largely depends on the boss fight. If the boss has damage locking mechanics, there is absolutely NO way you can sustain 48k DPS throughout the fight because damage locking mechanics are going to force your DPS to go to 0 when they're damage locked. How about bosses that OHK you if you are in melee range? Stam characters in those scenarios are also going to have a DPS drop when they are forced to move away from the boss and rely on ranged.

So IMO< this isn't a "yes" or "no" poll question. My answer would simply be: depends on which fight.

SidraWillowsky

Yes

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

This is a bad poll tbh because it largely depends on the boss fight. If the boss has damage locking mechanics, there is absolutely NO way you can sustain 48k DPS throughout the fight because damage locking mechanics are going to force your DPS to go to 0 when they're damage locked. How about bosses that OHK you if you are in melee range? Stam characters in those scenarios are also going to have a DPS drop when they are forced to move away from the boss and rely on ranged.

So IMO< this isn't a "yes" or "no" poll question. My answer would simply be: depends on which fight.

Also I feel like people who CAN pull the numbers are going to be more likely to actually respond to the poll.

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Tremuto

Yes

Post Question: Will the majority of people be wearing Caluurions's in PvE and PvP next patch?
Poll Question: Can you sustain >48K DPS throughout a real Vet HM boss fight?
What?

Also, what "real vet HM boss fight" are we talking about? Why the arbitrary 48k for this specific boss fight? Why Caluurion's instead of something more sustainable like False Gods or even Burning Spell Weave for MagDPS? Why what why?

Also I voted yes because ez.

Kiralyn2000

NO

Pretty sure I've never done close to 48k dps in any form of the game or any content. So.... /shrug

Elwendryll

Yes

Tremuto wrote: »

Post Question: Will the majority of people be wearing Caluurions's in PvE and PvP next patch?
Poll Question: Can you sustain >48K DPS throughout a real Vet HM boss fight?
What?

Also, what "real vet HM boss fight" are we talking about? Why the arbitrary 48k for this specific boss fight? Why Caluurion's instead of something more sustainable like False Gods or even Burning Spell Weave for MagDPS? Why what why?

Also I voted yes because ez.

I think the "real vet HM" is just a clear bias as OP expects it to be unrealistic. From what I understand, 48k would be the threshold where Caluurion would outperform "flat stat" sets? Why that number? Who knows. Especially since not that many people use flat max ressources sets, you'll see me use different combinations of Lokkestiiz, Relequen, Advancing Yokeda and Tzogvin.

And yes. This is not that hard to achieve. Obviously on some fights there will be some downtime since the boss is invulnerable, but it doesn't matter since Caluurion will not be doing damage either during these phases xD

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Yes

Nobody with an ounce of understanding about PVE combat is wearing BTB in PVE. Not really sure what the point of this thread is.

Nobody stacks max resources either. PVE is about crit and spell/weapon damage. 48k is not hard to accomplish on Vet bosses, assuming its a boss you can reasonable stack and burn and there are no invulnerability mechanics. Saying I can do X DPS on a vet trial boss is highly misleading as every fight is different. Some simply lend themselves to higher parses than others.

DPS should be compared on a trial dummy. Yes the numbers may seem inflated, but that are directly comparable to one another. My mag sorc can sustain a 100k parse without running out of resources on a 21 million health fight, only using parse food and pots for sustain (although admittedly its very close to running out). No heavy attacks. My mag Necro can do the same and basically be full of mag at the end of the fight thanks to class sustain tools. In other news Magrco>Magsorc for PVE DPS. LOL

spartaxoxo

Yes

My dps is pretty consistent on both dummies and bosses that don't have mechanics that hard force me to back off and with proper support. I am assuming this is the comparison being made, as that's the stuff in my control.

Once you have a rotation committed to muscle memory, you'll find that they really aren't difficult to pull of anywhere you need to use them. And that difficulty will come mostly from following the mechanics of that particular encounter, rather than in maintaining your rotation.

The_Old_Goat

I don't think anybody concerned about their dps will be wearing any of those 3 sets in pve, if so please explain why.

SickleCider

I don't understand the question. 🤔 Is this a test I didn't study for?

To answer the part I do get: I'm "bad" at rotations, and so frustrated with parses that I sometimes want to pull my hair out. But, with my sloppy rotation and subpar setup I was easily pulling 55k earlier in the week. (I'm up to 60k after a little practice). Elemental Drain + False God's + being Breton + pots for sustain (other set is MS). I don't have add-ons or anything to see what my DPS in a real situation is but I practically live in vVH and I'm not struggling that much there so there's that. I can stand flat and happy during the titan boss and just chew it down without bothering about watchers or big eyeballs or sigils. So many lasers.

How will I look after CP 2.0? Idk my BFF Jill does anyone know? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

CrashTest

Yes

Yes, but max mag sets like Necro and BTB aren't used in endgame PvE, so this won't matter in groups.

The current standard endgame PvE mag sets are False God's/Siroria's + Mother's Sorrow for bosses, and Cal won't be replacing that in the next patch for endgame PvE group content assuming the current PTS stats make it to live bc Cal is a weaker version of FG.

FantasticFreddie

I'm not a dps.
But I was in a vSS run where all the dps in the run were pushing 80k on fire boss.
And no, they do not wear ..... any of the sets in this post lol

MaddPowered

Yes

um, yes dps really isnt going down that much at all next patch

QuebraRegra

NO

magnusthorek

Yes

Yes, but it's all about the teamwork with proper buffs and debuffs. I can't get my shiny stick to bosses' nose and except them to bleed to their deaths

renne

Yes

If you're not required to move around too much, it's pretty much just doing a rotation.

Vevvev

I can hit up to 60k on an iron atronach, but whether I can keep that up in a veteran trial.... I don't know. Most trials I go into I'm the healer so at best I might be hitting 20-30k-ish DPS during the downtime periods in my healing rotation where I can actually do damage. Due to these inconsistencies in my playstyle I can't really say yes or no.

CrashTest

Yes

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

I'm not a dps.
But I was in a vSS run where all the dps in the run were pushing 80k on fire boss.
And no, they do not wear ..... any of the sets in this post lol

Not sure, but I think OP meant dungeons not trials. I'm assuming that bc 48k is very low for trials, but not bad for dungeons.

Nordic__Knights

NO

10-12k below that on my 812cp account where i can see #s at , would be nice to see on 1426cp account but on ps4

karekiz

Yes

Since you generically stated "HM Boss" im going to include all encounters as a possible encounter. Yes. Yes. you can.