Why?

marten_philip

So....

I came back to ESO thinking it would be a great experience due to the massive additions of content over the previous years.
And to a certain extend it is! the content is great, gameplay still is very much enjoyable.
Pvp still is interesting and I even like the battle grounds.

BUT!

It still feels like a single player game like on release.

Even though they added so much group content to the game, the community has gone full world of warcraft mentality and the game is basically a full out single player experience with online lobbies for your crafting and selling or your LFG queueing.

People are so socially distant from one another I really ask myself... why? why are you playing Eso and not Skyrim or any other previous elder scrolls games, you clearely have no interest in playing a mmorpg as intended and only want to play by yourself.

It's a logical I simply don't get..

Must be me.. because the majority doesn't seem to care.

Even dungeon runs are exactly like world of warcraft now.
Queue, accept, enter, rush through it, leave with all players not sharing 1 word with one another..

Or the multiple PUG spamming in general chat LFM blabla link achie in dm.

I guess social gaming is a thing of the past and it's full out social distant zoomer single player rpg's.

Long story short, love the game, hate the community.



But I'm not going to buy expansion, dlc's and subscribe to a MMORPG when it's just a singleplayer experience.
I'd rather play Skyrim or Oblivion with a large database of mods.

Enjoy killing MMORPG gaming even further.

Cheers

zaria

Join an nice social guild, it might change everything

nukk3r

Join a guild. People care about their own, not about random strangers.

mobicera

marten_philip wrote: »

So....

I came back to ESO thinking it would be a great experience due to the massive additions of content over the previous years.
And to a certain extend it is! the content is great, gameplay still is very much enjoyable.
Pvp still is interesting and I even like the battle grounds.

BUT!

It still feels like a single player game like on release.

Even though they added so much group content to the game, the community has gone full world of warcraft mentality and the game is basically a full out single player experience with online lobbies for your crafting and selling or your LFG queueing.

People are so socially distant from one another I really ask myself... why? why are you playing Eso and not Skyrim or any other previous elder scrolls games, you clearely have no interest in playing a mmorpg as intended and only want to play by yourself.

It's a logical I simply don't get..

Must be me.. because the majority doesn't seem to care.

Even dungeon runs are exactly like world of warcraft now.
Queue, accept, enter, rush through it, leave with all players not sharing 1 word with one another..

Or the multiple PUG spamming in general chat LFM blabla link achie in dm.

I guess social gaming is a thing of the past and it's full out social distant zoomer single player rpg's.

Long story short, love the game, hate the community.



But I'm not going to buy expansion, dlc's and subscribe to a MMORPG when it's just a singleplayer experience.
I'd rather play Skyrim or Oblivion with a large database of mods.

Enjoy killing MMORPG gaming even further.

Cheers

Have you considered joining a guild and running with people who you chat with?

The lfg is kinda for the antisocial no?
So really why are you surprised?

You will get what you put in...

Katheriah

1. Press G
2. Find a social guild
[snip]
4. Enjoy the rest of the game

[snip]

[Edited to remove Baiting]

VaranisArano

If you want more interaction in a dungeon with your random groupmates, I've found its helpful to start off with something like "Hi! Anyone need the quest or gear?"

At least it breaks the ice. If you need more interaction than that, I suggest finding a good guild that runs group content regularly. I don't typically look to random groups for a good, friendly dungeon run - though it happens regularly enough.


As for the rest, look, people can play ESO how they want. I do most types of content. Overland questing I play by myself unless my IRL friends want to roleplay through a quest line. Overland zones are just too easy otherwise, though it's fun to lend a hand at a world boss, a harrowstorm, or if someone asks in zone for a Craglorn group quest.

For group content, either you PUG, make a premade group, or run with your guild. If you want the best experience, you run with your guild. If you want a fun time hanging out with friendly players, you run with your guildmates or your IRL friends. That's true of PVE group content and PVP.


Finally, the TES series is predominantly single player RPGs. It shouldn't be surprising that ZOS is catering to the base by providing an MMORPG that has a lot of singleplayer elements. Maybe that's not your cup of tea. Given that the Devs are introducing Companions to help serve as a gateway to group content and they continue to make content relying on nostalgia for the single player TES titles, its not likely to change.

Scardan

marten_philip wrote: »

So....

I came back to ESO thinking it would be a great experience due to the massive additions of content over the previous years.
And to a certain extend it is! the content is great, gameplay still is very much enjoyable.
Pvp still is interesting and I even like the battle grounds.

BUT!

It still feels like a single player game like on release.

Even though they added so much group content to the game, the community has gone full world of warcraft mentality and the game is basically a full out single player experience with online lobbies for your crafting and selling or your LFG queueing.

People are so socially distant from one another I really ask myself... why? why are you playing Eso and not Skyrim or any other previous elder scrolls games, you clearely have no interest in playing a mmorpg as intended and only want to play by yourself.

It's a logical I simply don't get..

Must be me.. because the majority doesn't seem to care.

Even dungeon runs are exactly like world of warcraft now.
Queue, accept, enter, rush through it, leave with all players not sharing 1 word with one another..

Or the multiple PUG spamming in general chat LFM blabla link achie in dm.

I guess social gaming is a thing of the past and it's full out social distant zoomer single player rpg's.

Long story short, love the game, hate the community.



But I'm not going to buy expansion, dlc's and subscribe to a MMORPG when it's just a singleplayer experience.
I'd rather play Skyrim or Oblivion with a large database of mods.

Enjoy killing MMORPG gaming even further.

Cheers

Because Skyrim is not that fun and does not have multiplayer for occasional fun with random players.
Hope I answered your question!

Also, not social distant IRL, I work with people.

Eldain333

I can agree on this, and add why i uninstall.

I played beta / launch.. and also tested morrowind... And nothing since, up until about 2 weeks ago.
And i will now UNINSTALL again... and it seem permanent this time sadly.

Werewolf and Vampires are a good element to Elder Scrolls.
[snip]
It is just a hastily put together pile of crap, and then put appearance on it to be a Werewolf or Vampire and call it done.

Necromancer class...Another good element to Elder Scrolls... Again feels like a hastily put together pile of crap.
The ONLY thing interesting about that class, is the bone giant transformation.

Greymoor DLC/expansion, that i thought were going to finally fix the werewolf and vampire part of the game.
Actually instead seem to have made things WORSE!!!!... HOW THE ***????.

And the new CP system that is coming... This thing really put the last nail in the coffin.

OH, and lets not forget the Proc tanks...

[Edited to remove Bashing]

Viewsfrom6ix

Lol what?

I'm not even in a social guild and the community in game is great!

[snip]

[Edited to remove Baiting]

Josira

Social Anxiety exists.
And as of late,in the past decade,the amount of people with almost crippling anxiety has grown.

Yall may see me *** and moan on the forums,seemingly unable to shut up. but in game,or any actual social situation I cant function too well,if at all. Because,like many others,crippling social anxiety stops me from being too talkitive.

That being said,there are many people,alone and quiet who are just waiting for someone to start the conversation,to say hi,or ask how they are going. you may have a better time if you start to instigate conversations.

Rynd33

As a solo player I realize I am part of the problem according to the OP. I play solo largely due to time constraints, but I belong to a guild, participate in guild raffles, and contribute to the guild bank. I have also taken part in numerous, spontaneous group dances, musical numbers, etc all of which never happen in a purely single player game. ESO is as social as you want it to be.

LalMirchi

Yes, joining a social guild changes everything. Still remember the helpful guild people with respect and affection.

Rungar

Dungeon design/groupfinder is not really made for making friends. Its just a race to the finish unless your in a guild or know the people already.

[snip]

[Edited to remove Advertising and Bashing]

coop500

I usually keep to myself because people are DEMANDING. The first person I tried to socialize with since I returned to the game constantly wanted me to check out his outfits... Like, dude, I got *** to do.
Same guy then tried to drag me into a IRL political discussion.

And generally, I have my own goals, but most people don't seem to care, they want ME to help THEM with their goals constantly. I don't mind helping folks, I'll help wet noodles run vet DLC dungeons and not lose my cool once unless someone is a total *** about it.

But there's a difference between that and just... Acting like the companion system is already in and I am one of the options. So yeah, it can be hard to socialize without getting roped into being someone's companion all day.

goldenarcher1

Came to thread hoping for annie lennox song.

ZOS_ConnorG

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marten_philip

I tried joining a guild, but most have inactive chats despite having 100 people online.
It really feels like I am playing world of warcraft and I left that game for the problems I described above.

I think I'll give swtor another shot Eso feels ruined by the community.

Linaleah

marten_philip wrote: »

I tried joining a guild, but most have inactive chats despite having 100 people online.
It really feels like I am playing world of warcraft and I left that game for the problems I described above.

I think I'll give swtor another shot Eso feels ruined by the community.

one guild and you give up? you must have gotten lucky in swtor or something.

I'm on two highly social communities in WoW, in several social guilds in ESO. did I find them on a first try? no! I joined and left guilds that ended up not being a good fit, its how finding a community works, my dude.

a person comes into a game, puts in no effort to find people to continuously play with. complains he has no people to play with. sigh....

VaranisArano

marten_philip wrote: »

I tried joining a guild, but most have inactive chats despite having 100 people online.
It really feels like I am playing world of warcraft and I left that game for the problems I described above.

I think I'll give swtor another shot Eso feels ruined by the community.

I hope swtor works out for you! In ESO, I find that the level of guild chatter depends on the guild. If you want a very interactive guild, it may take some time for you to find one that's right for you. I had three trading guilds; one was extremely social and the other two were pretty quiet. Something else to consider with guilds - if you are on PC, many guilds socialize on Discord.

Linaleah

VaranisArano wrote: »

marten_philip wrote: »

I tried joining a guild, but most have inactive chats despite having 100 people online.
It really feels like I am playing world of warcraft and I left that game for the problems I described above.

I think I'll give swtor another shot Eso feels ruined by the community.

I hope swtor works out for you! In ESO, I find that the level of guild chatter depends on the guild. If you want a very interactive guild, it may take some time for you to find one that's right for you. I had three trading guilds; one was extremely social and the other two were pretty quiet. Something else to consider with guilds - if you are on PC, many guilds socialize on Discord.

was about to edited my post to add discord info, but you were way ahead of me :P
yes, a lot of socialization happens in discord, in my experience. in part because it saves the chat, when its text rather then voice (though people chat in voice too), so you can come in and join in, and read back so that you are not so lost, plus it also means you can socialize even when you are not in game - so if something impromtu might happen and you have the time, you can pop in and not miss it. it doesn't help that this game has no built in, in game calendar, so any planned events/signups, really need to be posted elsewhere.

etchedpixels

marten_philip wrote: »

So....
People are so socially distant from one another I really ask myself... why? why are you playing Eso and not Skyrim or any other previous elder scrolls games, you clearely have no interest in playing a mmorpg as intended and only want to play by yourself.

I know a load of people who play this game because they've run out of Skyrim mods and the next proper elder scrolls game is going to be like 2030 at this rate. They see the fact you can turn off almost all the MMO stuff as a win.

But let me ask the question the other way around - if they are enjoying the game mostly solo why shouldn't they. They've paid for it, they aren't in your way.

There's plenty of group activity - just stand near an Alik'r dolmen 8)

Zorgon_The_Revenged

Join a guild, one with guild activities like skyshard collecting and world boss hunting etc. But then again you might find people just socializing in Discord and not actually playing the game.

Faded

"Why aren't people more social?!"

marten_philip wrote: »

So....

Long story short, love the game, hate the community.

Enjoy killing MMORPG gaming even further.

Cheers

It's a mystery. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

AcadianPaladin

marten_philip wrote: »

. . . People are so socially distant from one another I really ask myself... why? why are you playing Eso and not Skyrim or any other previous elder scrolls games, you clearely have no interest in playing a mmorpg as intended and only want to play by yourself. . . .

For me, the answer to that question is simple: Mass and Scale. My character adventured for 4000 hours in Oblivion and simply outgrew it. She then learned time travel and moved to Skyrim. She played there for another 4000 hours and outgrew that as well. We also grew tired of managing a large list of mods that both those games (especially Skyrim) required for us to fully enjoy. Both are good games but simply not that large. We then moved to ESO - our first MMO. The fact that ESO is multiplayer is a drawback we live with and, in fact, ESO is a pretty solo-friendly game (thank Kynareth). The mass and scale of ESO is magnificent. After more than 9000 hours happily soloing (mostly) ESO, we are nowhere near outgrowing the game.

I am constantly on the look out for a game that even better suits our needs but, to date, have not found one. Single player, massive scale, open world, full character customization, no requirement to form a party of NPCs, medieval fantasy environment. ESO is as close as I can get and is a good game.

ESO marketed itself accurately as trying to appeal to numerous audiences that included single player Elder Scrolls enthusiasts as well as MMO fans. There is plenty of room for differing play styles.

JKorr

I currently have 4 guilds; 3 social, one trading. And thank the Divines all of them will leave me alone unless, or until I ask for help. I have little to no interest in doing group content. I will, if a guildmate asks, cheerfully go along and kill whatever, but it isn't content I look for. Honestly, given the behavior I've seen in the past, I tend to ignore a lot of zone chat. Easy questions about location or what to do next I'll answer. Long discussions? No thanks.[and I learned to never, ever reply to a "crafter wanted" post in zone chat]

Out of curiosity; how can you do story content if you're dealing with a hundred people in chat or discord? It really doesn't seem as though you want a *game* as much as a social outlet.

vibeborn

That's fair you feel that way. Personally I've found the ESO community to be one of the friendliest and helpful game communities out there.
I must say I'm not a very social player so I initially feared the community aspect of the game, due to bad past experiences, but I was pleasantly surprised. But also as I see it, ESO can be enjoyed both alone and with other people, and tbh I see no problem with either. Would it make more sense for me to play a single player TES game instead since I'm not really a social being? Maybe so, but ESO still gives me so much, and the community is part of that

I had also always thought WOW was a social game since it's so popular? I guess not.

But such are we different
I wish you safe travels

AcadianPaladin

JKorr wrote: »

I currently have 4 guilds; 3 social, one trading. And thank the Divines all of them will leave me alone unless, or until I ask for help. I have little to no interest in doing group content. I will, if a guildmate asks, cheerfully go along and kill whatever, but it isn't content I look for. Honestly, given the behavior I've seen in the past, I tend to ignore a lot of zone chat. Easy questions about location or what to do next I'll answer. Long discussions? No thanks.[and I learned to never, ever reply to a "crafter wanted" post in zone chat]

Out of curiosity; how can you do story content if you're dealing with a hundred people in chat or discord? It really doesn't seem as though you want a *game* as much as a social outlet.

I play on PC and have 'zone' disabled in my chat box. I keep my friends list at zero to avoid push advertising my presence in game. I belong to a small guild and when we do things together, it is generally prearranged as a scheduled event that I can plan for. For those, we use discord. Because most of our small guild prefers soloing, we generally keep unsolicited use of our guild chat channel to a minimum. I'm pretty happy with the management of those I know.

My challenge to immersion is, I think, unavoidable in a multiplayer game: Encountering too many randoms in delves and during quests. Very anticlimactic to hope that I can get a light attack in before the other heroes in the area kill the delve/quest boss.

Vorpan

I love ESO's community. They're helpful and not so toxic like in other games I've played. There's lots to do alone and there is plenty to do with other people.

I'm in three social guilds. Two have very active guild chats. One is constantly doing group activities and is very welcoming. The other does couple group things a week. I don't know about the third other than I like their guild name. All three have great trader locations with no requirements other than to be online at least once every 14 days. No pressure from any guild to do things. They suit my needs, but it took me quite a while to find guilds that I really like. A good social guild that suits you is sometimes hard to find, but is worth it.

fredthefrown

This is what happens when your social life is dependent on video games. Most of us socialize enough irl so we don’t go around demanding that video game communities be super chatty and social

VaranisArano

fredthefrown wrote: »

This is what happens when your social life is dependent on video games. Most of us socialize enough irl so we don’t go around demanding that video game communities be super chatty and social

To be entirely fair, a lot of IRL social lives took a big hit this last year. My local friends don't game and some of my gaming friends I used to visit are, naturally, staying home. Online communities can be a really valuable social outlet, now more than ever.

It's simply a matter of finding the community that fits your needs. If you don't want a super chatty and social guild, cool! If you do, I hope you find one!

Grandchamp1989

marten_philip wrote: »

So....

I came back to ESO thinking it would be a great experience due to the massive additions of content over the previous years.
And to a certain extend it is! the content is great, gameplay still is very much enjoyable.
Pvp still is interesting and I even like the battle grounds.

BUT!

It still feels like a single player game like on release.

Even though they added so much group content to the game, the community has gone full world of warcraft mentality and the game is basically a full out single player experience with online lobbies for your crafting and selling or your LFG queueing.

People are so socially distant from one another I really ask myself... why? why are you playing Eso and not Skyrim or any other previous elder scrolls games, you clearely have no interest in playing a mmorpg as intended and only want to play by yourself.

It's a logical I simply don't get..

Must be me.. because the majority doesn't seem to care.

Even dungeon runs are exactly like world of warcraft now.
Queue, accept, enter, rush through it, leave with all players not sharing 1 word with one another..

Or the multiple PUG spamming in general chat LFM blabla link achie in dm.

I guess social gaming is a thing of the past and it's full out social distant zoomer single player rpg's.

Long story short, love the game, hate the community.



But I'm not going to buy expansion, dlc's and subscribe to a MMORPG when it's just a singleplayer experience.
I'd rather play Skyrim or Oblivion with a large database of mods.

Enjoy killing MMORPG gaming even further.

Cheers

You're not wrong... Even the quests are socially distant.

WHen I quest with my GF it's like playing the same game but apart.

Goes like this:

"Have you heard the dialogue? okey.. Where to next? Okey.. Did you pick that up? Great.. I need to pick it up too.. Have you finished the dialogue?"

Even if your characters are 2feet apart it doesn't feel like you're sharing the same experience.