Drakes rush

Foolebuilt_33

What is this stealth nerf? Nothing on any patch notes went from effecting 11 to 3.. killed the set before it even got released so now only useful in dungeons and arenas

actosh

Wow..... Longer CD would have been better....

Foolebuilt_33

Just to show original notes on it

Zer0_CooL

Good so, screw ultidumplings in cyro.

Pallio

Oh no now the ninja nerfs are going in on top of the published nerfs.. we got ZOS'd

Qbiken

Good

mikey_reach

Still pretty good though.

Pallio

PvP baby giggles aside, why nerf a trial set before it is even used in a trail.

Foolebuilt_33

mikey_reach wrote: »

Still pretty good though.

Really bad for any trial scenario

Foolebuilt_33

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we get an answer to why sets like this get stealth nerfs thats not included in pts notes that kills this set before it even gets used? Even in four man content there are better options to run at this point. This set would of been used on tanks in any scenario before now its just not worth it over other sets

Olupajmibanan

A weaker Arkasis Genius now

YandereGirlfriend

ZOS' pattern is really becoming clear at this point - they're using shady stealth nerfs to avoid backlash when changing popular sets.

The set has been dumpster'd for anything other than dungeon runs and it absolutely demands an explanation.

Foolebuilt_33

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

ZOS' pattern is really becoming clear at this point - they're using shady stealth nerfs to avoid backlash when changing popular sets.

The set has been dumpster'd for anything other than dungeon runs and it absolutely demands an explanation.

Even in dungeons and arenas (when doing 3 dps) olorime is a better option for the tank or pa or in most cases the tank will be wearing pa and olo even when not doing 3 dps there are far better support sets to be ran after this stealth nerf

UtopianWarrior88

I agree with what's mentioned above - @ZOS_GinaBruno : why are these things not announced in our natch potes? Not a minor oversight I'd say.

Nairinhe

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Good so, screw ultidumplings in cyro.

Replies like this are the reason I sometimes hope that ESO's PVP just hecking dies in the throes of agony already.
Even when I enjoy a BG now and then.

nesakinter

Good, it was pretty much a set in PvP for ball groups and zergs. Anything that disproportionately boosts zergs in PvP deserves a nerf.

Foolebuilt_33

nesakinter wrote: »

Good, it was pretty much a set in PvP for ball groups and zergs. Anything that disproportionately boosts zergs in PvP deserves a nerf.

Counter argument would of been an actual good set in pve trials but now it's dead and will probly never be used when there are better sets than it at this point like arkasis... it generates more ult at this point than drakes rush

Sangwyne

Wow, the one promising change that I was looking forward to seeing come out of this next patch for tanks... and they dumpster it before it even made it to the last PTS cycle. And with a stealth nerf too, of course. With the increases to base HP for DPS and healers, I was thinking about dropping Ebon in favor of something granting a more tangible bonus to group members, and this seemed to fit that niche perfectly. Didn't even seem all that strong, it was equivalent to 3 ult/1.5s with 12s/18s uptime, or about 1.33 ult/s for group members. I really should have expected that ZOS wouldn't actually let something nice for tanks slip through the cracks for once.

UntilValhalla13

Wasn't that set going to be one of the only useful things to bother with in the upcoming patch? I guess there's no reason to run the new dungeons now.

YandereGirlfriend

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

I guess there's no reason to run the new dungeons now.

Also known as "Kyne's Aegis Syndrome."

Foolebuilt_33

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

Wasn't that set going to be one of the only useful things to bother with in the upcoming patch? I guess there's no reason to run the new dungeons now.

The monster helm.that increases flame damage is now the only thing useful on upcoming patch

TC_Lee13

Would love to see the "Developers Comments" about this.

Qbiken

Imagine thinking this set is bad after the deserved ninja rework. I'd even argue it's still too strong due to the fact that having a 66% uptime on major heroism is absolutely ridiculously strong in any given context, be it PvP or PvE.

satanio

Foolebuilt_33 wrote: »

nesakinter wrote: »

Good, it was pretty much a set in PvP for ball groups and zergs. Anything that disproportionately boosts zergs in PvP deserves a nerf.

Counter argument would of been an actual good set in pve trials but now it's dead and will probly never be used when there are better sets than it at this point like arkasis... it generates more ult at this point than drakes rush

Only if you invest fully in potion CD(30 s). If you have 33 sec CD on potion it generates appx the same amount. They are pretty similar, both have advantages (ark - range and greater potential, rush - decisive trait synergy and no need to adjust the build) and disadvantages (ark - use of potion on CD and build restrictive, rush - range and lesser potential)

That nerf, however, is sad, because I think it would be better to have something for 4+man environment, too, since now we are stuck with more or less the same 2 sets. So the change in the direction of uptime nerf would be better than nerfing the target cap, but what can we do .

lolo_01b16_ESO

Qbiken wrote: »

Imagine thinking this set is bad after the deserved ninja rework. I'd even argue it's still too strong due to the fact that having a 66% uptime on major heroism is absolutely ridiculously strong in any given context, be it PvP or PvE.

How is it still too strong?
You get less ulti than with arkasis and even arkasis has only been used when it worked out of combat.
Before the nerf it was a decent option for the Offtank, but now it's just an addition to the sticker book.

Raegwyr

mikey_reach wrote: »

Still pretty good though.

Bad for trials and for dungeons you got much better sets.

Pls zos revert this change and instead increase cooldown or change the range of this set. In current state it is useless junk

Zand3rs

I was really looking forward to this set as a new trial tank. It would have given me the perfect opportunity to relax a bit more and learn mechanics instead of having so much more to learn at the same time.

Seriously. It was perfect for PVE.
When are you going to introduce pvp only gear and stop nerfing stuff because they happen to be to good inside pvp???

This system with sets between pve and pvp is only ruining stuff for both sides.
Wake up!!!

Sleep724

Qbiken wrote: »

Imagine thinking this set is bad after the deserved ninja rework. I'd even argue it's still too strong due to the fact that having a 66% uptime on major heroism is absolutely ridiculously strong in any given context, be it PvP or PvE.

So then Wardens having almost 100% uptime of major heroism in pvp against any opponent who uses ranged attacks is too strong as well.

Foolebuilt_33

Was really hoping a dev would pop in and comment on this

sirpz

pvp players are insufferable and incredibly whiny, pve meta has been the exact same forever for tanks, it wouldve been fun to have a new interesting set to use, now its just garbage

kojou

All they had to do is add these 6 magic words to the tool tip and all would be fine: "while in a dungeon or trial"