Argonian Resistance not working on PTS (Video) UPDATE --not fixed oops :D

Dr_Ganknstein

Something I noticed while on PTS. The Argonian Resistance passive is not working or just not showing up under advanced stats. Also DO you guys think the healing portion of Resourceful should be affected by Battle Spirit?
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https://youtu.be/9PgqcNXJEzI

Dr_Ganknstein

I compared it with dark elf and wood elf and their resistances changed.

Tommy_The_Gun

Dr_Ganknstein wrote: »

Also DO you guys think the healing portion of Resourceful should be affected by Battle Spirit?

You mean health restored when you drink a potion ? Umm... reduced by 55%, so 3125 -> 1407 ? ? ?

It is already pretty "meh" on live with 4000 value, and next patch, if it goes live as it is (and it would seem so, as we had no racial update and only 1 round of PTS left) it will be basically a "dead weight" passive when it comes to determining race power budget - similar to how live mender is - not giving any clear benefit but adds more to something totally irrelevant.

Well, as far as I can tell this passive is a flat value, not affected by any CP or set % healing bonus or even Live Mender passive (6% healing done) itself, therefore it should also not be affected by any "healing received" de-buff as it is different mechanics / effect.

I mean people were saying that Argonians need some buffs, not nerfs... and they got nerfs lol... poor lizards.

Edit: btw. good find with that bug.

Dr_Ganknstein

Yes the heal from resourceful is decreased by 55%. I was just wondering if others thought it shouldn't.

Tommy_The_Gun

Dr_Ganknstein wrote: »

Yes the heal from resourceful is decreased by 55%. I was just wondering if others thought it shouldn't.

Wait.. it IS affected ?! What the actual....
Please, tell me you bug-reported it...

Dr_Ganknstein

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Dr_Ganknstein wrote: »

Yes the heal from resourceful is decreased by 55%. I was just wondering if others thought it shouldn't.

Wait.. it IS affected ?! What the actual....
Please, tell me you bug-reported it...

No but I will. I wasn't sure if this was known to everyone else already.

Tommy_The_Gun

I logged in onto PTS and tested it myself.

Yes, it is affected by Battle Spirit. Oddly, it is not affected by any healing done bonus % modifier.

Battle spirit gives 50% healing received reduction. But, Resourceful proc is not affected by any % healing done bonus. Tried it with & without live mender passive and with or without Order of Diagna set equipped:

https://eso-sets.com/set/order-of-diagna
(5 items) Adds 5% Healing Taken, Gain Minor Vitality at all times, increasing your healing received by 8%.

Resourceful proc is not affected by healing received buffs, but is affected by healing de-buff (Battle spirit). Wonder if other de-buffs, such as Defile is affecting Resourceful...

Most likely a serious bug.

Dr_Ganknstein

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I logged in onto PTS and tested it myself.

Yes, it is affected by Battle Spirit. Oddly, it is not affected by any healing done bonus % modifier.

Battle spirit gives 50% healing received reduction. But, Resourceful proc is not affected by any % healing done bonus. Tried it with & without live mender passive and with or without Order of Diagna set equipped:

https://eso-sets.com/set/order-of-diagna
(5 items) Adds 5% Healing Taken, Gain Minor Vitality at all times, increasing your healing received by 8%.

Resourceful proc is not affected by healing received buffs, but is affected by healing de-buff (Battle spirit). Wonder if other de-buffs, such as Defile is affecting Resourceful...

Most likely a serious bug.

wow, very interesting. I wonder if this was intended?

Vizirith

Good, I was very worried about how OP argonians were going to be.

Ratzkifal

To be honest I am not surprised by Resourceful being affected by battlespirit. It gets affected by positive modifiers to healing too like the bonus to healing done (and healing received, back when they still had both).

I am not a fan of Resourceful being tied to potions anyway, so I'd prefer if they replaced it with tristat regen (health regen isn't affected by battlespirit) since those stats can be specialized into with buffs and passives but can't be wasted like Resourceful when used at full health and resources.

Tommy_The_Gun

Vizirith wrote: »

Good, I was very worried about how OP argonians were going to be.

You must be joking. Currently on live Argonians are not even in pvp meta. Granted, they can be used and are more like a "viable" choice, but they are nowhere near Orcs, Altmers, Bretons, Nords or Imperials. Also, keep in mind that they will not have 4000 health / mag / stam every 45 seconds when they drink a potion. They will have 3125. This alone places them kinda away even from a "viable" section for PvP.

This thing with battle spirit affecting Resourceful is most certainly a bug or a huge oversight. If this was the case, then battle spirit should also reduce passive recoveries, right ? Health recovery is technically also a "healing received"

Additionally, Resourceful passive (like it is mentioned in previous posts) is not affected by % healing done / received bonus - meaning that it should also not receive any de-buff. That is like... lets say you have things that reduce cost of abilities & things that increase cost of abilities, but certain skill would only be affected by cost increase. It does not make sense.

It would be fine if I could use minor / major Mending to buff Resourceful. Then yes, then it would make sense that a de-buff could also affect it. But right now it does not make much sense.

Edit:
I have tried to think of any other race that once it enters Cyrodill / BGs / IC has weaker passives / becomes weaker... but could not find any. This is basically... lets say a Khajiit enters Cyrodiil and all of the sudden it gets only half of health recovery. This is another reason why I think it is not intended. If health recovery is not affected by Battle Spirit, then Resourceful should not be affected also.

YandereGirlfriend

So in other words their passive can be nerfed but never buffed? Sounds fair!

The individual in charge of racial balance definitely belongs to House Dres.

Anyron

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

Good, I was very worried about how OP argonians were going to be.

You must be joking. Currently on live Argonians are not even in pvp meta. Granted, they can be used and are more like a "viable" choice, but they are nowhere near Orcs, Altmers, Bretons, Nords or Imperials. Also, keep in mind that they will not have 4000 health / mag / stam every 45 seconds when they drink a potion. They will have 3125. This alone places them kinda away even from a "viable" section for PvP.

This thing with battle spirit affecting Resourceful is most certainly a bug or a huge oversight. If this was the case, then battle spirit should also reduce passive recoveries, right ? Health recovery is technically also a "healing received"

Additionally, Resourceful passive (like it is mentioned in previous posts) is not affected by % healing done / received bonus - meaning that it should also not receive any de-buff. That is like... lets say you have things that reduce cost of abilities & things that increase cost of abilities, but certain skill would only be affected by cost increase. It does not make sense.

It would be fine if I could use minor / major Mending to buff Resourceful. Then yes, then it would make sense that a de-buff could also affect it. But right now it does not make much sense.

Edit:
I have tried to think of any other race that once it enters Cyrodill / BGs / IC has weaker passives / becomes weaker... but could not find any. This is basically... lets say a Khajiit enters Cyrodiil and all of the sudden it gets only half of health recovery. This is another reason why I think it is not intended. If health recovery is not affected by Battle Spirit, then Resourceful should not be affected also.

ehm.. im quite sure this was sarcasm
now to topic.. this is real bug that is going to severely hit argonian if they dont fix it..
can someone check if healing by potion ( i mean if potion on tooltip heals for 7k if it really heals for 7k) isnt affected by battle spirit too ?

Josira

It'll be ignored. It wont matter. It'll just be ignored.

Tommy_The_Gun

Anyron wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Vizirith wrote: »

Good, I was very worried about how OP argonians were going to be.

You must be joking. Currently on live Argonians are not even in pvp meta. Granted, they can be used and are more like a "viable" choice, but they are nowhere near Orcs, Altmers, Bretons, Nords or Imperials. Also, keep in mind that they will not have 4000 health / mag / stam every 45 seconds when they drink a potion. They will have 3125. This alone places them kinda away even from a "viable" section for PvP.

This thing with battle spirit affecting Resourceful is most certainly a bug or a huge oversight. If this was the case, then battle spirit should also reduce passive recoveries, right ? Health recovery is technically also a "healing received"

Additionally, Resourceful passive (like it is mentioned in previous posts) is not affected by % healing done / received bonus - meaning that it should also not receive any de-buff. That is like... lets say you have things that reduce cost of abilities & things that increase cost of abilities, but certain skill would only be affected by cost increase. It does not make sense.

It would be fine if I could use minor / major Mending to buff Resourceful. Then yes, then it would make sense that a de-buff could also affect it. But right now it does not make much sense.

Edit:
I have tried to think of any other race that once it enters Cyrodill / BGs / IC has weaker passives / becomes weaker... but could not find any. This is basically... lets say a Khajiit enters Cyrodiil and all of the sudden it gets only half of health recovery. This is another reason why I think it is not intended. If health recovery is not affected by Battle Spirit, then Resourceful should not be affected also.

ehm.. im quite sure this was sarcasm
now to topic.. this is real bug that is going to severely hit argonian if they dont fix it..
can someone check if healing by potion ( i mean if potion on tooltip heals for 7k if it really heals for 7k) isnt affected by battle spirit too ?

Yeah, now I see that it was joke...
I guess I was accidentally triggerd lol
Funny thing is I was also testing Orc's passive (Unflinching Rage) and it does not seem to be affected by Battle Spirit. I mean I had some tiny health recovery (base), I tried to lower it as much as I could for a better test result, and it seemed like I was getting full health restore from Orc passive.

Dr_Ganknstein

Hopefully this gets fixed.

Dr_Ganknstein

Just wanted to let anyone who cared know that I checked PTS this morning and Argonian Resistance is working! Ty whoever fixed this, maybe it was just an advanced stats bug?

Dr_Ganknstein

Ok nevermind it wasnt fixed. I forgot my character was race changed to wood elf lol.

Dr_Ganknstein

Just checked, still not working.