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New CP and next update - is it really raising the floor and lowering the ceiling? - dmg version
zvavi
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tl;dr
gear, race and cp matters less. (khajits hit the jackpot with a relative buff compared to other races).
Individual skill, group buffs (including group sets), correct mundus and traits matter more than ever.
For the simplicity of the matter I will explain only for magicka characters, and take sorc as my example (all hail the one and only master class):
Lets start with gear. damage gear usually have 3 stats we are looking for. max mag, spell damage and crit.
Crit gear gets nerfed - from 3.8% to 3%, which is a 21% nerf.
Spell damage gets hit by diminishing returns - since we have 1540 more spell damage from live (cp+base is 1100, being a sorc I get 40% more from sorceries and my own passives) which means our all over spall + mag/10.5 moves from 8200~ effective spell dmg total to 10,300~ effective spell damage total. which means buffs of spell damage, that would have added 10% damage (820 spell damage after buffs) would only give us 8% damage in the new cp. giving us a relative nerf of effectiveness of 20% on spell damage bonuses.
Max mag gets hit by the same diminishing returns as spell damage, but also from another 16% nerf from no more 20% boost from cp. total of 33% nerf (after calculations)!!!
Conclusion: Crit gear bonuses are still BiS. all gear matters less by at least 20%. Unless you are Mechanical Acuity. mark my word new meta is mechanical acuity.
CP:
Nothing much to cover here, smaller % over all, no more bonus on off balance enemies, being forced to flank for 15% crit damage (yey?) ye.... CP matters less. Which is good imho.
Group buffs:
New major heroism set introduced. new 5% flame dmg set introduced. Since we have more sustain we will see movement from sustain support sets to more damage support sets (yey).
General damage nerfs:
By my tests, after optimizing mundus, sets, cp, skills, etc etc, I am losing around 4.5% of damage (7% in fights I cant flank). This is offset in dungeons by a much better sustain(we might be able to run Siroria everywhere. and in trials, we will have more support sets (also movement from regen oriented sets to dmg buff ones). So generally I think power level of players stays the same.
Conclusion:
So who gets nerfed? Who gets buffed?
Non optimized groups that rely on high CP and gold gear, getting nerfed.
Low CP characters with mediocre gear, getting buffed.
Optimized groups are staying more or less on the same spot.
I think that the new update brings a nice balance dps-wise of lifting floor a bit and keeping ceiling more or less the same. good luck in vSS hm portal though where we don't have group buffs xd.
trait-wise:
divines still going strong.
Infused getting hit by a roundabout nerf of 33% (same as max mag/stam in gear)
everything else has nothing to do with dps.
mundus stone wise:
shadow and thief going strong.
max resources stones 33% nerf.
spell dmg/weapon dmg 20% nerf.
everything else has nothing to do with dps.
I will miss my crit though. (7%-ish?)
Edited by zvavi on February 16, 2021 5:58PM gear, race and cp matters less. (khajits hit the jackpot with a relative buff compared to other races).
Individual skill, group buffs (including group sets), correct mundus and traits matter more than ever.
For the simplicity of the matter I will explain only for magicka characters, and take sorc as my example (all hail the one and only master class):
Lets start with gear. damage gear usually have 3 stats we are looking for. max mag, spell damage and crit.
Crit gear gets nerfed - from 3.8% to 3%, which is a 21% nerf.
Spell damage gets hit by diminishing returns - since we have 1540 more spell damage from live (cp+base is 1100, being a sorc I get 40% more from sorceries and my own passives) which means our all over spall + mag/10.5 moves from 8200~ effective spell dmg total to 10,300~ effective spell damage total. which means buffs of spell damage, that would have added 10% damage (820 spell damage after buffs) would only give us 8% damage in the new cp. giving us a relative nerf of effectiveness of 20% on spell damage bonuses.
Max mag gets hit by the same diminishing returns as spell damage, but also from another 16% nerf from no more 20% boost from cp. total of 33% nerf (after calculations)!!!
Conclusion: Crit gear bonuses are still BiS. all gear matters less by at least 20%. Unless you are Mechanical Acuity. mark my word new meta is mechanical acuity.
CP:
Nothing much to cover here, smaller % over all, no more bonus on off balance enemies, being forced to flank for 15% crit damage (yey?) ye.... CP matters less. Which is good imho.
Group buffs:
New major heroism set introduced. new 5% flame dmg set introduced. Since we have more sustain we will see movement from sustain support sets to more damage support sets (yey).
General damage nerfs:
By my tests, after optimizing mundus, sets, cp, skills, etc etc, I am losing around 4.5% of damage (7% in fights I cant flank). This is offset in dungeons by a much better sustain(we might be able to run Siroria everywhere. and in trials, we will have more support sets (also movement from regen oriented sets to dmg buff ones). So generally I think power level of players stays the same.
Conclusion:
So who gets nerfed? Who gets buffed?
Non optimized groups that rely on high CP and gold gear, getting nerfed.
Low CP characters with mediocre gear, getting buffed.
Optimized groups are staying more or less on the same spot.
I think that the new update brings a nice balance dps-wise of lifting floor a bit and keeping ceiling more or less the same. good luck in vSS hm portal though where we don't have group buffs xd.
trait-wise:
divines still going strong.
Infused getting hit by a roundabout nerf of 33% (same as max mag/stam in gear)
everything else has nothing to do with dps.
mundus stone wise:
shadow and thief going strong.
max resources stones 33% nerf.
spell dmg/weapon dmg 20% nerf.
everything else has nothing to do with dps.
I will miss my crit though. (7%-ish?)
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✭If your new to the game you got buffed. If your old to the game you got nerfed but will likely get most, if not all or more, of it back.0 -
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✭✭Oh my, ZOS's attempt to reduce the value of crit actually made crit equally or even more valuable than before due to diminishing returns on other stats.
Who could have predicted that ZOS would again be stepping on rakes in their attempts to adjust balance?
Excellent info btw.Edited by Mindcr0w on February 16, 2021 6:58PM1 -
ErMurazor✭✭✭✭✭You say Mechanical Acuity will be new Meta and then you say Siroria will be used everywhere ..hmmmm0
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✭✭✭✭✭You say Mechanical Acuity will be new Meta and then you say Siroria will be used everywhere ..hmmmm
Well ye, together xd. The extra sustain will let people drop pfg for pmos, while mechanical will sub ms/medusa.
The only gear stat that didn't get nerfed is minor slayer, which makes it more important to run...Edited by zvavi on February 16, 2021 7:15PM0 -
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✭✭Care to speculate on what sets are interesting if Mechanic Acuity receives its own 'adjustment' in an upcoming patch?PC NA0 -
ErMurazor✭✭✭✭✭You say Mechanical Acuity will be new Meta and then you say Siroria will be used everywhere ..hmmmm
Well ye, together xd. The extra sustain will let people drop pfg for pmos, while mechanical will sub ms/medusa.
The only gear stat that didn't get nerfed is minor slayer, which makes it more important to run...
Siroria cant be used everywhere, vas and vcr for example. I think Medusa will be meta.Edited by ErMurazor on February 16, 2021 8:04PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You say Mechanical Acuity will be new Meta and then you say Siroria will be used everywhere ..hmmmm
Well ye, together xd. The extra sustain will let people drop pfg for pmos, while mechanical will sub ms/medusa.
The only gear stat that didn't get nerfed is minor slayer, which makes it more important to run...
Siroria cant be used everywhere, vas and vcr for example. I think Medusa will be meta.
:shrug: the meta is speculation on my side, I might be wrong. but generally the whole thing was to show that crit sets are still the good sets even after the nerfs (with trial sets also being top dogs thanks to their 5% bonus on 3rd piece)Care to speculate on what sets are interesting if Mechanic Acuity receives its own 'adjustment' in an upcoming patch?
more or less the same tbf.0