give us reliable resto staff self heal

Anyron

can you please, change rapid regen to be self heal only (like resolving vigour is while radiating regen is kept for smart healing) , or healing ward to be self only?

i am tired of dying just because my heal got someone else.

Starlight_Whisper

O.o they are great heals for healers. There's other skill lines for self heals

Vevvev

Think that goes to Blessing of Restoration, but I do agree it'd be nice to have something that worked like Resolving Vigor.

Starlight_Whisper

Vevvev wrote: »

Think that goes to Blessing of Restoration, but I do agree it'd be nice to have something that worked like Resolving Vigor.

In a different skill line. Healers barely have anything in the game.

Sanctum74

We had it for a couple months with the healing change, but I guess it’s back to my heal going to the guy light attacking upstairs while I’m trying to fight a zerg on the flags.

the1andonlyskwex

Resto staff is the wrong place for selfish heals.

Anyron

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Resto staff is the wrong place for selfish heals.

I am sure one morph can be "sacrificed". then you still have radiating regen. I doubt you are using both at the same time

Even if not, healing ward still should be self only.

Sanctum74

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Resto staff is the wrong place for selfish heals.

Because having to slot a different weapon in the hopes you might get a heal after pressing a button 3 times is selfish? That’s hilarious 🤣

YandereGirlfriend

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Resto staff is the wrong place for selfish heals.

Going to have to disagree with you here.

Resto Staff is the only access to heals that many classes have and having to rely upon RNG to work is simply bad design.

Rapid Regen should be a self-heal a la Resolving Vigor.

Radiating Regen should be the group heal a la Resounding Vigor.

Kolzki

If there's an alternative right place to find basic selfish heals for a magblade then I'd like to know thanks (you know... without dropping the class defining skill). Otherwise a resto staff morph that removes the rng would be great.

Fennwitty

Or gives more weight to the caster if low on HP. Healer can't heal if healer's dead.

the1andonlyskwex

Kolzki wrote: »

If there's an alternative right place to find basic selfish heals for a magblade then I'd like to know thanks (you know... without dropping the class defining skill). Otherwise a resto staff morph that removes the rng would be great.

1) There are tons of guild, world, and alliance skill lines.
2) An argument could probably be made that having access to both cloak and a reliable self heal at the same time would be overpowered. I'm not going to make that argument now though.
3) If the only class we're worried about here is Nightblade, Shrewd Offering seems like a good place to start.

Anyron

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

If there's an alternative right place to find basic selfish heals for a magblade then I'd like to know thanks (you know... without dropping the class defining skill). Otherwise a resto staff morph that removes the rng would be great.

1) There are tons of guild, world, and alliance skill lines.
2) An argument could probably be made that having access to both cloak and a reliable self heal at the same time would be overpowered. I'm not going to make that argument now though.
3) If the only class we're worried about here is Nightblade, Shrewd Offering seems like a good place to start.

Ok
So stamblade with cloak, superior damage to magblade and also better heal is ok with you?
Why should stam have better heals than magicka?
Vigor also isnt weapon dependant while rapid regen is. I think that is limitation enough.
I dont know how it is with you, but when i slot weapon for healing i WANT to get that heal. I dont have time to press healing 4 or more times until rng pick me to be healed and spent 10k magicka to do so

some time ago stamina had damage and mobility as their tools while magicka had healing and shields. With constant shield nerfing it isnt worthy to slot LA shield
And now, for some time stam has even better heals.

Faded

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

If there's an alternative right place to find basic selfish heals for a magblade then I'd like to know thanks (you know... without dropping the class defining skill). Otherwise a resto staff morph that removes the rng would be great.

1) There are tons of guild, world, and alliance skill lines.
2) An argument could probably be made that having access to both cloak and a reliable self heal at the same time would be overpowered. I'm not going to make that argument now though.
3) If the only class we're worried about here is Nightblade, Shrewd Offering seems like a good place to start.

1) Yes there are
2) Stamblades have access to both cloak and a reliable self-heal at the same time, but let's hear it
3) Wait what they took my useful crowd control ability and gave me a shadow-colored healer skill? None of us ever noticed it or tried to make it work, thanks for the info

the1andonlyskwex

Faded wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

If there's an alternative right place to find basic selfish heals for a magblade then I'd like to know thanks (you know... without dropping the class defining skill). Otherwise a resto staff morph that removes the rng would be great.

1) There are tons of guild, world, and alliance skill lines.
2) An argument could probably be made that having access to both cloak and a reliable self heal at the same time would be overpowered. I'm not going to make that argument now though.
3) If the only class we're worried about here is Nightblade, Shrewd Offering seems like a good place to start.

1) Yes there are
2) Stamblades have access to both cloak and a reliable self-heal at the same time, but let's hear it
3) Wait what they took my useful crowd control ability and gave me a shadow-colored healer skill? None of us ever noticed it or tried to make it work, thanks for the info

Shrewd Offering was added sometime before Summerset, so whatever it replaced can't have been that useful if you didn't even notice.

Faded

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Faded wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

If there's an alternative right place to find basic selfish heals for a magblade then I'd like to know thanks (you know... without dropping the class defining skill). Otherwise a resto staff morph that removes the rng would be great.

1) There are tons of guild, world, and alliance skill lines.
2) An argument could probably be made that having access to both cloak and a reliable self heal at the same time would be overpowered. I'm not going to make that argument now though.
3) If the only class we're worried about here is Nightblade, Shrewd Offering seems like a good place to start.

1) Yes there are
2) Stamblades have access to both cloak and a reliable self-heal at the same time, but let's hear it
3) Wait what they took my useful crowd control ability and gave me a shadow-colored healer skill? None of us ever noticed it or tried to make it work, thanks for the info

Shrewd Offering was added sometime before Summerset, so whatever it replaced can't have been that useful if you didn't even notice.

Lol

iksde

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Faded wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

If there's an alternative right place to find basic selfish heals for a magblade then I'd like to know thanks (you know... without dropping the class defining skill). Otherwise a resto staff morph that removes the rng would be great.

1) There are tons of guild, world, and alliance skill lines.
2) An argument could probably be made that having access to both cloak and a reliable self heal at the same time would be overpowered. I'm not going to make that argument now though.
3) If the only class we're worried about here is Nightblade, Shrewd Offering seems like a good place to start.

1) Yes there are
2) Stamblades have access to both cloak and a reliable self-heal at the same time, but let's hear it
3) Wait what they took my useful crowd control ability and gave me a shadow-colored healer skill? None of us ever noticed it or tried to make it work, thanks for the info

Shrewd Offering was added sometime before Summerset, so whatever it replaced can't have been that useful if you didn't even notice.

I wish I could heal use this offering myself, all I can do right now I can spam it only on allies and kill myself if not casting any other heals for myself, thank ZOS! for taking away strategic CC for long distance for this

ApostateHobo

Yes please I would love to be able to heal myself on my magblade instead of literally everyone else around me

brandonv516

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Faded wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

If there's an alternative right place to find basic selfish heals for a magblade then I'd like to know thanks (you know... without dropping the class defining skill). Otherwise a resto staff morph that removes the rng would be great.

1) There are tons of guild, world, and alliance skill lines.
2) An argument could probably be made that having access to both cloak and a reliable self heal at the same time would be overpowered. I'm not going to make that argument now though.
3) If the only class we're worried about here is Nightblade, Shrewd Offering seems like a good place to start.

1) Yes there are
2) Stamblades have access to both cloak and a reliable self-heal at the same time, but let's hear it
3) Wait what they took my useful crowd control ability and gave me a shadow-colored healer skill? None of us ever noticed it or tried to make it work, thanks for the info

Shrewd Offering was added sometime before Summerset, so whatever it replaced can't have been that useful if you didn't even notice.

It was basically Rune Cage without the DoT on cast. Yeah...so useless!

the1andonlyskwex

brandonv516 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Faded wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

If there's an alternative right place to find basic selfish heals for a magblade then I'd like to know thanks (you know... without dropping the class defining skill). Otherwise a resto staff morph that removes the rng would be great.

1) There are tons of guild, world, and alliance skill lines.
2) An argument could probably be made that having access to both cloak and a reliable self heal at the same time would be overpowered. I'm not going to make that argument now though.
3) If the only class we're worried about here is Nightblade, Shrewd Offering seems like a good place to start.

1) Yes there are
2) Stamblades have access to both cloak and a reliable self-heal at the same time, but let's hear it
3) Wait what they took my useful crowd control ability and gave me a shadow-colored healer skill? None of us ever noticed it or tried to make it work, thanks for the info

Shrewd Offering was added sometime before Summerset, so whatever it replaced can't have been that useful if you didn't even notice.

It was basically Rune Cage without the DoT on cast. Yeah...so useless!

That was a reply to someone who took 3 years to realize Agony had been replaced. If a skill is gone for 3 years before you notice it's missing, it can't be very good. Also, I'm pretty sure the cc was broken by damage, so it wasn't really like (current) Rune Cage at all.

brandonv516

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Faded wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

If there's an alternative right place to find basic selfish heals for a magblade then I'd like to know thanks (you know... without dropping the class defining skill). Otherwise a resto staff morph that removes the rng would be great.

1) There are tons of guild, world, and alliance skill lines.
2) An argument could probably be made that having access to both cloak and a reliable self heal at the same time would be overpowered. I'm not going to make that argument now though.
3) If the only class we're worried about here is Nightblade, Shrewd Offering seems like a good place to start.

1) Yes there are
2) Stamblades have access to both cloak and a reliable self-heal at the same time, but let's hear it
3) Wait what they took my useful crowd control ability and gave me a shadow-colored healer skill? None of us ever noticed it or tried to make it work, thanks for the info

Shrewd Offering was added sometime before Summerset, so whatever it replaced can't have been that useful if you didn't even notice.

It was basically Rune Cage without the DoT on cast. Yeah...so useless!

That was a reply to someone who took 3 years to realize Agony had been replaced. If a skill is gone for 3 years before you notice it's missing, it can't be very good. Also, I'm pretty sure the cc was broken by damage, so it wasn't really like Rune Cage at all.

I'll listen to you when you've played the class longer than I have. It was a good skill but people have always been set in their ways.

It's replacement is even less used now but is still the strongest ally heal in the game.

the1andonlyskwex

brandonv516 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Faded wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

If there's an alternative right place to find basic selfish heals for a magblade then I'd like to know thanks (you know... without dropping the class defining skill). Otherwise a resto staff morph that removes the rng would be great.

1) There are tons of guild, world, and alliance skill lines.
2) An argument could probably be made that having access to both cloak and a reliable self heal at the same time would be overpowered. I'm not going to make that argument now though.
3) If the only class we're worried about here is Nightblade, Shrewd Offering seems like a good place to start.

1) Yes there are
2) Stamblades have access to both cloak and a reliable self-heal at the same time, but let's hear it
3) Wait what they took my useful crowd control ability and gave me a shadow-colored healer skill? None of us ever noticed it or tried to make it work, thanks for the info

Shrewd Offering was added sometime before Summerset, so whatever it replaced can't have been that useful if you didn't even notice.

It was basically Rune Cage without the DoT on cast. Yeah...so useless!

That was a reply to someone who took 3 years to realize Agony had been replaced. If a skill is gone for 3 years before you notice it's missing, it can't be very good. Also, I'm pretty sure the cc was broken by damage, so it wasn't really like Rune Cage at all.

I'll listen to you when you've played the class longer than I have. It was a good skill but people have always been set in their ways.

It's replacement is even less used now but is still the strongest ally heal in the game.

People use Healthy Offering, not Shrewd Offering, which is why I'm saying that Shrewd Offering seems like the natural thing to replace with a self heal.

the1andonlyskwex

I give up.

If you people really want to:
1) Be forced to equip a resto staff to get a self heal (making it undesirable for non-healers).
And
2) Be forced to choose between that self heal and one of the best group heals (making it undesirable for healers).
While
3) Diluting the identity of the restoration staff as a support weapon.

Who am I to stop you?

colossalvoids

At least a switch to heal myself and not everyone around would be helpful enough, Cyro healing change was a breath of fresh air.

YandereGirlfriend

colossalvoids wrote: »

At least a switch to heal myself and not everyone around would be helpful enough, Cyro healing change was a breath of fresh air.

Indeed. Not wasting heals on unaffiliated randoms was in itself a sort of sustain boost.

Astrid

Not a bad shout as PvE healers tend to lean towards Radiating Regen for more people hit per cast and a longer duration. Rapid regen turned into a purely self Heal over time wouldn’t be such a bad thing : )

Anyron

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

I give up.

If you people really want to:
1) Be forced to equip a resto staff to get a self heal (making it undesirable for non-healers).
And
2) Be forced to choose between that self heal and one of the best group heals (making it undesirable for healers).
While
3) Diluting the identity of the restoration staff as a support weapon.

Who am I to stop you?

There are 2 morphs one could be group oriented, one self
I cannot see issue here, healers doesnt need both morphs
Both non pet magsorcs and nightblades doesnt have proper heals. With proper i mean non interruptable cast heal independed on damage done

Anyron

Astrid wrote: »

Not a bad shout as PvE healers tend to lean towards Radiating Regen for more people hit per cast and a longer duration. Rapid regen turned into a purely self Heal over time wouldn’t be such a bad thing : )

Right, they did it with vigor why not resto staff

Qbiken

Ye wouldn't mind seeing Rapid Regeneration turning into a "selfheal only" morph.

Anyron

Qbiken wrote: »

Ye wouldn't mind seeing Rapid Regeneration turning into a "selfheal only" morph.

Or the other one it doesnt matter.. Atleast have something
You can see it right away how resto staff works, just jump off the roof of keep. Sometimes you need to use skill several times to get heal even at low health.
In close range fights you just cannot check if you got heal and casting it more times damages you more than heal, every second counts, especially in lag

Mayrael

Wait... Resto heals once again heal all the people instead of group only? O_o