Decouple pls race 3d model/appearance from passives

ZeroDPS · February 2021

What you think guys about this: better will be to decouple racial passives from visual 3d models, lets assume we create orc(so the appearance will be ork) but the skill line of racials, we will get through the blessing altars from every race. At the end we will have for instance imperial with the blessing of altmers altar, or something similar. This will give us free choice of race regardless of passives which already being CONSTANTLY changed/nerfed..... leave your comments below guys
@Gina_Bruno

Merllow · February 2021

It's a great idea to do the same mechanic as with vampires or werewolves. And really a great name "blessing ...". Moreover, there are quite a few races in the game, they are found in other alliances, since they made a choice and do not support the orders of their blood alliance. Players may also disagree with the alliance's policy and choose which side to be on. Maybe it's an orc who loves elven flowers))

Synthwavius · February 2021

It should be this way. What if an Altmer was a child of a High Elf and a Nord? Interracial relationships exist in Tamriel and having stiff passives doesn't make much sense

Marchastre · February 2021

Could have been way much better to integrate the passives as a sort of progression, linked to the champion system instead of the current iteration of the passives / champions points.

Have 10 tree of abilities, each representing one archetype of the races, each giving differents bonus you can pick from:

Orc - Pariah : Give differents bonus for the offtanking (increased regeneration after a parry, increased resistance after taking a large hit)
Argonian - Rootmender : Healer (Increase the heals and the magicka/stamina regen from a healer)
Altmer - Arcanist : Pve Magicka DPS (Give more crits, spell damage and bonus on hitting the same target)
Breton - Battlemage : PvP magicka dps ( Increase the magicka stats but also the ability to resist damages)
Dunmer - Hortator : Hybrid DPS (Bonus to magicka and stamina, bonus on the offstats of the characte, more penetration)
Bosmer - Hunter : PvP Stamina DPS (increased stamina damages against heavy armored target, increased detection range, decreased time period to enter in stealth)
Nord - Conqueror : Main tanking (Reduced damage taken, % of regeneration available when blocking, increased regeneration after taking a large hit)
Redguard - Blade Master : PvE Stamina dps (Increased crits, % of cleave damage, poison/bleed/disease dots improved)
Khajiit - Trickster : Utility (Increased movement speed, bonus given during combats when encountering certains thresholds/conditions, increased potions effect)
Imperial - Emperor : Synergy, groups and ultimates (Increased effects of synergy, increased ultimate generation, damage reduced depending of the positions of the allies)

At beginning, the character is only stuck with the archetype of his own race but once you're gaining CP, you can unlock the passives of the others archetypes and equip them.

But instead, we have the current system. Sigh.

ZeroDPS · February 2021

@ZOS_GinaBruno please take a look to this discussion

Firstmep · February 2021

And pass up on all those fat $$-s from race change tokens?
Let's be real here folks..

ZeroDPS · February 2021

they can earn in the same way, blessing altar change token. You create first char Altmer getting Altmers blessing altar passives after -> change token. I will definitely buy to change my blessing racial passives WITHOUT changing my loved character(mine is khajiit). Its easy guys, they just need to work a lil bit.

JohnOfMarkarth · February 2021

Firstmep wrote: »

And pass up on all those fat $$-s from race change tokens?
Let's be real here folks..

"racial" ... lets call them Talent... Talent Passive Change tokens

ZeroDPS · February 2021

JohnOfMarkarth wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

And pass up on all those fat $$-s from race change tokens?
Let's be real here folks..

"racial" ... lets call them Talent... Talent Passive Change tokens

this!

nukk3r · February 2021

Synthwavius wrote: »

It should be this way. What if an Altmer was a child of a High Elf and a Nord? Interracial relationships exist in Tamriel and having stiff passives doesn't make much sense

After much analysis of living specimens, the Council long ago determined that all "races" of elves and humans may mate with each other and bear fertile offspring. Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present.
— Notes on Racial Phylogeny

SaucyMcSauceface · February 2021

No. The racial passives are racial by nature. It is a key part of TES lore.

LadyNalcarya · February 2021

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

No. The racial passives are racial by nature. It is a key part of TES lore.

They could just make "flavour" passives like swimming speed racial passives and call the rest "talents" or something...

Ekzorka · February 2021

Leave your indeterminacy for the real life, please. We have got enough lore mockery in the last year.

ZeroDPS · February 2021

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

No. The racial passives are racial by nature. It is a key part of TES lore.

you are wrong my dude in current realm, if they create some racial passives and never change(because in real life nobody can change inherited illness for example) so you may be right. But ZOS constantly changing everything(more nerfing) so it more looks like some buffs neither racial passives!

Narvuntien · February 2021

ZeroDPS wrote: »

What you think guys about this: better will be to decouple racial passives from visual 3d models, lets assume we create orc(so the appearance will be ork) but the skill line of racials, we will get through the blessing altars from every race. At the end we will have for instance imperial with the blessing of altmers altar, or something similar. This will give us free choice of race regardless of passives which already being CONSTANTLY changed/nerfed..... leave your comments below guys
@Gina_Bruno

Are you role-playing or are you trying to min-max?

The racial passives barely matter just used the race you want to use. If you want to min-max why does the race of your character mater?

ZeroDPS · February 2021

Narvuntien wrote: »

ZeroDPS wrote: »

What you think guys about this: better will be to decouple racial passives from visual 3d models, lets assume we create orc(so the appearance will be ork) but the skill line of racials, we will get through the blessing altars from every race. At the end we will have for instance imperial with the blessing of altmers altar, or something similar. This will give us free choice of race regardless of passives which already being CONSTANTLY changed/nerfed..... leave your comments below guys
@Gina_Bruno

Are you role-playing or are you trying to min-max?

The racial passives barely matter just used the race you want to use. If you want to min-max why does the race of your character mater?

because it is aesthetics, and in my case I like cats! But also Im min maxer. So It would be very good if we dont have passives coupled into race. ESPECIALLY if as a new player you are not given any info that your chosen race has passives. Even more if for instance ZOS creates racial passives and NOT change it at all, I will understan that this is kinda racial identity. But what we have now is identity of ***! They constantly changing/nerfing all around, every single aspect of game. And this, my friend is not giving me good vibes. Hope you understand my point of view!

nukk3r · February 2021

ZeroDPS wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

ZeroDPS wrote: »

What you think guys about this: better will be to decouple racial passives from visual 3d models, lets assume we create orc(so the appearance will be ork) but the skill line of racials, we will get through the blessing altars from every race. At the end we will have for instance imperial with the blessing of altmers altar, or something similar. This will give us free choice of race regardless of passives which already being CONSTANTLY changed/nerfed..... leave your comments below guys
@Gina_Bruno

Are you role-playing or are you trying to min-max?

The racial passives barely matter just used the race you want to use. If you want to min-max why does the race of your character mater?

because it is aesthetics, and in my case I like cats! But also Im min maxer. So It would be very good if we dont have passives coupled into race. ESPECIALLY if as a new player you are not given any info that your chosen race has passives. Even more if for instance ZOS creates racial passives and NOT change it at all, I will understan that this is kinda racial identity. But what we have now is identity of ***! They constantly changing/nerfing all around, every single aspect of game. And this, my friend is not giving me good vibes. Hope you understand my point of view!

If you like cats, then make a cat. Or do you already parse for 100k to feel the ~3% difference in DPS between orc and khajiit?

ZeroDPS · February 2021

nukk3r wrote: »

ZeroDPS wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

ZeroDPS wrote: »

What you think guys about this: better will be to decouple racial passives from visual 3d models, lets assume we create orc(so the appearance will be ork) but the skill line of racials, we will get through the blessing altars from every race. At the end we will have for instance imperial with the blessing of altmers altar, or something similar. This will give us free choice of race regardless of passives which already being CONSTANTLY changed/nerfed..... leave your comments below guys
@Gina_Bruno

Are you role-playing or are you trying to min-max?

The racial passives barely matter just used the race you want to use. If you want to min-max why does the race of your character mater?

because it is aesthetics, and in my case I like cats! But also Im min maxer. So It would be very good if we dont have passives coupled into race. ESPECIALLY if as a new player you are not given any info that your chosen race has passives. Even more if for instance ZOS creates racial passives and NOT change it at all, I will understan that this is kinda racial identity. But what we have now is identity of ***! They constantly changing/nerfing all around, every single aspect of game. And this, my friend is not giving me good vibes. Hope you understand my point of view!

If you like cats, then make a cat. Or do you already parse for 100k to feel the ~3% difference in DPS between orc and khajiit?

I parse higher than that mate, and everything matters. If racial passives doesnt matter for you, why u are here?

QuebraRegra · February 2021

Synthwavius wrote: »

It should be this way. What if an Altmer was a child of a High Elf and a Nord? Interracial relationships exist in Tamriel and having stiff passives doesn't make much sense

they made an ESO lore declaration that the child is always the race of the mother.... Yet Bretons?

Ratzkifal · February 2021

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Synthwavius wrote: »

It should be this way. What if an Altmer was a child of a High Elf and a Nord? Interracial relationships exist in Tamriel and having stiff passives doesn't make much sense

they made an ESO lore declaration that the child is always the race of the mother.... Yet Bretons?

Bretons came to be in the Merethic Era through eugenics. The Merethic Era is fundamentally different from the eras that followed. Back then the Elves of High Rock interbred with their human slaves with the purpose of elevating them. This was only possible through the use of eugenics and strictly regulating who is allowed to have children with whom. But after many generations of this practise it resulted in a new caste of halfbreeds forming in High Rock which are now the Bretons.

It should be noted again that the Merethic Era was a lot stranger than the eras that followed. The gods were still walking freely on Tamriel back then. The Orcs for example were created from Aldmer followers of Trinimac when he was shamed and devoured by Boethia. You wouldn't think that this would change their genetics in any way, but it did. It looks like hybrid races like Bretons could only have formed during the Merethic Era but are now an impossibility because of the post-merethic eras having more rigid laws of nature.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · February 2021

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

No. The racial passives are racial by nature. It is a key part of TES lore.

They could just make "flavour" passives like swimming speed racial passives and call the rest "talents" or something...

And that would be useless

Xerge · February 2021

No.

JohnOfMarkarth · February 2021

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

No. The racial passives are racial by nature. It is a key part of TES lore.

Cant use argument of "lore" ... if lore doesnt apply to the passives themselves.

Thats like saying "Sweets are bad for you. Thats why I eat candy instead"

The passives do not adhere to lore by longshot after the last few patches. So theres 0. And I mean ZERO argument to be made about its mere presence being required to fill any kind of lore.

ZeroDPS · February 2021

Xerge wrote: »

No.

are you working at ZOS? xDDDD bhahaha

seecodenotgames · February 2021

Although from the initial idea doesn't sound good, it would actually be quite beneficial to my Redguard vampire, which has wasted stamina passives.

Benzux · February 2021

If you really cared about the appearance of your character that much, then you wouldn't care about the passives. Most of my characters are Argonians because they're my favourite race, and most of them DPS characters. Any race can do any role adequately, and if you really want to min-max for that extra ~1k DPS then choose a race that allows you to do so. Or, then make use of what you gain from your race in an interesting way. Like I tend to say, following the meta like it's a religion does not make you a good player, but making use of everything you have available to you in creative ways does.

The Races in Elder Scrolls have always been different from one another and have excelled at different things, and this will always be the case. Making races purely cosmetic would be a big slap in the face of established lore. Now, whether or not the current racial passives (poor Bosmer) and the changes coming to them (cough cough Orc spell damage cough cough) are lore-accurate is another topic entirely, but the main point is that the races being different from one another is a core part of the Elder Scrolls.

Adding something like "adventurer skills" (or whichever of the half a dozen or so names that get recycled every time this topic comes up you want to use) alongside distinct Racial Passives is something I could get behind, and would allow for more diversity. Of course, those would very quickly get analyzed by all the number-crunchers and then the "best build" for each playstyle would be born, but it might at the very least shut up all the people complaining about races.

Mettaricana · February 2021

I love this idea honestly i love wood elves and high elves my original stam sorc was a high elf way before race rebalance and race changes i changed her to a bosmer to be more stamina oriented with passives but i miss how my high elf looks and the redo of altmer racials just didnt fill the void. So i wholly support this idea
Good examples of play how you want

Tera online any race is fine for any role
Ff14 any race can be whatever

Thannazzar · February 2021

nukk3r wrote: »

Synthwavius wrote: »

It should be this way. What if an Altmer was a child of a High Elf and a Nord? Interracial relationships exist in Tamriel and having stiff passives doesn't make much sense

After much analysis of living specimens, the Council long ago determined that all "races" of elves and humans may mate with each other and bear fertile offspring. Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present.
— Notes on Racial Phylogeny

Though its still impolite to say that all elves are easy (even though you dont see any half orcsdo you!)

VaranisArano · February 2021

JohnOfMarkarth wrote: »

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

No. The racial passives are racial by nature. It is a key part of TES lore.

Cant use argument of "lore" ... if lore doesnt apply to the passives themselves.

Thats like saying "Sweets are bad for you. Thats why I eat candy instead"

The passives do not adhere to lore by longshot after the last few patches. So theres 0. And I mean ZERO argument to be made about its mere presence being required to fill any kind of lore.

The answer to "the lore was ignored to make certain passives" is not "throw out the lore entirely regarding passives."

That's silly.

The answer, for players who care about the lore, is to fix the current passives to better align with the lore and past TES games.

ZeroDPS · February 2021

VaranisArano wrote: »

JohnOfMarkarth wrote: »

SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »

No. The racial passives are racial by nature. It is a key part of TES lore.

Cant use argument of "lore" ... if lore doesnt apply to the passives themselves.

Thats like saying "Sweets are bad for you. Thats why I eat candy instead"

The passives do not adhere to lore by longshot after the last few patches. So theres 0. And I mean ZERO argument to be made about its mere presence being required to fill any kind of lore.

The answer to "the lore was ignored to make certain passives" is not "throw out the lore entirely regarding passives."

That's silly.

The answer, for players who care about the lore, is to fix the current passives to better align with the lore and past TES games.

bro we have seen enough... its obvious that ZOS literally unable to fix racial passives. Thats why it will be better to be decoupled from race/3d model of character and be like additional blessing.

Again, ZOS unable to adjust/fix/make players not go crazy

Icy_Waffles · February 2021

I’ve always been for the idea of being able to choose your race purely on lore and aesthetics and THEN being able to choose a blessing/ passives/ class DURING character creation. Creating a orc mag necro (and having good passives for it) would be awesome. I know orc got a spell dmg buff for some reason. I also know any race*can* work for every class but being able to pick a race for looks and passives that are BIS for what you want to do makes sense.

I’m always for more options and customization.