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What armor sets are these?
Pencisl2
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The "official" (multiple sites use these to represent the classes) concept art for all the classes has some of the best armor appearances in the game, but I don't know if any of them are actually in the game.
1) sorc This is by far my favorite, but I see nothing like it in game. Seems it would be a daggerfall set, but the pvp light set looks wildly different.
The helmet looks like the "hlaalu" style, but the one in game is much, MUCH less appealing.
2) warden It could be skinchanger, but the one in game leaves a lot to be desired compared to the above.
Are there any in the game more like the official art?
For example, The templar one, for example, is easy as it is just aldmeri dominion light pvp armor with a better dye job.
1) sorc This is by far my favorite, but I see nothing like it in game. Seems it would be a daggerfall set, but the pvp light set looks wildly different.
The helmet looks like the "hlaalu" style, but the one in game is much, MUCH less appealing.
2) warden It could be skinchanger, but the one in game leaves a lot to be desired compared to the above.
Are there any in the game more like the official art?
For example, The templar one, for example, is easy as it is just aldmeri dominion light pvp armor with a better dye job.
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Pencisl2✭Sylvermynx wrote: »
So to get silver dawn, just get cp150 and it will be a level bonus?
The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/0 -
nukk3r✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sylvermynx wrote: »
So to get silver dawn, just get cp150 and it will be a level bonus?
The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/
These are just cosmetic styles that you can apply to any gear. Like transmog in WoW. You can either get the style pages from their respective source activities or buy them in guild stores.0 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/
In those two cases, it looks like that's just the level requirement for those specific crafting materials (Rawhide is tier 1, Rubedo Leather is tier 10)
edit: Sapiarch motif drops from Alinor (Summerset) dailies; Silver Dawn drops from Moonhunter Keep.
Could look at guild traders, of course.
edit2: on TTC, Sapiarch looks pretty cheap. Silver Dawn, not so much.
edit3: "TTC" is Tamriel Trade Center, a website & addon that helps you find stuff on the multitude of guild traders
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/Edited by Kiralyn2000 on February 3, 2021 12:42AM1 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sapiarch+Style
It's a craftable armor motif. So is Silver Dawn. You find or buy (from the guild traders) the pages of the motifs. Once you learn them (read them when you acquire them), you learn the style to use in the Outfit System, and also learn the craftable style.
You might want to read up on the Outfit system and the crafting system. You can get various links with good info using google. And any style can be crafted for any level - as long as you have researched the correct number of traits.
Um. The crafting system is fairly complex. I'd really suggest google. I've been in this game over 2.5 years, and it took me the first 1.5 plus years to get my mains all the traits researched in all four crafts.Edited by Sylvermynx on February 3, 2021 12:42AM0 -
Pencisl2✭Sylvermynx wrote: »https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sapiarch+Style
It's a craftable armor motif. So is Silver Dawn. You find or buy (from the guild traders) the pages of the motifs. Once you learn them (read them when you acquire them), you learn the style to use in the Outfit System, and also learn the craftable style.
You might want to read up on the Outfit system and the craftable system. You can get various links with good info using google.
Alright, thanks. One of my guild has a lot of crafters, so could I just have them make me a level 1 version of each piece for the style?
Or would I have to hunt for pages exclusively?0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Guild crafters can make you armor to wear in those styles. If you want to use the Outfit System, you need to learn those styles yourself.
This setup in this game is very different....0 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sapiarch+Style
It's a craftable armor motif. So is Silver Dawn. You find or buy (from the guild traders) the pages of the motifs. Once you learn them (read them when you acquire them), you learn the style to use in the Outfit System, and also learn the craftable style.
You might want to read up on the Outfit system and the craftable system. You can get various links with good info using google.
Alright, thanks. One of my guild has a lot of crafters, so could I just have them make me a level 1 version of each piece for the style?
Or would I have to hunt for pages exclusively?
To use the motifs in the Outfit system, you need to actually read/learn them. Just getting your hands on a piece of armor in that style won't do it. If someone crafts you a Lv1 set in that style, you'd be stuck wearing that Lv1 armor.
But you don't need to learn the entire set of Motifs for each style - you can just pick the pieces you need/like (Chest, Legs, Shoulder, Head, Hands, Feet, whichever) and learn those ones.
edit: and you can go into the Outfit crafting bench and look at Styles you don't own, to see which ones you want/like.Edited by Kiralyn2000 on February 3, 2021 12:46AM0 -
Pencisl2✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/
In those two cases, it looks like that's just the level requirement for those specific crafting materials (Rawhide is tier 1, Rubedo Leather is tier 10)
edit: Sapiarch motif drops from Alinor (Summerset) dailies; Silver Dawn drops from Moonhunter Keep.
Could look at guild traders, of course.
edit2: on TTC, Sapiarch looks pretty cheap. Silver Dawn, not so much.
edit3: "TTC" is Tamriel Trade Center, a website & addon that helps you find stuff on the multitude of guild traders
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/
Not only is this system the most awkward I have seen, I would hate to see what expensive is if multiple thousands is "pretty cheap."1 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/
In those two cases, it looks like that's just the level requirement for those specific crafting materials (Rawhide is tier 1, Rubedo Leather is tier 10)
edit: Sapiarch motif drops from Alinor (Summerset) dailies; Silver Dawn drops from Moonhunter Keep.
Could look at guild traders, of course.
edit2: on TTC, Sapiarch looks pretty cheap. Silver Dawn, not so much.
edit3: "TTC" is Tamriel Trade Center, a website & addon that helps you find stuff on the multitude of guild traders
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/
Not only is this system the most awkward I have seen, I would hate to see what expensive is if multiple thousands is "pretty cheap."
When I bought the Fang Lair chest motif, I think it cost ~250k. I had waited a bit for the price to start coming down.
(honestly, 8k is pretty low for any established player. Completing an average quest on a max level character gives ~600g. Just doing a set of Crafting Writ daily quests on one of my characters will get me ~4k, and I've got eight characters. That's 30k a day, just doing the Crafting dailies. There's a weekly special Furniture vendor, things on that vendor frequently get into the 20-50k range, with stuff up to 100k. Etc.)1 -
Pencisl2✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Kiralyn2000 wrote: »The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/
In those two cases, it looks like that's just the level requirement for those specific crafting materials (Rawhide is tier 1, Rubedo Leather is tier 10)
edit: Sapiarch motif drops from Alinor (Summerset) dailies; Silver Dawn drops from Moonhunter Keep.
Could look at guild traders, of course.
edit2: on TTC, Sapiarch looks pretty cheap. Silver Dawn, not so much.
edit3: "TTC" is Tamriel Trade Center, a website & addon that helps you find stuff on the multitude of guild traders
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/
Not only is this system the most awkward I have seen, I would hate to see what expensive is if multiple thousands is "pretty cheap."
When I bought the Fang Lair chest motif, I think it cost ~250k. I had waited a bit for the price to start coming down.
(honestly, 8k is pretty low for any established player. Completing an average quest on a max level character gives ~600g. Just doing a set of Crafting Writ daily quests on one of my characters will get me ~4k, and I've got eight characters. That's 30k a day, just doing the Crafting dailies. There's a weekly special Furniture vendor, things on that vendor frequently get into the 20-50k range, with stuff up to 100k. Etc.)
Not good enough, this is unacceptable. Either the game is a grind but everything else is streamlined, or the game is polished but the commerce is a mess; you cannot have a game with all "take" and no "give." The world is dead and underpopulated, leveling is so slow, just about every mechanic is not only poorly implemented but nearly impenetrable to make sense; I have to not only search the world for items from very specific vendors, but I have to use an outside site that is rarely updated and does not account for sold items.
I have never, not once seen a game THIS dead-set on trying to do EVERYTHING wrong. I have never seen a game so eager to copy the things that caused final fantasy 14 1.0 to get shut down.0 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well.... not every game is appropriate for every player. I love this game, and I don't love WoW or RIFT any more. So I'm happy here.
You may not find this game a good fit. That's fine. Each to her own.3 -
Pencisl2✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Well.... not every game is appropriate for every player. I love this game, and I don't love WoW or RIFT any more. So I'm happy here.
You may not find this game a good fit. That's fine. Each to her own.
The problem is there is almost game here worth playing, just perpetually stuck in a paid early alpha. Just about all the complaints for when the game was a sub-only are still valid, it just has a veneer of "it's free-ish now so you get what you pay for." People called it a "trap" for a reason.
the community is absurdly hostile like in a free to play game, but the game feels near unplayable due to bag restraints if you aren't plus.
Again, this is remarkably similar to the problems in ff14 1.0, even down to the "spammy" combat and player-based shops instead of a server-wide market.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »edit2: on TTC, Sapiarch looks pretty cheap. Silver Dawn, not so much.
MHK is a notorious pug killer. Even on normal, the first boss has a tankbuster that will hit for north of 40k. And the rest of the dungeon doesn't go any easier on you. Your entire party really needs to know how to play before you go in there.
Clearing on normal has a ~25% chance of dropping a page. Clearing on vet should be 50%, and vHM should be a guaranteed drop. But, I'm not 100% sure on those numbers.
Given context, it shouldn't be too surprising that this motif commands a premium, as there aren't that many players who can even farm it.Edited by starkerealm on February 3, 2021 1:37AM0 -
nukk3r✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/
In those two cases, it looks like that's just the level requirement for those specific crafting materials (Rawhide is tier 1, Rubedo Leather is tier 10)
edit: Sapiarch motif drops from Alinor (Summerset) dailies; Silver Dawn drops from Moonhunter Keep.
Could look at guild traders, of course.
edit2: on TTC, Sapiarch looks pretty cheap. Silver Dawn, not so much.
edit3: "TTC" is Tamriel Trade Center, a website & addon that helps you find stuff on the multitude of guild traders
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/
Not only is this system the most awkward I have seen, I would hate to see what expensive is if multiple thousands is "pretty cheap."
Knight of the Circle Cuirass page goes for 1.5mil on average at PC EU. So yeah, "multiple thousands" is cheap.1 -
Pencisl2✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/
In those two cases, it looks like that's just the level requirement for those specific crafting materials (Rawhide is tier 1, Rubedo Leather is tier 10)
edit: Sapiarch motif drops from Alinor (Summerset) dailies; Silver Dawn drops from Moonhunter Keep.
Could look at guild traders, of course.
edit2: on TTC, Sapiarch looks pretty cheap. Silver Dawn, not so much.
edit3: "TTC" is Tamriel Trade Center, a website & addon that helps you find stuff on the multitude of guild traders
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/
Not only is this system the most awkward I have seen, I would hate to see what expensive is if multiple thousands is "pretty cheap."
Knight of the Circle Cuirass page goes for 1.5mil on average at PC EU. So yeah, "multiple thousands" is cheap.
Is 1M for a house "cheap" just because an apartment in tokyo is 5M? At some point we have to compare these things to sense rather than just other items within the game.0 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's not really hard make gold in ESO.Edited by NotaDaedraWorshipper on February 3, 2021 7:46PM[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The problem is there is almost game here worth playing, just perpetually stuck in a paid early alpha.
Now, that's just hyperbole, and considering this was kicked off by a tantrum about how expensive the player driven economy is, I'm left to question your veracity.
The outfit system is fairly straightforward. If any character on your account can craft gear in that style, you can pay gold to "permanently," apply that style to that body part. This costs gold, and for an endgame player, these costs are usually fairly trivial. Advanced styles can be pretty pricey for newbies, but your income does scale up dramatically as level, and more experienced players will find far more ways to make money.the community is absurdly hostile like in a free to play game, but the game feels near unplayable due to bag restraints if you aren't plus.
You are the only one getting hostile here. The people who have answered your questions tried to help. You didn't like the answers, and now you're trying to lash out over it.
Crafting chews up a lot of bag space, and if that's something you really want to get into, yeah, ESO+ is borderline mandatory. This does get into making money via things like writs, though, it doesn't really effect making money through legerdemain.
So, yeah, ESO+ isn't mandatory, and it's not like a F2P game where you're really forced into it.
But, I mean, keep saying how a game that has grown to 18 million players is a failure and, what? How does that make sense? "Oooh, it's like FF14, a game that was so bad, and had a population so low, that the publisher was worried about damaging the single player brand is exactly the same as the most successful game for its publisher."
Right.3 -
nukk3r✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/
In those two cases, it looks like that's just the level requirement for those specific crafting materials (Rawhide is tier 1, Rubedo Leather is tier 10)
edit: Sapiarch motif drops from Alinor (Summerset) dailies; Silver Dawn drops from Moonhunter Keep.
Could look at guild traders, of course.
edit2: on TTC, Sapiarch looks pretty cheap. Silver Dawn, not so much.
edit3: "TTC" is Tamriel Trade Center, a website & addon that helps you find stuff on the multitude of guild traders
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/
Not only is this system the most awkward I have seen, I would hate to see what expensive is if multiple thousands is "pretty cheap."
Knight of the Circle Cuirass page goes for 1.5mil on average at PC EU. So yeah, "multiple thousands" is cheap.
Is 1M for a house "cheap" just because an apartment in tokyo is 5M? At some point we have to compare these things to sense rather than just other items within the game.
1 mil in ESO isn't really much. With the current prices, you can make 100k/hr just by harvesting and selling raw materials.
So this page for example equals either 15 hours of farming mats or 20 days of doing a daily Conquest mission in Cyrodiil for tokens and praying for good luck to get the page you need out of 6 possible.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/
In those two cases, it looks like that's just the level requirement for those specific crafting materials (Rawhide is tier 1, Rubedo Leather is tier 10)
edit: Sapiarch motif drops from Alinor (Summerset) dailies; Silver Dawn drops from Moonhunter Keep.
Could look at guild traders, of course.
edit2: on TTC, Sapiarch looks pretty cheap. Silver Dawn, not so much.
edit3: "TTC" is Tamriel Trade Center, a website & addon that helps you find stuff on the multitude of guild traders
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/
Not only is this system the most awkward I have seen, I would hate to see what expensive is if multiple thousands is "pretty cheap."
Knight of the Circle Cuirass page goes for 1.5mil on average at PC EU. So yeah, "multiple thousands" is cheap.
Is 1M for a house "cheap" just because an apartment in tokyo is 5M? At some point we have to compare these things to sense rather than just other items within the game.
No, 4 million will buy the largest houses in ESO, 1m will buy the houses a tier below that. So... in that sense, yeah, Knight of the Circle is ridiculously expensive. It's expensive because it takes months of PvP to earn. (That's not an exaggeration by the way.) Not particularly strenuous PvP, but it will require you to log in and do a repeatable every day for quite some time.
So, in that context, yeah, it's kinda pricey.
Put this in context, as a player who is moderately wealthy in game, Sapiarch isn't worth enough for me to really worry about listing it for sale. I probably should, but when I'm choosing between something like Minotaur or Buoyant Armiger, and Sapiarch... one of those is worth far less, and almost isn't worth the guild store slot. Especially as motif pages are not particularly liquid. So, really, I'm choosing between listing a Dreugh Wax or a Sapiarch page, knowing that the wax will sell, but the page requires someone to be looking for it.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/
In those two cases, it looks like that's just the level requirement for those specific crafting materials (Rawhide is tier 1, Rubedo Leather is tier 10)
edit: Sapiarch motif drops from Alinor (Summerset) dailies; Silver Dawn drops from Moonhunter Keep.
Could look at guild traders, of course.
edit2: on TTC, Sapiarch looks pretty cheap. Silver Dawn, not so much.
edit3: "TTC" is Tamriel Trade Center, a website & addon that helps you find stuff on the multitude of guild traders
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/
Not only is this system the most awkward I have seen, I would hate to see what expensive is if multiple thousands is "pretty cheap."
Knight of the Circle Cuirass page goes for 1.5mil on average at PC EU. So yeah, "multiple thousands" is cheap.
Is 1M for a house "cheap" just because an apartment in tokyo is 5M? At some point we have to compare these things to sense rather than just other items within the game.
1 mil in ESO isn't really much. With the current prices, you can make 100k/hr just by harvesting and selling raw materials.
So this page for example equals either 15 hours of farming mats or 20 days of doing a daily Conquest mission in Cyrodiil for tokens and praying for good luck to get the page you need out of 6 possible.
Weapon pages are 40.... I think. So, it's slightly worse than that. Though, I think there's only 5 weapons to deal with.0 -
Pencisl2✭I REALLY have no interest in fielding bargain-bin dishonest insults and question begging from people who can't stand criticism. I am not interested in having this thread turn where your egos want it to. I would rather quit this game I barely play than deal with this.starkerealm wrote: »The problem is there is almost game here worth playing, just perpetually stuck in a paid early alpha.
Now, that's just hyperbole, and considering this was kicked off by a tantrum about how expensive the player driven economy is, I'm left to question your veracity.
The outfit system is fairly straightforward. If any character on your account can craft gear in that style, you can pay gold to "permanently," apply that style to that body part. This costs gold, and for an endgame player, these costs are usually fairly trivial. Advanced styles can be pretty pricey for newbies, but your income does scale up dramatically as level, and more experienced players will find far more ways to make money.the community is absurdly hostile like in a free to play game, but the game feels near unplayable due to bag restraints if you aren't plus.
You are the only one getting hostile here. The people who have answered your questions tried to help. You didn't like the answers, and now you're trying to lash out over it.
Crafting chews up a lot of bag space, and if that's something you really want to get into, yeah, ESO+ is borderline mandatory. This does get into making money via things like writs, though, it doesn't really effect making money through legerdemain.
So, yeah, ESO+ isn't mandatory, and it's not like a F2P game where you're really forced into it.
But, I mean, keep saying how a game that has grown to 18 million players is a failure and, what? How does that make sense? "Oooh, it's like FF14, a game that was so bad, and had a population so low, that the publisher was worried about damaging the single player brand is exactly the same as the most successful game for its publisher."
Right.
Yesterday i asked in guild chat on one of my guilds for 400 gold because my bags were constantly full and you don't start making that money to throw away until dozens of hours into the main story. I got made fun of.
I asked in guild chat to help me level and people claimed I was "spamming" for "free runs."
I have never seen a playerbase so greedy, stingy, and ill tempered. Even gw2, which has one of the most virument communities I have ever seen isn't this bad. So, no "tantrum," just cold-hard facts.
Now on to point out the double-think: is crafting dailies the only way to make money (that is so easy, apparently), or is crafting a completely irrelevant side-issue and I can just leave the dozens of mats all on the floor? It can't be both.
I am completely serious. Just about everything in the game gets in your way and is maximally tedious, this auction system is just the worst example of it. In fact, the asian mmo's that this system is ripped straight off from even do it better. ff14 1.0 for example had the same system, but also the sense to keep all the player stores in one giant swap-meet-like area instead of 1-5 per town/city.
There is no "tantrum," nor are prices the crux of my argument. you resorting to fisking shows that you have no ability to even adress me, but you do have a desire to misrepresent me.
I have yet to be detailed with what rubs me the wrong way in the game, and you are treating some half-handed comments *to people who are not you* as the summation of all my thoughts. This thread is not about how much this game fails at just about everything that it does, and I don't want to make it that way just because you are invested in the game. I have no reason to lie and you do, but I have yet to even get into that; if I wanted to, these posts would be nearly 10 times as long for just one bullet point.
I can barely see a dozen online at any point in any zone, even skyreach is a ghost-town; I find more people in swtor any given day. zone chat is nowhere near as populated as it was 2-3 years ago when I last played. I use ff14 1.0 as an example because all of the problems in this game from awkward, forced story, to non-linear pointless grinding, spammy lag combat, to player shops being compartmentalized were all done there; that game should have been a warning, not a roadmap.
Let's not pretend that design decisions don't have consequences.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/
In those two cases, it looks like that's just the level requirement for those specific crafting materials (Rawhide is tier 1, Rubedo Leather is tier 10)
edit: Sapiarch motif drops from Alinor (Summerset) dailies; Silver Dawn drops from Moonhunter Keep.
Could look at guild traders, of course.
edit2: on TTC, Sapiarch looks pretty cheap. Silver Dawn, not so much.
edit3: "TTC" is Tamriel Trade Center, a website & addon that helps you find stuff on the multitude of guild traders
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/
Not only is this system the most awkward I have seen, I would hate to see what expensive is if multiple thousands is "pretty cheap."
Knight of the Circle Cuirass page goes for 1.5mil on average at PC EU. So yeah, "multiple thousands" is cheap.
Is 1M for a house "cheap" just because an apartment in tokyo is 5M? At some point we have to compare these things to sense rather than just other items within the game.
1 mil in ESO isn't really much. With the current prices, you can make 100k/hr just by harvesting and selling raw materials.
So this page for example equals either 15 hours of farming mats or 20 days of doing a daily Conquest mission in Cyrodiil for tokens and praying for good luck to get the page you need out of 6 possible.
That is immensely dishonest as "selling raw materials" requires a guild trader, and so few guilds seem to have them. The ones that do require a weekly fee AND/OR sales minimum. Then you have to wonder if anyone will check the guild trader in some far-flung corner of the map.
So to have your hypothetical work, you have to meet prerequisites that 90% of the playerbase doesn't meet. Exceptions make bad law for a reason.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sounds like you found a jack*** guild.
Personally, I don't play with guilds, and don't participate in the player economy (I only sell stuff to NPC vendors), so I'm a "poor" player. Which still means that I could clear close to a million gold a month if I bothered to do the 8 crafting dailies every day on all my alts. Anything from actually going out & questing/fighting/looting/thievery/dungeons/etc is in addition to that.
edit: which reminds me - that Sapiarch motif set drops from plain old regular dailies in the Summerset zone. So you can try to farm them yourself, instead of buying them from someone for gold.
Do I like the guild trader system? Heck, no. But that's an entirely different dead horse thread that gets argued every couple months by some vocal people on either side. The proponents of the system absolutely love it, and like that it's not the same server-wide auction house system that nearly every MMO uses. /shrug
So I basically ignore it, except for rare occasions of buying a crafting motif. Game's still eminently playable.
Edited by Kiralyn2000 on February 3, 2021 2:41AM1 -
Pencisl2✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Sounds like you found a jack*** guild.
Personally, I don't play with guilds, and don't participate in the player economy (I only sell stuff to NPC vendors), so I'm a "poor" player. Which still means that I could clear close to a million gold a month if I bothered to do the 8 crafting dailies every day on all my alts. Anything from actually going out & questing/fighting/looting/thievery/dungeons/etc is in addition to that.
Do I like the guild trader system? Heck, no. But that's an entirely different dead horse thread that gets argued every couple months by some vocal people on either side. The proponents of the system absolutely love it, and like that it's not the same server-wide auction house system that nearly every MMO uses. /shrug
So I basically ignore it, except for rare occasions of buying a crafting motif. Game's still eminently playable.
But if I want a specific item, it is so much harder than it needs to be. I found a nice daggerfall chest motif for a decent price, but just about no one sells the sapiarch helmets.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If you stick around long enough to get to the Anniversary event (early April usually), you will get a LOT of motif pages just for participating in the event. Along with eat the cake and get event tickets (at least that's how it's worked in past years). Some of the rare motifs I have on my accounts are because they showed up in the event reward boxes. I don't buy motifs, even though I can afford to after 2.5 years in game. I just wait for an event where I get them free....
And yes, the trader system isn't planned to be easy for players. Blame that on the devs, who wanted this game to be "different".1 -
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✭✭Since just about everything in the game appears to frustrate you I'd that ESO isn't for you. If you can't relax and enjoy what this game offers in the way ESO offers it then there is no point in playing this game. There are many other games out there and I'm sure one will meet your expectations.1 -
Pencisl2✭Sylvermynx wrote: »If you stick around long enough to get to the Anniversary event (early April usually), you will get a LOT of motif pages just for participating in the event. Along with eat the cake and get event tickets (at least that's how it's worked in past years). Some of the rare motifs I have on my accounts are because they showed up in the event reward boxes. I don't buy motifs, even though I can afford to after 2.5 years in game. I just wait for an event where I get them free....
And yes, the trader system isn't planned to be easy for players. Blame that on the devs, who wanted this game to be "different".
Well I'll check it out!
From what I heard from players just now in game, it was done to stop price-fixing like happens on other mmos where some items are kept high just as money makers no matter how many there are in circulation. The problem is that it causes local price fixing.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I played WoW and RIFT from 2006 - 2013. Games with global AH systems. In all those years, NO ONE ever managed to price-fix anything for more than a day. Seriously. There were too many players who had too much in the way of mats, gear, etc. - but yes, there can be local manipulation anywhere, even in this game.
I'd suggest you do some serious reading of this forum (back maybe half a dozen pages, to start - just to get beyond the abysmal dreck of "hate on Midyear Mayhem pvp" threads. Also, look at guild finder in game and the guild recruitment forum here. A good guild (you can belong to 5 at once in this game) can help you out immeasurably - but of course if you're not really into guilds that might not be an option.
In general, I think this game has something for nearly everyone - but it's a complex system, so it's not immediately transparent if you've never "met" an MMORPG like this one before.
WoW and RIFT it decidedly is NOT.
[Edited to add - my statement in the first paragraph was for the two main servers I played on. I didn't mess with the AH on the other seven - I just transferred max level toons with cash when I needed it for something, and then transferred them back - yup, some RL money involved but it wasn't a problem for me.]Edited by Sylvermynx on February 3, 2021 3:59AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I REALLY have no interest in fielding bargain-bin dishonest insults and question begging from people who can't stand criticism. I am not interested in having this thread turn where your egos want it to. I would rather quit this game I barely play than deal with this.starkerealm wrote: »The problem is there is almost game here worth playing, just perpetually stuck in a paid early alpha.
Now, that's just hyperbole, and considering this was kicked off by a tantrum about how expensive the player driven economy is, I'm left to question your veracity.
The outfit system is fairly straightforward. If any character on your account can craft gear in that style, you can pay gold to "permanently," apply that style to that body part. This costs gold, and for an endgame player, these costs are usually fairly trivial. Advanced styles can be pretty pricey for newbies, but your income does scale up dramatically as level, and more experienced players will find far more ways to make money.the community is absurdly hostile like in a free to play game, but the game feels near unplayable due to bag restraints if you aren't plus.
You are the only one getting hostile here. The people who have answered your questions tried to help. You didn't like the answers, and now you're trying to lash out ovwer it.
Crafting chews up a lot of bag space, and if that's something you really want to get into, yeah, ESO+ is borderline mandatory. This does get into making money via things like writs, though, it doesn't really effect making money through legerdemain.
So, yeah, ESO+ isn't mandatory, and it's not like a F2P game where you're really forced into it.
But, I mean, keep saying how a game that has grown to 18 million players is a failure and, what? How does that make sense? "Oooh, it's like FF14, a game that was so bad, and had a population so low, that the publisher was worried about damaging the single player brand is exactly the same as the most successful game for its publisher."
Right.
Yesterday i asked in guild chat on one of my guilds for 400 gold because my bags were constantly full and you don't start making that money to throw away until dozens of hours into the main story. I got made fun of.
I asked in guild chat to help me level and people claimed I was "spamming" for "free runs."
I have never seen a playerbase so greedy, stingy, and ill tempered. Even gw2, which has one of the most virument communities I have ever seen isn't this bad. So, no "tantrum," just cold-hard facts.
No, that's on your guild. If they're mocking you as you're getting started, maybe head out and find a better one.
Second, you get your first bag upgrade for free around level 12 or so, meaning, you are extremely low level, and your gold income is going to be very limited.
So, what do you do? Sell the garbage in your inventory. Don't keep that stuff, it's not worth it. Especially this early on. When you're looking at the endgame economy, you're getting a fraction of what we're seeing.
Swap out your gear as you find better, and don't worry about hoarding stuff. Nothing you get this early on will be that valuable.
Don't worry about power leveling. Seriously, DO NOT DO THIS. ESO's leveling structure is not analagous to MMOs you're familiar with, and if you power level you will make things worse for yourself, because you won't be learning how to play as you progress.
ESO is more analogous to Dark Souls in that respect. You need to learn how to play as you progress. If you know what you're doing, you can clear basically any (non-PvP) content at level 3.Now on to point out the double-think: is crafting dailies the only way to make money (that is so easy, apparently), or is crafting a completely irrelevant side-issue and I can just leave the dozens of mats all on the floor? It can't be both.
Writs are one of the most efficient methods of making money. However, they are not "the only way."
However, meaningfully engaging with the game's economy does assume you're doing so at level 50. Not at level 10. Low level characters, even in the hands of experienced players, do not earn much money.
So far as it goes, when you're up to the point that you can do vet trials, each trial boss in vet content drops items that vendor for thousands of gold. I'm not kidding. You can walk out of a trial with a stack of items that vendor for 1k each. This isn't a function of being a paid player, as you can do that in the Craglorn trials if you have an experienced group to run with.I am completely serious. Just about everything in the game gets in your way and is maximally tedious, this auction system is just the worst example of it.
The guild store system has a very specific purpose, and it works. For the most part, it does keep a lid on inflation. You can complain about it, you can single it out, but, it makes it nearly impossible for individuals to manipulate the market in a serious or permanent way.In fact, the asian mmo's that this system is ripped straight off from even do it better. ff14 1.0 for example had the same system, but also the sense to keep all the player stores in one giant swap-meet-like area instead of 1-5 per town/city. There is no "tantrum," nor are prices the crux of my argument. you resorting to fisking shows that you have no ability to even adress me, but you do have a desire to misrepresent me.
I have yet to be detailed with what rubs me the wrong way in the game, and you are treating some half-handed comments *to people who are not you* as the summation of all my thoughts. This thread is not about how much this game fails at just about everything that it does, and I don't want to make it that way just because you are invested in the game. I have no reason to lie and you do, but I have yet to even get into that; if I wanted to, these posts would be nearly 10 times as long for just one bullet point.
I can barely see a dozen online at any point in any zone, even skyreach is a ghost-town; I find more people in swtor any given day. zone chat is nowhere near as populated as it was 2-3 years ago when I last played. I use ff14 1.0 as an example because all of the problems in this game from awkward, forced story, to non-linear pointless grinding, spammy lag combat, to player shops being compartmentalized were all done there; that game should have been a warning, not a roadmap.
Hold on a second... let's process this through.
You played two or three years ago. Now, I have no idea which zones you're actually looking at. On PCNA, those zones are quite active. It's true that some zones are quieter than others. Like, if you're in Malabal Tor (for example), you're not going to see a lot of players, they don't congregate anywhere, and you're not going to see much in zone chat. But, at the same time... Craglorn is not one of those desolate zones. It's still quite active with people asking for trial pugs, or just LFGing. It's not, usually, conversation... that tends to cluster in places like Auridon, Stonefalls, Deshaan, Glenumbra, Stormhaven, Grahtwood, and the chapter zones (Vvardenfell, Northern Elsweyr, Summerset, ect.) But, commenting on Skyreach and calling Craglorn a dead zone? That doesn't make sense.
Now, maybe if you're on XBox, that makes sense, because, that platform has seen a lot of players jump ship to PC in the last year.
Also, commenting on Skyreach while also talking about not having 400g to buy the first bag upgrade... you can't get a Skyreach carry for less than a couple grand. I don't usually get into the carry business at all, but I'd be surprised if you could get that below 5k per level, unless you had a friend carrying you.
Something doesn't make sense here.Let's not pretend that design decisions don't have consequences.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »The sapiarch medium set with the mask says "level 1" to aquire. So how to get it?
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rawhide/
This one says cp150 too though
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/sapiarch-rubedo-leather/
In those two cases, it looks like that's just the level requirement for those specific crafting materials (Rawhide is tier 1, Rubedo Leather is tier 10)
edit: Sapiarch motif drops from Alinor (Summerset) dailies; Silver Dawn drops from Moonhunter Keep.
Could look at guild traders, of course.
edit2: on TTC, Sapiarch looks pretty cheap. Silver Dawn, not so much.
edit3: "TTC" is Tamriel Trade Center, a website & addon that helps you find stuff on the multitude of guild traders
https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/
Not only is this system the most awkward I have seen, I would hate to see what expensive is if multiple thousands is "pretty cheap."
Knight of the Circle Cuirass page goes for 1.5mil on average at PC EU. So yeah, "multiple thousands" is cheap.
Is 1M for a house "cheap" just because an apartment in tokyo is 5M? At some point we have to compare these things to sense rather than just other items within the game.
1 mil in ESO isn't really much. With the current prices, you can make 100k/hr just by harvesting and selling raw materials.
So this page for example equals either 15 hours of farming mats or 20 days of doing a daily Conquest mission in Cyrodiil for tokens and praying for good luck to get the page you need out of 6 possible.
That is immensely dishonest as "selling raw materials" requires a guild trader, and so few guilds seem to have them. The ones that do require a weekly fee AND/OR sales minimum. Then you have to wonder if anyone will check the guild trader in some far-flung corner of the map.
So to have your hypothetical work, you have to meet prerequisites that 90% of the playerbase doesn't meet. Exceptions make bad law for a reason.
You can find trading guilds that have kiosks, but simultaneously do not have quotas, or have very manageable ones. I mean, my guild's only requirement is that you log in at least once every 14 days. It's kept afloat by some of the wealthier members in the guild moving high volume.
You're not going to get a Rawl'kha guild without requirements, but those guilds do exist, and crafting mats are an incredibly liquid way of meeting quotas or raising enough cash to pay any dues.0