I've been playing off and on for 6 years. At 443 CP. How do I process this?

DarkWombat

My confusion starts with the CP system. I thought the cap was 810. But I am seeing people posting on this form saying they have 1500, 1200 etc.
Secondly, 3600 seems like a massive jump for the new DLC. One quest (and the DLC quests started a new trend of REALLY stretching out the exp) give me barely 20% of one bar of CP.

Sometimes I play the game for a couple of hours and I gain like barely 2 CP.

How is anyone supposed to hit the new cap without giving up their job and social life?

WiseSky

Time use it Wisely
Money use it Efficiently
If you feel you are missing something out not having the correct CP to enjoy the game use one of the above differently.

ArchMikem

810 is the amount of champion points you can allocate into champion passives. You can however continue to earn more past that number, you just can't use them. Because of that I have about 500 champion points just sitting there, not doing anything, since I have over 1,300 but can only use 810.

Can others give further context to this change to CP the OP is mentioning? There's no way ZOS would make an increase in the amount we can allocate THAT drastic.

lillybit

The cap is currently 810 but you could always earn over that, just not spend it.

From the sound of it, you'll only be able to choose 12 lines as active at a time so will greatly reduce the need for high CP - the only advantage will really be to have the flexibility of other full lines so you can change the active ones on the fly without having to pay the 3k to reallocate them each time

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Umm guys,

They said the CP system was revamped and will be on the PTS (on PC) tomorrow.

The New system allows you to use all your CP, it will be available on the 1st DLC of GATES OF OBLIVION.

Check the PTS Patch Notes tomorrow

nukk3r

I don't mean to sound rude but if after 6 years you're at CP 443, you shouldn't worry about CP cap at all. Your overall progress in the game is slower than the pace that the game is developing.

Evergnar

I wouldn't worry about it till we see it on PTS. The CP is getting revamped to make it better not increase verticle progression. From what I could it tell you'll be able to allocate all you CP but not all of it will be active. You'll have to pick and choose based on your build.

MashmalloMan

I'll break down what I've gathered so far. They didn't get too much into detail, but you can figure it out based on what they've shown.

There is 3 forms of CP stars:

1. Yellow: Active all the time (5 stages, 10 points per stage, max 50, each stage gives 260 stamina)
2. Matches the colour of the tree, so Blue, Green or Red: Active when slotted (Can cost 50-100 points max, can only slot 12 total, 4 from each of the 3 trees)
3. Pink: Sub system (Pressing it shows more of stars for point 1 and 2, because it's a seperate constelation, they are capable of adding more stars as the game grows).

From the below image, you will see Yellow Stars (1), Blue Stars (2) and Pink Stars (3). From what I can count, there is this many of each for the Warfare tree (combat tree).

• 6 Yellow
• 20 Blue
• 2 Pink

In 1 of the subsystems shown on stream (shown below), we find:

• 4 Yellow
• 1 Blue

There are some stars that appear to cost up to 100 for the swappable, but lets say for a moment that every star costs 50 to max out. In theory, you would want to get all of the yellow stars you can and slot at least 4 blue stars. Lets assume the second subsystem has the same setup for 4 yellow and 1 blue.

That means you would want 14 yellow (700 points) and 4 blue (200 points). I don't think the other trees have subsystems yet, but I'm also not going to bother counting every node as this is just a quick assumption of what we would need to max out at least once.

So that means, 900x 3 for 2700cp required to get all yellow stars and fill in all of the 12 slots for swappable bonuses. Obviously you don't NEED 2700cp because I guarantee just like the current cp system, you won't find every yellow star useful.. For instance, you're not going to need the +max magicka star clone of stamina, if you're a stamina dps. This means you can cut a lot of that out and assume, if maximizing for your role, you'd only need about 1400-1700 points.

Don't forget, they're adjusting the experience curve greatly. So I imagine the current 810 cp is the same as 3200, meaning 810 after launch would be like leveling at 200 cp before the update (25% of the way to max).

SO when he said something along the lines of you will reach a certain point of vertical progression where you're able to get what you want, then the rest is just customization, I assume this is around half of the way to max level. In the future, when they increase cap, maybe they will do it every update again.. all it's going to do is allow you to have more points to throw around, but you're not really going to get stronger. You could just respec for 3k if you really needed the points.

DarkWombat

nukk3r wrote: »

I don't mean to sound rude but if after 6 years you're at CP 443, you shouldn't worry about CP cap at all. Your overall progress in the game is slower than the pace that the game is developing.

While I knew that was coming and it sounded good to fish for "agrees", chasing after a bar that is always moving is okay. Chasing after a bar that jumps massively is not. We will see how it plays on the PTR tomorrow.

Iccotak

Perhaps they’re changing the rate of how many CP you gain

Destyran

Well what ever you been doing for 6 years isn’t much and you probably won’t need cp. you haven’t yet needed cp so I doubt it will affect you at all. So keep on trading or farming or what ever

Ratzkifal

@ArchMikem Looks like you missed a lot. They didn't just give us a roadmap for the CP rework in the stream today, they actually showed the whole thing! New limit is 3600. It's expandible so that instead of increasing the cap every update, they can add new things we can spend them on without affecting balance too much because you have an opportunity cost attached to them.

Basically you can now only have 12 CP effects slotted (4 for each), but you can still increase your stats outside of that.

MashmalloMan

Iccotak wrote: »

Perhaps they’re changing the rate of how many CP you gain

No it's still 1 at a time, but you're going to level like crazy. They said (and have shown in previous CP Cap increases) that the experience curve will be adjusted to match the new system.

This is pretty good for newbies because when they hit level 50, they're going to boost past 160 extremely fast, allowing them to use max level gear instead of being stuck grinding for a few hours to reach that point.

If 810 is equal to 3200, then 810 will be about 25% of the way to max, meaning it will probably be just as easy to level as a 200cp player in the current itteration of the game.

You also no longer need the max amount of cp to max out your characters potential like the current system, from what I gather in my above comment, you would only need about half the cp with the new system to get every relevant "always active" star + fill out the 12 slots of customizable stars.

Ratzkifal

DarkWombat wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

I don't mean to sound rude but if after 6 years you're at CP 443, you shouldn't worry about CP cap at all. Your overall progress in the game is slower than the pace that the game is developing.

While I knew that was coming and it sounded good to fish for "agrees", chasing after a bar that is always moving is okay. Chasing after a bar that jumps massively is not. We will see how it plays on the PTR tomorrow.

@DarkWombat From how I understood it, content will still be the same as it is now. So it's more of a matter of how you invest your CP than how many you have. More will make you stronger, but you will be able to complete content just the same.

At least that's what they promised.

nukk3r

DarkWombat wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

I don't mean to sound rude but if after 6 years you're at CP 443, you shouldn't worry about CP cap at all. Your overall progress in the game is slower than the pace that the game is developing.

While I knew that was coming and it sounded good to fish for "agrees", chasing after a bar that is always moving is okay. Chasing after a bar that jumps massively is not. We will see how it plays on the PTR tomorrow.

The bar didn't jump massively, last time it was raised was in 2018. CPs were introduced in 2015 and the system will be 6 years old when the CP rework will hit the live server.

I don't know your circumstances and play style but I'll assume that you just do the overland stuff and don't participate in group content. That may be the reason, you don't gain much XP. Daily random dungeon with enlightenment and XP buff of any kind gives you up to 300k XP. Also you need more XP for each consecutive level, check out this table.

Varana

Also, don't get hung up on the 3600. That's somewhat of a new cap, intentionally set so high that only a handful of players may have reached it, yet. For basically everyone, the system is simply open-ended.

With the slottable CP restricted to 4 per constellation, you will get decent results with much lower CP. You don't need to spend 3600 CP - you wouldn't be able to slot them all anyway. After a certain point, the main benefit you get from way higher CP will be that you can re-slot abilities without re-distributing CP, and a few more passive abilities.

So it shouldn't change all that much, in theory - with 400 CP, you won't get the full potential out of the system, but you do get a some crucial bonuses nonetheless, just like it is now.
(Let's find out later today whether it'll work out that way.)

Darkstorne

DarkWombat wrote: »

How is anyone supposed to hit the new cap without giving up their job and social life?

You don't need to hit the cap. You don't even need to hit the current cap of 810 to be a good player today. It's just a form of near constant progression for end game players to feel like they're earning something with their time investment. 160CP is the minimum everyone should aim for. Past 400CP player skill matters significantly more than the few % points difference additional CP will bring to your stats.

And with the new system having you choosing which CP passives to slot and which to go without, it seems like players with 3000CP won't have many (if any) advantages over 1000CP players, other than being able to swap the roles of their characters more easily by changing which CP nodes they have slotted.

ErMurazor

Darkstorne wrote: »

160CP is the minimum everyone should aim for. Past 400CP player skill matters significantly more than the few % points difference additional CP will bring to your stats.

If its just a 0.5% boost it does matter alot at end game.