Next PvP Test: Disabled procs in Cyrodiil

Kwoung

Hope everyone has their Malacath! <Its not a proc>

olsborg

Kikazaru wrote: »

Are you guys ready? :0

Edit: Supreme PvP Leader Brian Wheeler announces their next PvP Test on mid February that will have "procs" disabled. What his definition of "procs" means that will be included on the disabled list is yet to be seen!

Best news ever, I will play during this test for sure. Hope they end up being permanent.

olsborg

Elo106 wrote: »

this is going to be epic, maybe we can get a campaign thats like that forever?

I wish, id pay 50 dollars per month for that kind of pvp easy.

LjAnimalchin

It's depressing that they are still haven't fixed PvP. I've been away for like a year now, and I can tell you guys, it's like getting out of an abusive relationship. You feel like *** to begin with, but after a while you will realise you were a fool to ever be in that situation.
This game isn't a competitive PvP game, and it never will be. They don't even know what's wrong with performance. They just throw random stuff at the wall and hope something works, which is utterly hilarious. Imagine doing that at your job.

Cyrdemaceb17_ESO

nukk3r wrote: »

About time to bring player skill back to PvP.

You mean this animation-cancel-macroing-sh....erm....skill will harrass even more?

It means back to the start of ESO, where ball groups ruled everything. Oh, Bombers are dead btw, no more Vicious Death.

Stream said all monster sets disabled AND Arena weapons too, just in case you missed it.

red_emu

Just as long as the test doesn't last 6 weeks!

The first test I didn't mind as much at the start but then it dragged in forever.

On the other hand, it will be interesting to see if all those super powerful players that are the Scourge of Cyrodiil will be able to even comprehend how to play 😂

Tabatha

I don’t feel like seducer is a proc set. No requirement must be met for seducer to fulfill its intended purpose. There is no proc. And there are no calculations to be made other than to the wearer.

Dorkener

Aaaand everyone can dust off their Spinner (NMA)/Shackle/Chudan magsorc again like its 2017

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Juhasow wrote: »

It;'s not proc sets as players usually understand them. It's also sets like Seducer. Basically it looks like during the test only straight non conditional stat buffing sets will be possible to wear.

To be honest I would like to get that "testing period" also for BG's.

I don't think Seducer will be classed as a 'Proc' as its essentially a fixed stat not a 'chance' for a cost reduction like Magnus.
just rewatched, i was wrong, Seducer is disabled
Looking forward to the test for sure though.

IxskullzxI

The fact that sets like seducer are disabled lead me to believe this is more of a test to see how calculations like procs affect server performance than it is to test pvp balance. I'm not holding my breath for proc meta leaving anytime soon. We'll see though, hope I'm wrong.

ethenya

Awesome! Really looking forward to this test. Wish I hadn't deconstructed all my gold shacklebreaker though

nukk3r

Cyrdemaceb17_ESO wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

About time to bring player skill back to PvP.

You mean this animation-cancel-macroing-sh....erm....skill will harrass even more?

It means back to the start of ESO, where ball groups ruled everything. Oh, Bombers are dead btw, no more Vicious Death.

Stream said all monster sets disabled AND Arena weapons too, just in case you missed it.

I'm aware of that. Just flat stat sets will level the playing field. We'll see how good the harbinger or venomous users really are

Stahlor

Everybody will run around in heavy armour and nobody will be able to kill anybody anymore. Peace in Cyrodiil.

techyeshic

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

It;'s not proc sets as players usually understand them. It's also sets like Seducer. Basically it looks like during the test only straight non conditional stat buffing sets will be possible to wear.

To be honest I would like to get that "testing period" also for BG's.

I don't think Seducer will be classed as a 'Proc' as its essentially a fixed stat not a 'chance' for a cost reduction like Magnus.
just rewatched, i was wrong, Seducer is disabled
Looking forward to the test for sure though.

Lol I did as well and still look forward to it, but I have to wonder; what's the end game here? Eliminate all conditions sets? Not a lot of options for set variety if you are limited to full time stats.

Tommy_The_Gun

I would like to remind you one thing they said on the stream: all sets with an "effect" or "ability" won't work. Not just dmg dealing proc sets. They even brought up an example: Armor of the Seducer

(5 items) Reduces the cost of your Magicka Abilities by 10%.

So even though it is technically not a "proc" set - it still "checks" if magicka ability is being casted. So basically any set that "checks" something and asks server for data will not work. So basically I think only stat-buffing sets will work. Arena weapons will most likely won't work as those "check" if weapon skill was casted. Same for sets buffing weapon or class skills - those check if ability from certain skill line was casted.

Stahlor

techyeshic wrote: »

Lol I did as well and still look forward to it, but I have to wonder; what's the end game here? Eliminate all conditions sets? Not a lot of options for set variety if you are limited to full time stats.

Easy - mag in Julianos, stam in Hundings --> everybody is happy.

Bergzorn

Eh, no problem, I'll just switch Bloodspawn with two unmatched set pieces and Pariah with Seducer.

*reads again* Wait what?

jaws343

IxskullzxI wrote: »

The fact that sets like seducer are disabled lead me to believe this is more of a test to see how calculations like procs affect server performance than it is to test pvp balance. I'm not holding my breath for proc meta leaving anytime soon. We'll see though, hope I'm wrong.

They were pretty clear on the stream that this was a performance test, not a balance test.

UrbanMonk

Hell yeah...bring it on

olsborg

Id settle on an option to make proccs/item sets hit you for way less dmg if you yourself wore an item set to counter proccs.

katorga

Stahlor wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Lol I did as well and still look forward to it, but I have to wonder; what's the end game here? Eliminate all conditions sets? Not a lot of options for set variety if you are limited to full time stats.

Easy - mag in Julianos, stam in Hundings --> everybody is happy.

'Cept that it won't fix performance...so you are left with no sets, no procs, but keep unreliable skills, lag, positional desyncs, health desyncs.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

techyeshic wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

It;'s not proc sets as players usually understand them. It's also sets like Seducer. Basically it looks like during the test only straight non conditional stat buffing sets will be possible to wear.

To be honest I would like to get that "testing period" also for BG's.

I don't think Seducer will be classed as a 'Proc' as its essentially a fixed stat not a 'chance' for a cost reduction like Magnus.
just rewatched, i was wrong, Seducer is disabled
Looking forward to the test for sure though.

Lol I did as well and still look forward to it, but I have to wonder; what's the end game here? Eliminate all conditions sets? Not a lot of options for set variety if you are limited to full time stats.

Personally I can see a move to perhaps standardised characters in cyrodiil. Similar to GW2. You pick from a certain set of stats rather than gearing and then your character gets auto lvled and geared regardless of what you wear for bgs/dueling etc.

I don't really want that to be the case because I think the gearing and theorycraft side will suffer greatly but I feel like that might be the direction they are heading.

IxskullzxI

jaws343 wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

The fact that sets like seducer are disabled lead me to believe this is more of a test to see how calculations like procs affect server performance than it is to test pvp balance. I'm not holding my breath for proc meta leaving anytime soon. We'll see though, hope I'm wrong.

They were pretty clear on the stream that this was a performance test, not a balance test.

Ah gotcha. I missed parts of the stream from loud people in discord 😑

Volckodav

Like I'm so hyped for this!!! cant wait to play it and for sure perf will be better!

katorga

Kwoung wrote: »

Hope everyone has their Malacath! <Its not a proc>

Are you sure?

Malacath does not change tool tips like Slimecraw. I bet it calculates at time of damage, so counts as a conditional set.

techyeshic

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

It;'s not proc sets as players usually understand them. It's also sets like Seducer. Basically it looks like during the test only straight non conditional stat buffing sets will be possible to wear.

To be honest I would like to get that "testing period" also for BG's.

I don't think Seducer will be classed as a 'Proc' as its essentially a fixed stat not a 'chance' for a cost reduction like Magnus.
just rewatched, i was wrong, Seducer is disabled
Looking forward to the test for sure though.

Lol I did as well and still look forward to it, but I have to wonder; what's the end game here? Eliminate all conditions sets? Not a lot of options for set variety if you are limited to full time stats.

Personally I can see a move to perhaps standardised characters in cyrodiil. Similar to GW2. You pick from a certain set of stats rather than gearing and then your character gets auto lvled and geared regardless of what you wear for bgs/dueling etc.

I don't really want that to be the case because I think the gearing and theorycraft side will suffer greatly but I feel like that might be the direction they are heading.

At that point, why not just play the new For Honor or stuff like that? I guess it becomes a little like Planetside but with RPG abilities?

katorga

techyeshic wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

It;'s not proc sets as players usually understand them. It's also sets like Seducer. Basically it looks like during the test only straight non conditional stat buffing sets will be possible to wear.

To be honest I would like to get that "testing period" also for BG's.

I don't think Seducer will be classed as a 'Proc' as its essentially a fixed stat not a 'chance' for a cost reduction like Magnus.
just rewatched, i was wrong, Seducer is disabled
Looking forward to the test for sure though.

Lol I did as well and still look forward to it, but I have to wonder; what's the end game here? Eliminate all conditions sets? Not a lot of options for set variety if you are limited to full time stats.

Personally I can see a move to perhaps standardised characters in cyrodiil. Similar to GW2. You pick from a certain set of stats rather than gearing and then your character gets auto lvled and geared regardless of what you wear for bgs/dueling etc.

I don't really want that to be the case because I think the gearing and theorycraft side will suffer greatly but I feel like that might be the direction they are heading.

At that point, why not just play the new For Honor or stuff like that? I guess it becomes a little like Planetside but with RPG abilities?

I think performance is a red herring. When they upgrade the servers performance will be fixed.

My cynical side says that ZOS is sick and tired of the constant complaints from PVP, and is just going to disable everything, provide some limited sets to choose from, and tune us out, and focus on the more profitable segments of the game population while cutting the the bare minimum dev hours spent on pvp.

techyeshic

katorga wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

It;'s not proc sets as players usually understand them. It's also sets like Seducer. Basically it looks like during the test only straight non conditional stat buffing sets will be possible to wear.

To be honest I would like to get that "testing period" also for BG's.

I don't think Seducer will be classed as a 'Proc' as its essentially a fixed stat not a 'chance' for a cost reduction like Magnus.
just rewatched, i was wrong, Seducer is disabled
Looking forward to the test for sure though.

Lol I did as well and still look forward to it, but I have to wonder; what's the end game here? Eliminate all conditions sets? Not a lot of options for set variety if you are limited to full time stats.

Personally I can see a move to perhaps standardised characters in cyrodiil. Similar to GW2. You pick from a certain set of stats rather than gearing and then your character gets auto lvled and geared regardless of what you wear for bgs/dueling etc.

I don't really want that to be the case because I think the gearing and theorycraft side will suffer greatly but I feel like that might be the direction they are heading.

At that point, why not just play the new For Honor or stuff like that? I guess it becomes a little like Planetside but with RPG abilities?

I think performance is a red herring. When they upgrade the servers performance will be fixed.

My cynical side says that ZOS is sick and tired of the constant complaints from PVP, and is just going to disable everything, provide some limited sets to choose from, and tune us out, and focus on the more profitable segments of the game population while cutting the the bare minimum dev hours spent on pvp.

They did say that they do not anticipate the new servers improving performance. They are just doing a hardware refresh. Typical in IT. But it would be really stupid or really cheap to try to refresh with servers of the same specs as 5 years ago.

Matthros

I am curious is Bright Throat Boast will be affected during the test. It gives max stats and recovery but requires a drink buff.

MurderMostFoul

Matthros wrote: »

I am curious is Bright Throat Boast will be affected during the test. It gives max stats and recovery but requires a drink buff.

Sounds like a "check," so I assume it won't work.