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Should DPS queue as tank or healer?

Freefalling17
This is for normal dungeons. Would like to see what you guys think.

Should DPS queue as tank or healer? 121 votes

Yes
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No
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Does Not Matter
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Other
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  • Belegnole
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    Well, if you don't already know the real answer to that question there's no hope for you.
  • wheresbes
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    I was about to just answer "No" but since you specified this is only for normal dungeons, I'll agree with the others that, as long as you slot a taunt, that can be alright.

    Technically, I'm not specced as a tank (I have 60 points in mag) because I need to do solo stuff in a way that I find pleasant, but for dungeons I completely swap skills and gear, trying to perform all that's required by my role and with 40k hp.

    The root of the problem though seems to be that there aren't enough tanks, which account for long queues for DDs. A question arises then: why people don't like tanking?

    Me, I love it! Also, I always PUG (if I have time, up to 4 dungeons per evening) and I almost always have positive experiences <3
  • redspecter23
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    wheresbes wrote: »
    The root of the problem though seems to be that there aren't enough tanks, which account for long queues for DDs. A question arises then: why people don't like tanking?

    Me, I love it! Also, I always PUG (if I have time, up to 4 dungeons per evening) and I almost always have positive experiences <3

    I know why I often won't queue as a tank. It can be hard to count on the dps to hit high enough numbers to make it worth it. Yes, it's random normal and you're likely going to finish it even if the dps is low, but it will take more time. If I queue as a dps with the ability to tank, I can guarantee at least one person in there will be doing reasonable damage and we will finish quickly. If I queue as a full on tank with about 5k damage, I may still be the highest dps in there and it's just not worth that risk for me. I feel as though the biggest advantage to a "real" tank is the massive amount of buffs/debuffs you can bring to the group. If the dps is doing 5k, Warhorn is pointless. I might as well just drop a standard of might instead. It will deal more damage overall.
    Edited by redspecter23 on January 24, 2021 12:21AM
  • mobicera
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    Just avoid the random que and only preform
    Even in normal randoms its easier that way, you can just 4 dps.
    Typically take me 3 minutes to fill a random from guilds advertised as 4 dps speed normal.

    No one needs to whine that an add is hitting them in normal no one needs to run around like a headless chicken.
    Its amazing lol
  • wheresbes
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    I know why I often won't queue as a tank. It can be hard to count on the dps to hit high enough numbers to make it worth it. Yes, it's random normal and you're likely going to finish it even if the dps is low, but it will take more time. If I queue as a dps with the ability to tank, I can guarantee at least one person in there will be doing reasonable damage and we will finish quickly. If I queue as a full on tank with about 5k damage, I may still be the highest dps in there and it's just not worth that risk for me. I feel as though the biggest advantage to a "real" tank is the massive amount of buffs/debuffs you can bring to the group. If the dps is doing 5k, Warhorn is pointless. I might as well just drop a standard of might instead. It will deal more damage overall.

    I was thinking about this last night, I wanted to run Arx one time but couldn't bear to swap everything, so I solo'd it with my whopping 10k dps. Skipping all mobs, doing only the bosses, it took me a reasonable amount of time, so IMO, in 4 MUST be better, right?!

    But yeah, I sort of agree with you. I've had a few looong runs on normal DLC dungeons because of low dps and, on top of my mind, Darkshade 2 can be impossible to finish *but* that happened like a handful of times. Besides, if something goes wrong, with a waiting time of 1 to 20 seconds, I don't really mind to queue again. When things go alright (the majority of times), I can assure you it comes with great satisfaction, especially given how PUGs are despised everywhere. Regarding buffs/debuffs, some are no brainer, but others, as you said, can be forgone in normals with PUGs eg, instead than warhorn I find that undo is a godsend when I have to perform the role of "The Resurrector" :D
  • Zer0_CooL
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    Best runs i have, is with the kind of fakeheal that pulls like 70+dps knows all the mechanics and shortcuts.

  • MirandaSharp
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    No
    If you're pugging it's not fair to the (often) newbie players you get in normal dungeons if you as a tank don't control the bosses and the mobs, which can easily kill low level players.. Or as a healer you let them die without trying to heal them...

    On the other hand if you respec your dps character for healing or tanking so you can perform those functions in the pug It's all good.
  • Protossyder
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    Yes
    Here we go again.. :D
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  • Sparr0w
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    Does Not Matter
    You can solo most if not all normal dungeons on an 18k hp dps build, just be first to pull and everything agro's on you anyway.

    I'd still slot a taunt or a heal tho mostly for bosses.
    Edited by Sparr0w on January 26, 2021 10:22AM
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  • Lum1on
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    Sparr0w wrote: »
    You can solo most if not all normal dungeons on an 18k hp dps build, just be first to pull and everything agro's on you anyway.

    I'd still slot a taunt or a heal tho mostly for bosses.

    Even if you aggro'd the mobs or boss first does not mean they keep their aggro on you. Surely you can, I can, and many others can solo complete normal dungeons, even vet dungeons (DLC or non-DLC), but if you queue as a tank or as a healer you should slot in that taunt/heal and use it properly because there might be a completely new player in your group who has no idea and they just keep dying when they think there is someone to help them (tank or a healer).

    And when they keep dying they might think they suck in this game, they might get embarrassed of themselves, or whatnot. That might lead them to quit the game and never come back.

    That's why I think it's wrong to assume you can queue as a tank or a healer (and not slotting taunt or heals for the group) as a DD knowing that you can survive in there.
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  • Joosef_Kivikilpi
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    When you can do the role comfortably as a tank/healer/dps and know the dungeon mechanics? Yes.

    I rock a 33k Magic, 19k Health, 19k Stamina Mageblade and I comfortable can complete most all content and tank it. I will not queue into vet pledges of 2nd versions of base game dungeons or dlc dungeons. I know my limitations as a tank for the most part on my Mageblade, so I won't disrespect the group with that. But I'm confident my 12k DPS homies appreciate my 40k dps tank and healer :D on easy vet pledges etc. haha
  • svendf
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    Kurat wrote: »
    Normal dungeons dont need real tank and healer. Queuing as fake role may seem wrong for some but it shortens everyone's queue times. Think about that for a minute.

    Yes they do and especially for the DLC`s. I do see alot of DD´s not able to compleate these dungeon´s. So you are all wrong in this matter. The DD´s running as tank or healer´s ae att best really bad and have no interest in healing or tanking. Many fake tanks have HP way under tthe magine for ok tanking and they know that, when hunted down by a boss and therefore try to run away.

    If you don´t have these experiences there is no reason for you to comment on issue in anyway as it don´t bring anything to the tabel other than making fun of everything.
  • Lum1on
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    Kurat wrote: »
    Normal dungeons dont need real tank and healer. Queuing as fake role may seem wrong for some but it shortens everyone's queue times. Think about that for a minute.

    What do you mean by a real tank and healer? If you're experienced player, no, you may not need them. But if you're new, just hit level 50 and want to try the DLC dungeons that you were too afraid to get in before, and you bring your friend with you who is just as new as you. Then you get grouped up with two very experienced players who have queued as a tank and healer, but they don't provide any self heals and they don't taunt any dangerous mobs/boss.

    That is exactly the point why there are roles you need to select before queuing because it may ruin the experience for others. This is a game for everyone meant to be played together with other players, not for one individual's selfish thinking "I know I can't die, so it doesn't matter what I do".

    Think about that for a minute.
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  • Matrix117
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    Yes
    The problem is as an endgame tank and dps, tanking is not fun when i can slot a vma bow on my tank and do 70% of group dps with just that and stone giant and usually only my lady thorn proccing alkosh.

    I can fake tank with my dps and always pull 80-90% of DPS even with me taunting trash, and if im on stam or magdk ill even chain the far stuff.

    for endgame players we usually just want our 10 stones, sit back and enjoy the speedy run. but even in vet pledges you can usually do all non dlc and some dlc with half decent 4 dps as long as you know the basic mechanics of the place and how to dodge/block.

    that being said when i see bad dps/people fake roles its definitely a bruh moment.

    Fake healing on the other hand i always say yes to as long as your vocal for everyone to put a self heal on (class hot usually works best)
  • Septimus_Magna
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    Yes
    Tanks main job = keep boss taunted and dont die
    Healers main job = keep party health topped off

    As long as fake dps perform that minimal role in a normal dungeon I am 100% fine with it.
    Most normal dungeons are easy to solo so having a tank/healer is not needed if you plan for it.
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  • Asardes
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    As tank, with Inner Rage on back bar:
    Yes, for normal dungeons, base game veteran dungeons and vWGT
    No, for other DLC veteran dungeons, since there are many hard hitting bosses

    As healer:
    For anything if you have an AoE heal ability, ex. Echoing Vigor or Matriarch
    Edited by Asardes on February 10, 2021 2:16PM
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  • Tberg725
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    I’m DPS and I will say when the pledges come up for FG1, ARX, Direfrost I will hit the que as a tank for the simple fact those dungeons are beyond easy and if there is a low level in the group more times than not it’s no sweat to them anyways sense they get the Uber noob buff for low levels and most people would rather hit the que and knock it out than hit the que and wait some times for more than an hour + but in the beginning of the dungeon I let group know I’m mainly dps and to say somthing if they have the quest to do so I know to hang back a bit or just nuke it
  • ixthUA
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    I queue to normal non-dlc dungeons with 3 aoe damage spells and 3 aoe healing spells, and armor set meant for dps. Even when i try my best i end up doing 40-50% of total healing and 20-40% of total damage.
    Being a pure healer often means slow progression through the dungeon, and sometimes people ask me to help dps.
    Being focused on dps means fast progression through the dungeon, but impatient dds can die when they try to tank.
    Being a balanced healing/dps role i can heal and help with dps, so far it is the best setup i tried for normal dungeons.

    I spent some time healing in ffxiv, there healer needs to toggle dps mode on, dps, toggle off dps mode, heal, repeat. And healer is supposed to dps there. In ESO heal-dpsing is many times easier.
    Edited by ixthUA on February 20, 2021 1:05AM
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  • Alutora
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    Imma say yes. HOWEVER. If you are a dd queuing as a tank or healer, you need to have the damage to back it up. Any normal, and any vet is perfectly doable as 3x dd, and it can be much faster than regular setup. I main a healer and my boyfriend mains a tank, and if we que as a real tank and healer, sometimes we get grouped with new or really low damage players, and some dungeons can take ages. I just did DC2 normal where the Netch boss took almost 20 mins to kill! 😆 or another time, one hour and half CoA2. I’m not a quitter so I stay, but these runs are usually just dragging for so long they give me headache.

    With our DDs, we que as a tank and healer for normals dungeons, always. We can 2 man any dungeon efficiently, so if we are with other high dmg guys even better, if not, no real loss. Saves everyone’s time.

    Also I remember when I was low lvl, just starting out in the game, I didn’t mind at all when got fake tank or healer and we just ran through the dungeons quickly. It also kinda took the pressure off me, as I didn’t know how to play yet, and obviously we had more dps this way.
    Edited by Alutora on March 7, 2021 1:33AM
  • Milli_Rabbit
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    No
    No. Queue as a dps and wait. There are a hundred different things to do while waiting for the queue. Skyshard hunting, questing, xp grinding, crafting, lore book collecting, trading, and the classic, bankstanding.
  • TheForFeeF
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    For normals, this is fine as I can solo a base-game dungeon with a glass-cannon DD build.

    For normal DLC, fake healing is what you can get away with, not fake tanking. As needed as healers are, there are too many options to get around this (self-heals and pale order ring). Tanking is a more important role than healing in this situation, as tanks take the aggro damage away from the DDs, who should be good enough to burn the boss down quick enough.

    Its veteran dungeons when this becomes more of an interesting topic.
    Edited by TheForFeeF on March 7, 2021 10:18AM
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