When will pre-Morrowind characters be allowed to get the skill point from a chapter's intro quest?

N00BxV1

Every chapter has an intro/tutorial quest that rewards 1 skill point upon completion, but only characters created during that chapter are allowed to do its intro quest and get the skill point. If your character was created before Morrowind (first chapter) then you aren't allowed to do any of the chapter intro/tutorial quests and can not get that skill point.

We've seen how many chapters now and our pre-morrowind characters are still unable to do any chapter's tutorial and get the associated skill point. So my main (created at PC launch) will always be 1 skill point less than what it should have. No, the loss of 1 skill point isn't world-breaking, but it does just feel like a big F-U to veteran players/characters especially since this has never even been acknowledged by zos. This is not the first time this has been brought up over the years either, so it would be really nice if zos could at least acknowledge it for once and maybe actually do something about it before the next chapter hits...

Hotdog_23

For me it's not about the point itself I don't need it but for completion sake it would be nice to have.

Stay safe and have fun

Turelus

I don't think it'll ever happen to be honest.

It's been how many years now and we've had people campaign for it every expansion since. You'll have to accept that those characters will always be 1 SP lower in total.

SeaGtGruff

Did the base game's original introduction award a Skill Point upon completion?

N00BxV1

Turelus wrote: »

I don't think it'll ever happen to be honest.

It's been how many years now and we've had people campaign for it every expansion since. You'll have to accept that those characters will always be 1 SP lower in total.

I'm not one to just lay down and accept something when it isn't right. This isn't alright and it should've been fixed a long time ago. They could've at least acknowledged the issue and told us to *** off or whatever - that would've been better than years of silence.

If I decide to buy the next chapter and this is still an issue, then expect to see another thread just like this...

N00BxV1

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Did the base game's original introduction award a Skill Point upon completion?

Every skill point that I got from the base game quests can still be earned on new "chapter" characters today. Characters created during a chapter will not miss anything, but characters created before the morrowind chapter are 1 SP less than others.

Coatmagic

Yes, well, they took away our ability to change items appearance in the field (which we paid for - twice) and we all just rolled over and took that so... Smile!

Dark_Lord_Kuro

I would prefer the dev to concentrate on real issue
Not one useless skill point
And yes im a pre morrowind player

mobicera

Its 1 skill point...
There are far more pressing bugs than the lack of 1 unneeded skill point.
Also at this point its really safe to say you wont get it.
But fear not because its actually irrelevant...

tmbrinks

They should allow us to do all the "introduction" quests on any character.

First time you do a MW/SS/Els/GM/Future Chapter one you get the skill point rewarded. The rest can just be done so we can see them, no skill point rewarded.

Those of us who are at 18/18 characters don't get to see those quests when a new chapter is released. (Yes, I know I can delete a character, but I'm not deleting my level 50 9-trait knowledge daily writs crafter with about 20 motifs learned with max horse riding skills, as that's my "worst" writ character)

Daemons_Bane

Beta player here, and I really could not care less about 1 skill point.. they have more important work to do.. you say they have not addressed the issue.. well, maybe it's not really an issue

Gundug

It is definitely an oversight that should have been addressed back when Morrowind was being designed, but like many things in the game, was not well thought out, and may never be fixed.

redlink1979

N00BxV1 wrote: »

(...) it does just feel like a big F-U to veteran players/characters especially since this has never even been acknowledged by zos. (...)

Pre-Morrowind here.
There are 457 points available (patch 6.1.5), missing one it's not a real issue...

adriant1978

There are also things which were in the game a long time ago and are now unobtainable by newer characters, but I'll wager you don't really need that skill point any more than I need a CP160 Encasement of Anguish.

Narvuntien

I think this is an extremely low priority issue.

Aliyavana

@ZOS_GinaBruno recently announced that Update 29 will remove excess skillpoints from all characters. It is a known issue since Morrowind that characters created before an account owns any of the chapters (Morrowind, Summerset, Elsweyr, Greymoor) cannot double dip and do both the Chapter tutorial and the base game tutorial (Soul Shriven in Coldharbour) for an extra skillpoint. People who created their characters before owning a chapter thus lose out on an extra skillpoint which especially hurts completionists. We don't even have the option to miss out on this like with the Mages Guild finale on sacrificing Valaste for the two skill points, we were not given a choice. And to those that suggest to restart my character if I want the skillpoint so much, restarting a character with 35k achievement points isn't something that is plausable, as it cannot be rebuilt overnight, and took years of playtime.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/374410/skillpoint-from-morrowind-tutorial-unobtainable-for-toons-created-before-morrowind-change-please/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/404450/major-oversight-summerset-tutorial-missable-skillpoint-

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone,

When we launched Update 28 on PC/Mac back in November, some of you ran into an issue where the Soul Trap or the Werewolf Ultimate skills had unmorphed. When attempting to re-morph these skills, they would continually reset and cause you to lose a skill point each time. Each attempt to refund missing skill points in subsequent incremental patches was unsuccessful. As we continued to further investigate the entirety of the issue, we discovered numerous other bugs that were contributing to a much larger and more extensive problem. In this post, we’ll elaborate on the current issues and how we plan to address them.

First, we need to take a step back and look at the skill system itself, which reallocates skill points in two different ways:

• Respec-ing, which grants a full refund of all points based on system tracking, completely ignoring allocated points
• Refunding, which measures allocations against expectations, and only returns points that are missing

We introduced Refunding in 2018 when a change to the Werewolf passive Devour removed the purchase requirement, and instead automatically granted the ability when players first acquired the Werewolf skill line. At that time, we did not take measures to refund the point back to players who had already spent a skill point on it.

Fast forward to Update 28 in 2020, when a recent change to the way we count skill point allocations caused an issue where abilities that are automatically granted - but have purchasable morphs - were not correctly counted. This caused those abilities to reset back to their base state without refunding a point. We quickly addressed the issue to prevent players from losing more points, and with it, issued a skill point refund.

After this occurred, we continued to receive complaints that skill points were still not refunded. Upon further investigation, we suspected that some players actually had extra skill points for one reason or another – more than they should, and more than normal play would grant. This means when players lost a skill point, the system did not know to refund that missing point since they had extra points to begin with. To gather more information, we added some logging in an incremental patch to help us identify the players with extra skill points.

This brings us to today where we've identified an issue with the original addition of refunds. Since 2018, it appears that some players were erroneously granted extra skill points based on the number of Champion skills they purchased. Furthermore, our data shows that some players have earned more than 20 extra skill points this way that are unaccounted for by the refund system. The more Champion Points someone had, the more likely they were to encounter this issue. But to be clear, these are skill points that these players should not have been able to earn, and that are not obtainable by players through normal gameplay means.

To correct this issue and return us to a place where we can accurately give refunds when needed, we will push a full respec for skills and Champion Points to all players in Update 29. When that happens, all extra skill points should be removed from the game and all players will have access to the same amount of earnable skill points, as is intended. The amount of extraneous skill points we remove will range from 0 all the way up to 25, depending on skill allocation when these refunds were performed. We are taking additional steps to prepare for the future including improved logging for refunds, converting our refund process to match the respec process, and better precautions surrounding how we change existing skills.

We understand these actions may be pretty disruptive to your builds; to extend our apologies for all these issues, we’ll be offering a free Ambersheen Vale Fawn pet and free respecs for all players at the launch of Update 29.

We hope this gives some insight into this issue and the related investigation we’ve been tackling since Update 28. Thank you, and we appreciate your patience and understanding while we correct these issues.

spartaxoxo

Coatmagic wrote: »

Yes, well, they took away our ability to change items appearance in the field (which we paid for - twice) and we all just rolled over and took that so... *passes the vaseline* Smile!

I don't understand this comment

@CoatMagic

Starlock

Coatmagic wrote: »

Yes, well, they took away our ability to change items appearance in the field (which we paid for - twice) and we all just rolled over and took that so... *passes the vaseline* Smile!

Oh gods, I'd forgotten about that. That's a feature that would have been fantastic to have an expansion of, not ripped out of the game altogether.

Daemons_Bane

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Coatmagic wrote: »

Yes, well, they took away our ability to change items appearance in the field (which we paid for - twice) and we all just rolled over and took that so... *passes the vaseline* Smile!

I don't understand this comment

@CoatMagic

Once upon a time, the people who had bought an expansion with an armor appearance, could right click any piece of armor and transmog it to that look.. now everyone can do that for free

Raideen

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Beta player here, and I really could not care less about 1 skill point.. they have more important work to do.. you say they have not addressed the issue.. well, maybe it's not really an issue

Being a beta player has no significance or importance in the discussion, not sure why you'd include it.
Secondly, just because something is not important to you, does not mean it's not important to others. Why dismiss their concerns?

renne

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Every chapter has an intro/tutorial quest that rewards 1 skill point upon completion, but only characters created during that chapter are allowed to do its intro quest and get the skill point. If your character was created before Morrowind (first chapter) then you aren't allowed to do any of the chapter intro/tutorial quests and can not get that skill point.

We've seen how many chapters now and our pre-morrowind characters are still unable to do any chapter's tutorial and get the associated skill point. So my main (created at PC launch) will always be 1 skill point less than what it should have. No, the loss of 1 skill point isn't world-breaking, but it does just feel like a big F-U to veteran players/characters especially since this has never even been acknowledged by zos. This is not the first time this has been brought up over the years either, so it would be really nice if zos could at least acknowledge it for once and maybe actually do something about it before the next chapter hits...

I think it's entirely reasonable everyone get this skill point.

If only to stop the complaining.

I mean, at least you're not demanding they strip these skill points from people like some other people are which, my god, one skill point is so important that they'd demand other players lose something - including other players who've literally only just starting playing the game at that point with their baby toons suddenly losing a skill point because THEY didn't get one (1) whole skill point on a toon they started over three years ago? Jesus, my main isn't barely a year old and I have more than enough skill points on it to do whatever I need and I haven't even come close to earning all the skill points in the game.

Ironically though, even if ZoS do give it, folks will probably lose it anyway in the global respec and removal of extraneous skill points people shouldn't have and then they'll still be complaining they never got it.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Coatmagic wrote: »

Yes, well, they took away our ability to change items appearance in the field (which we paid for - twice) and we all just rolled over and took that so... *passes the vaseline* Smile!

I don't understand this comment

@CoatMagic

Once upon a time, the people who had bought an expansion with an armor appearance, could right click any piece of armor and transmog it to that look.. now everyone can do that for free

I think for those that did have the convert to option
The style change is non free of gold charge but others have to pay gold(or token)

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Raideen wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Beta player here, and I really could not care less about 1 skill point.. they have more important work to do.. you say they have not addressed the issue.. well, maybe it's not really an issue

Being a beta player has no significance or importance in the discussion, not sure why you'd include it.
Secondly, just because something is not important to you, does not mean it's not important to others. Why dismiss their concerns?

Well it does show the he is also missing on a useless skill point

Daemons_Bane

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Beta player here, and I really could not care less about 1 skill point.. they have more important work to do.. you say they have not addressed the issue.. well, maybe it's not really an issue

Being a beta player has no significance or importance in the discussion, not sure why you'd include it.
Secondly, just because something is not important to you, does not mean it's not important to others. Why dismiss their concerns?

Well it does show the he is also missing on a useless skill point

Precisely It was to indicate that I am also missing it

Coatmagic

[snip]

@Daenoms_Bane as I was saying:

Am not saying anything against the outfit system only that ZoS
removed something that many people paid for with no reason given as to why ^^

Some people paid twice for the ability to change items on the fly;
there was no reason for ZoS to remove that ability
also, we didn't have to pay to dye those items and now we do...

So, just smile and say thank you very much! It's very much 'their' game and they very much 'do what they want' when they want with it.

[Edited to remove Discussing Disciplinary Actions]

Daemons_Bane

Coatmagic wrote: »

[snip]

@Daenoms_Bane as I was saying:

Am not saying anything against the outfit system only that ZoS
removed something that many people paid for with no reason given as to why ^^

Some people paid twice for the ability to change items on the fly;
there was no reason for ZoS to remove that ability
also, we didn't have to pay to dye those items and now we do...

So, just smile and say thank you very much! It's very much 'their' game and they very much 'do what they want' when they want with it.

I never spoke out against it.. I just explained what it was, since someone asked about it.. That minor change don't bother me

zaria

Coatmagic wrote: »

[snip]

@Daenoms_Bane as I was saying:

Am not saying anything against the outfit system only that ZoS
removed something that many people paid for with no reason given as to why ^^

Some people paid twice for the ability to change items on the fly;
there was no reason for ZoS to remove that ability
also, we didn't have to pay to dye those items and now we do...

So, just smile and say thank you very much! It's very much 'their' game and they very much 'do what they want' when they want with it.

The style convert Imperial had and who also was added for some other styles was totally useless.
The reason was that you could not convert items who was part of sets. Do you use gear who is not part of sets?

I did not test this myself but this was reported by many and think it is in part why the current outfit system works as it does.
I assume style is part of the set data and not stored on items.

You can dye the equipped armor for free, the same is true for costumes if you have ESO+.
Outfit styles cost gold to dye.

Sevn

Raideen wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Beta player here, and I really could not care less about 1 skill point.. they have more important work to do.. you say they have not addressed the issue.. well, maybe it's not really an issue

Being a beta player has no significance or importance in the discussion, not sure why you'd include it.
Secondly, just because something is not important to you, does not mean it's not important to others. Why dismiss their concerns?

I thought it was quite obvious he included that bit of info to indicate he too was affected by this low priority issue, secondly, it is indeed a low priority issue and the devs have more important issues. That's why these concerns are so easily dismissed.

caperb

This is just one big non-issue. Pre-Morrowind characters aren't missing anything, post-Morrowind characters just have a little (almost meaningless) extra.

Mettaricana

mobicera wrote: »

Its 1 skill point...
There are far more pressing bugs than the lack of 1 unneeded skill point.
Also at this point its really safe to say you wont get it.
But fear not because its actually irrelevant...

I don't want the skill point because it means zos will have to lay their claws on something that isn't broken yet... i can easily see "hey guys we made that chapter skill point available to all....b-but.... now you're stuck in first person and any time you open your menu the game will blue screen your pc and crash your consoles no eta on a fix.... correction we can't fix it enjoy a kew crown sale tehe"

Moloch1514

caperb wrote: »

This is just one big non-issue. Pre-Morrowind characters aren't missing anything, post-Morrowind characters just have a little (almost meaningless) extra.

But pre Morrowind characters are missing 1 extra skill point that is now earnable in the game. So by definition of "are not", this is false/misleading.