Poor poor Bretons, the most shafted race in ESO.

ealdwin

Besides the fact that all the High Rock zones are already filled out, one of the bigger problems in how ESO represents Breton Society and Culture, comes from how ESO sized the zones. (Nothing against the size of the zones; they could arguably be bigger, but too big and each zone would probably feel overwhelming.). In TES Lore, High Rock is one of the more (if not the most) populated province. If you had to compile a list of the 10 biggest cities in Tamriel, you would see probably see multiple Breton cities. The mindset of the Breton race essentially boils down to viewing every hill as a great spot for a new castle. For this all to be fully represented in ESO, more than half of some of the zones would be occupied by continuous city. A few feet outside of the gates of Daggerfall would be the gates of Shalgora.

Not to mention the sheer number of factions that could have been present. The game does an OK job with the knightly orders. We get the knights of the Dragon, Flame, and the Lion (notably), but supposedly each and every Breton kingdom has their own associated Knightly Order. Then you have the Temple Knightly Orders, one for each of the 8 Divines, in addition to the Temples themselves. TES 2: Daggerfall also includes 9 Vampiric orders that are present in the Illiac Bay region. And all that doesn't include the other various noble houses that might not be leading kingdoms at the present or other potential magical factions.

In other words, Breton society is highly faction-oriented society, and ESO does a fair job at representing that in its base game zones, considering the resources and time they probably had at the time. (And that they had to devote some time to the other zones.)

dinokstrunz

If they ever add a new Breton stuff it'll probably be added in the form of a new armour styles, quests, dungeons or Trials.

renne

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Khajiits on the other hand blew everything out of the water with the amount of content they got so far. I kinda wish all races at some point would have this much zones...

Half a base game zone, two DLC zones that didn't exist before 2019 plus a small island? That's "blowing it out of the water"? When you the dunmer exist, who have two full base game zones, two DLC zones plus plenty of empty real estate for more DLC?

Ratzkifal

Greasytengu wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Greasytengu wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

To this, I'd actually remove most of the Nords' dungeons. Bloodroot and Icereach are 100% Reachmen, and they are also the major enemies in Direfrost as well. Frostvault is a Dwemer/Goblin dungeon as well (There are not even any Nords in that dungeon).

I included Bloodroot and Icereach because the Nords are basically the protagonists whereas the reachmen are the enemies. In Direfrost your traipsing around a nordic ruin uncovering the history of a witch hunting Nord family.

I think i put frostvault in there by mistake though.

Theres just alot of Nord elements in so many places where they dont belong. Scalecaller Peak is in Stormhaven, but the main baddie is a Nord dragon priest! Why not just plop scalecaller in Nord territory? In Moongrave Fane one of the leaders of a Khajiiti Vampire clan is a Nord. Like WHY!!

@Greasytengu That guy, Grundwulf, is not a Nord dragonpriest. He is a Nord who trained with the Greybeards before joining the Imperial Legion and became vampire. Renault, his former friend who served in the military with him, is also a vampire and later becomes one of Tiber Septims generals. Grundwulf and Renault have been waiting for a Dragonborn to unite the Empire and with the Dragons returning (to Elsweyr), Grundwulf thought that this was destiny and he could become that Dragonborn by drinking a dragon's blood.

The reason he had to be a Nord was for the rule of cool. That guy who's obsessed with becoming a dragonborn, needs to have some dragon shouts and the Khajiit don't have anyone teaching Dragonshouts for long enough that people who aren't dragonborn can pick them up over night. So he has to be a Nord vampire who teamed up with some local vampires.

As for Scalecaller, Thurvokun was lore all the way back in Arena and Fanglair just happened to be in High Rock. So naturally the dragonpriest that served him would have to be close by too. Just wait until we find ancient nordic Ruins on the Redoran coast in western Morrowind from the time of the Skyrim conquest. The point is that Nords have already been too integrated into the lore that sometimes it's hard to justify not including them.

I never called Grundwulf a dragonpriest.

But your missing my main point, there is TOO MUCH Nord just scattered everywhere. Just because the story includes dragons does not mean it has to include Nords.

Nords are boring, even more than the Bretons. Their only defining trait is their height and tolerance for alcohol. They took Vikings and somehow made them lame. Why shoehorn them into every single thing?

I mean they have a disproportionately large amount of Nord themed outfit styles too:
Nord, Ancestral Nord, Draugr, Blackreach Vanguard, Swordthane, Ebonheart pact, Skaal Explorer, Sovenguard Stalwart, Dragonbone (the style given to the people who per-ordered Elsweyr mind you), Horned Dragon, Bloodforge, Scalecaller, hell even the Moongrave Fane style is almost as much nordic as it is Khajiiti (I mean who wears fur in a desert?)

Edit: Snowhawk, the style given to us during the Summerset event is more Nord themed than High elf. Did you see any snow in Summerset? Did you see anyone wearing fur, or leather robes with Celtic designs on it?

Nords are like the racial equivalent to broccoli. We can stand it in small doses, but our parents(ZOS) keep hiding it in everything.

Yep, I totally misread that. But no, I am not missing your main point. I actually agree with it for the most part.
The reason Nords are so omnipresent is because there is already so much known about them. It's easy to build onto that.

If Grundwulf had been a Khajiit, then it would have been hard to justify making him use dragonshouts and the Greybeards don't normally teach non-Nords the way of the voice (unless they are Dragonborn). They simply wanted to have that boss use dragonshouts and so they chose to make him a Nord. Could be called a mistake, but I'd say the fight is cooler now than yet another vampire (even if it's a Khajiit vampire).

I disagree that Nords are boring though. The animal totem worship, the Dragoncult, the Skaal and their culture, their underground crypt cities, the tongues and Greybeards all make them quite different from simple vikings. And then they are still vikings, which is already cool in itself. It's just very easy to build onto what you already know about.

The Bretons don't have anything that makes them unique as their Elven heritage is somewhat pushed into the background and is barely noticeable aside from them having magic affinity. Not that I would want them to be more Elven, but their culture could use some spice.
Perhaps something could be done with the knight orders to make them more than just what we already know from historical Europe? Every culture on Tamriel has kind of their own spin on religion so that's probably a good point to start making the Bretons more interesting.

Aliyavana

Greasytengu wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Greasytengu wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

To this, I'd actually remove most of the Nords' dungeons. Bloodroot and Icereach are 100% Reachmen, and they are also the major enemies in Direfrost as well. Frostvault is a Dwemer/Goblin dungeon as well (There are not even any Nords in that dungeon).

I included Bloodroot and Icereach because the Nords are basically the protagonists whereas the reachmen are the enemies. In Direfrost your traipsing around a nordic ruin uncovering the history of a witch hunting Nord family.

I think i put frostvault in there by mistake though.

Theres just alot of Nord elements in so many places where they dont belong. Scalecaller Peak is in Stormhaven, but the main baddie is a Nord dragon priest! Why not just plop scalecaller in Nord territory? In Moongrave Fane one of the leaders of a Khajiiti Vampire clan is a Nord. Like WHY!!

@Greasytengu That guy, Grundwulf, is not a Nord dragonpriest. He is a Nord who trained with the Greybeards before joining the Imperial Legion and became vampire. Renault, his former friend who served in the military with him, is also a vampire and later becomes one of Tiber Septims generals. Grundwulf and Renault have been waiting for a Dragonborn to unite the Empire and with the Dragons returning (to Elsweyr), Grundwulf thought that this was destiny and he could become that Dragonborn by drinking a dragon's blood.

The reason he had to be a Nord was for the rule of cool. That guy who's obsessed with becoming a dragonborn, needs to have some dragon shouts and the Khajiit don't have anyone teaching Dragonshouts for long enough that people who aren't dragonborn can pick them up over night. So he has to be a Nord vampire who teamed up with some local vampires.

As for Scalecaller, Thurvokun was lore all the way back in Arena and Fanglair just happened to be in High Rock. So naturally the dragonpriest that served him would have to be close by too. Just wait until we find ancient nordic Ruins on the Redoran coast in western Morrowind from the time of the Skyrim conquest. The point is that Nords have already been too integrated into the lore that sometimes it's hard to justify not including them.

I never called Grundwulf a dragonpriest.

But your missing my main point, there is TOO MUCH Nord just scattered everywhere. Just because the story includes dragons does not mean it has to include Nords.

Nords are boring, even more than the Bretons. Their only defining trait is their height and tolerance for alcohol. They took Vikings and somehow made them lame. Why shoehorn them into every single thing?

I mean they have a disproportionately large amount of Nord themed outfit styles too:
Nord, Ancestral Nord, Draugr, Blackreach Vanguard, Swordthane, Ebonheart pact, Skaal Explorer, Sovenguard Stalwart, Dragonbone (the style given to the people who per-ordered Elsweyr mind you), Horned Dragon, Bloodforge, Scalecaller, hell even the Moongrave Fane style is almost as much nordic as it is Khajiiti (I mean who wears fur in a desert?)

Edit: Snowhawk, the style given to us during the Summerset event is more Nord themed than High elf. Did you see any snow in Summerset? Did you see anyone wearing fur, or leather robes with Celtic designs on it?

Nords are like the racial equivalent to broccoli. We can stand it in small doses, but our parents(ZOS) keep hiding it in everything.

i am tired of nords and skyrim.

Faulgor

Agreed on all counts.

All I want is one or two really good Breton dungeons ... I mean, it's also all we can ask for at this point.

Mythreindeer

It's only reflective of actual societies that are piecemeal and has no particular identity or legendarium of it's own. Take America for example...

WeerW3ir

Thats what you get when your bosses tell you to keep the whole area clean till we fully announce Elder Scrolls VI: Redfall

Anyway kinda i feel its stupid. i mean. why not adding any breton related areas? only explantion would be that they still havent finished the world building there for 6. which mean they cannot just let the online team to go and create the land on their own to avoid the fuckups.

Araneae6537

Bretons have decent racial passives at least. Bosmer are most shafted in that regard, followed by Argonians.

Content-wise, I have zero interest in any more pseudo-European-medieval setting for fantasy because it’s been done sooo much. Yes, it can be done well, but I’d rather see more that feels really unique and different, alien even. Nothing beats TES III for that!

If the lore is already set, then Bretons and Nords can’t be made more interesting, but no reason to focus even more on them. The non-human races and their unique lore and lands are a large part of what make TES interesting IMHO.

VaranisArano

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Thats what you get when your bosses tell you to keep the whole area clean till we fully announce Elder Scrolls VI: Redfall

Anyway kinda i feel its stupid. i mean. why not adding any breton related areas? only explantion would be that they still havent finished the world building there for 6. which mean they cannot just let the online team to go and create the land on their own to avoid the fuckups.

Even if Bethesda has finished, there's something to be said for not playing in the same sandbox.

I mean, some players bought Western Skyrim because they wanted more Nords, more Skyrim, and more vampires. I did not because I get that fix from the Dawnguard DLC, where its all done much better.

Pros: nostalgia can pique player interest
Cons: repeating content invites negative comparisons

Vanya

Who cares for Bretons the only usefulness was their magic resist in Skyrim ,other than that insignificant, its all about Nords,cats and Elves.

Nords superiority.

Greasytengu's post was most accurate regarding attention to races, How Hammerfell has so much and yet Redguard i possibly one of the least played

Vanya

The most ignored race are orcs they are primitive brutish barbaric least amount of attention their last major update was Wrothfar and thats it in Skyrim they have their longhouses too

Vanya

ealdwin wrote: »

Besides the fact that all the High Rock zones are already filled out, one of the bigger problems in how ESO represents Breton Society and Culture, comes from how ESO sized the zones. (Nothing against the size of the zones; they could arguably be bigger, but too big and each zone would probably feel overwhelming.). In TES Lore, High Rock is one of the more (if not the most) populated province. If you had to compile a list of the 10 biggest cities in Tamriel, you would see probably see multiple Breton cities. The mindset of the Breton race essentially boils down to viewing every hill as a great spot for a new castle. For this all to be fully represented in ESO, more than half of some of the zones would be occupied by continuous city. A few feet outside of the gates of Daggerfall would be the gates of Shalgora.

Not to mention the sheer number of factions that could have been present. The game does an OK job with the knightly orders. We get the knights of the Dragon, Flame, and the Lion (notably), but supposedly each and every Breton kingdom has their own associated Knightly Order. Then you have the Temple Knightly Orders, one for each of the 8 Divines, in addition to the Temples themselves. TES 2: Daggerfall also includes 9 Vampiric orders that are present in the Illiac Bay region. And all that doesn't include the other various noble houses that might not be leading kingdoms at the present or other potential magical factions.

In other words, Breton society is highly faction-oriented society, and ESO does a fair job at representing that in its base game zones, considering the resources and time they probably had at the time. (And that they had to devote some time to the other zones.)

True about size, look at the Skyim 4 zones added potential for 4 more ,but Skyrim's Legendary success had an effect, High rock was last region i visited least impressive it looks to standard, the landscape,architecture,bretons,etc with exception of Wrothgar and uttermost North stil huge amount to explore maybe story will be good

but Bretons and their lore, characters,cities are too ow to call it , uninteresting compared to other races,lore,aesthetics etc

Slyclone

Yeah i hope the make another zone one day with all Breton content.

One thing they got: good looks.

Vanya

VaranisArano wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Thats what you get when your bosses tell you to keep the whole area clean till we fully announce Elder Scrolls VI: Redfall

Anyway kinda i feel its stupid. i mean. why not adding any breton related areas? only explantion would be that they still havent finished the world building there for 6. which mean they cannot just let the online team to go and create the land on their own to avoid the fuckups.

Even if Bethesda has finished, there's something to be said for not playing in the same sandbox.

I mean, some players bought Western Skyrim because they wanted more Nords, more Skyrim, and more vampires. I did not because I get that fix from the Dawnguard DLC, where its all done much better.

Pros: nostalgia can pique player interest
Cons: repeating content invites negative comparisons

Players did not buy Western Skyrim to get more of what you stated, it may be more complex, the fact you love Dawnguard relate to vampire does not mean to reject shun away entire expansion

Is it,what about Morrowind expansion.Upcoming Oblivion content ?

I bet Nostalgia did same for you when you started ESO, game was infulenced and essentially built on foundations of other Elder scrolls game, would not existed otherwise, you are not omniscient far from it.

GrimTheReaper45

Greasytengu wrote: »

Bosmer suffer from alot of the same issues. Base game has already explored 90% of Valenwood. We did learn heaps about Bosmer culture, but mostly because that has never really been explored in any depth before.

Lets look at zone distribution. Only counting Dungeons that have relevance to the race's lore (example: Tempest island and March of sacrifices are loacated in Bosmer zones, but take place somewhere else and are focused on non-bosmer lore)

Altmer: Auridon and Summerset. 1 dungeon (Banished Cells) and 1 trial ( Cloudrest) No potential new zones.

Argonian: Shadowfen and Murkmire, and 1/2 of Bal Foyen. 2 Dungeons, and 1/2 of an arena (Mazzatun, Cradle of Shadows, and 1/2 of Blackrose Prison) massive potential for new zones, can easily count 6 potential zones in that empty corner of the map.

Bosmer: Ghratwood, Greenshade, Malabal tor and 1/2 of Reapers March. They have 4 dungeons (Elden Hollow, City of Ash, Selene's Web, and Lair of Maarselok) No potential new zones.

Breton: Glenumbra, Stormhaven, Rivenspire and 1/2 Bangkorai. Has 1 dungeon (Wayrest sewers) little to no potential for new zones.

Dunmer: Stonefalls, Deshaan, Vvardenfel, Clockwork City and 1/2 of Bal Foyen. 2 dungeons (Darkshade Caverns and Fungal Grotto)and 1 trials (Halls of Fabrication and Asylum Sanctorium) Space for 3-4 potential new zones (Redoran coast, Telvanni peninsula(possibly big enough for 2 zones) and the Sheogorad islands north of Vvardenfell)

Imperial: Cyrodiil, Imperial City, and Gold coast. 4 1/2 dungeons and 1/2 of an arena (White-Gold Tower, Imperial City Prison, Moonhunter keep 1/2 Depths of Malatar, and 1/2 of Blackrose Prison) 3 possible zones (Colovian Highlands + West Weald, Nibenay Basin, and possibly the Blackwoods though that could just as easily be an Argonian zone)

Khajiit: 1/2 of Reapers March, Kenarthi's Roost, Northern Elsweyr, and Southern Elsweyr. 1 dungeon (Moongrave Fane) and 2 trials (Maw of Lorkhaj, and Sunspire) 1 small possible zone (Tanmar forest)

Nord: Bleackrock, Eastmarch, the Rift, Western Skyrim. 4 dungeons (Icereach, Frostvault, Falkreath Hold, Bloodroot Forge, Direfrost Keep) though they feature very heavily in several other that make this borderline 7 (Stone Garden (vampire), Castle Thorn (vampire), Scalecaller Peak (Dragon and Necromancer themes)) 1 trial (Kyne's Aegis) Up to 5 potential new zones (Solstheim, Whiterun hold, the Pale, Winterhold, Falkreath hold though that's unlikely)

Orismer: Wrothgar and Betnikh. no dungeons, trials, or Arenas. No potential new zones.

Redguard: Stros M'kai, Alik'r Desert, 1/2 Bangkorai, Craglorn, and Hew's Bane. has 2 dungeons (Volenfell, Unhallowed Grave) 1 trial (Hel Ra Citiadel) i know Scantum Ophidia and Atherium Archive take place in Craglorn but that are really not Redguard focused. 2-3 potential zones (Khefrem (the coastal region in the south attached to Hew's Bane), the large un named stretch inland that includes the Cities of Taneth and Rihad, and Sunforge which is bordering along Craglorn with the city of Ska'vyn) plus the possibility of many islands under their control in the Acecean Sea.



Well its easy the see who the most shafted race on Nirn is. Fittingly, its the Orcs, the pariah folk.

What is between wrothgar and west skyrim/reach? thought that was breton territory

Vanya

Slyclone wrote: »

Yeah i hope the make another zone one day with all Breton content.

One thing they got: good looks.

They look more humanly to *** Sapiens as humanly they can. Bretons are British, surely same can be said that Nords are indeed Scandinavian, speaking looks wise Nordic men and women topples Breton any day , in particular women, most alpha as well.

tomofhyrule

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

What is between wrothgar and west skyrim/reach? thought that was breton territory

It is High Rock, but the Druadach mountains are firmly Reachman territory.

Though if we wanted to be technical about everything, Wrothgar as a zone is also technically High Rock. Orcs never really had a home province (which is one of the reasons they joined the Covenant, nice to see that worked out for them...). By the fourth era, Orsinium's sacked again and it moves to the Skyrim/Hammerfell border. I'd love to see it come up in TES6.

I don't know if we'll be getting any more Breton stuff in ESO. All of High Rock (except that bit in the mountains) is already in game, and the big expanse they're likely saving for TES6 is all Hammerfell. The one thing that the Bretons have that isn't in game yet is Balfiera, but that's just a small island dominated by Direnni tower.

Same with the Wood Elves - All of Valenwood's in the game, so there's not much expansion they could do there without making Falinesti reappear, and that's only a single tree city.

ealdwin

Vanya wrote: »

ealdwin wrote: »

Besides the fact that all the High Rock zones are already filled out, one of the bigger problems in how ESO represents Breton Society and Culture, comes from how ESO sized the zones. (Nothing against the size of the zones; they could arguably be bigger, but too big and each zone would probably feel overwhelming.). In TES Lore, High Rock is one of the more (if not the most) populated province. If you had to compile a list of the 10 biggest cities in Tamriel, you would see probably see multiple Breton cities. The mindset of the Breton race essentially boils down to viewing every hill as a great spot for a new castle. For this all to be fully represented in ESO, more than half of some of the zones would be occupied by continuous city. A few feet outside of the gates of Daggerfall would be the gates of Shalgora.

Not to mention the sheer number of factions that could have been present. The game does an OK job with the knightly orders. We get the knights of the Dragon, Flame, and the Lion (notably), but supposedly each and every Breton kingdom has their own associated Knightly Order. Then you have the Temple Knightly Orders, one for each of the 8 Divines, in addition to the Temples themselves. TES 2: Daggerfall also includes 9 Vampiric orders that are present in the Illiac Bay region. And all that doesn't include the other various noble houses that might not be leading kingdoms at the present or other potential magical factions.

In other words, Breton society is highly faction-oriented society, and ESO does a fair job at representing that in its base game zones, considering the resources and time they probably had at the time. (And that they had to devote some time to the other zones.)

True about size, look at the Skyim 4 zones added potential for 4 more ,but Skyrim's Legendary success had an effect, High rock was last region i visited least impressive it looks to standard, the landscape,architecture,bretons,etc with exception of Wrothgar and uttermost North stil huge amount to explore maybe story will be good

but Bretons and their lore, characters,cities are too ow to call it , uninteresting compared to other races,lore,aesthetics etc

“Interesting” is all in the eye of the beholder. For myself and other players, Bretons are highly interesting, and exploration of their lore and society would be most welcome. I’d even dare say I think they are more interesting than some other races that some would deem most interesting, and they boast some of the more “impressive” cities. (At risk of backlash, I won’t disclose which races). But that is just my opinion.

And why should some opinions be held over others regarding what we see going forward. I have very little interest in swampy zones (I’m more of a hills and forests guy), but would not want to see those who enjoy such zones deprived of content they would want. The lack of Breton content is noticeable, especially post- base game, and even more varying armor styles and costumes would be very welcome.

The other issue is that Bretons really haven’t had much of their lore explored in the same depth as other races since Daggerfall. And that game was in the toddler-dom of TES lore. Khajiit were in a similar situation and then Elsweyr came out, bringing with it quests, motifs, books, locations, etc. The lack of such a potential exploration via zone chapter for the Bretons is regrettable. I am pleased with the zones we do get, but the desire for more lingers.

Vanya

tomofhyrule wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

What is between wrothgar and west skyrim/reach? thought that was breton territory

It is High Rock, but the Druadach mountains are firmly Reachman territory.

Though if we wanted to be technical about everything, Wrothgar as a zone is also technically High Rock. Orcs never really had a home province (which is one of the reasons they joined the Covenant, nice to see that worked out for them...). By the fourth era, Orsinium's sacked again and it moves to the Skyrim/Hammerfell border. I'd love to see it come up in TES6.

I don't know if we'll be getting any more Breton stuff in ESO. All of High Rock (except that bit in the mountains) is already in game, and the big expanse they're likely saving for TES6 is all Hammerfell. The one thing that the Bretons have that isn't in game yet is Balfiera, but that's just a small island dominated by Direnni tower.

Same with the Wood Elves - All of Valenwood's in the game, so there's not much expansion they could do there without making Falinesti reappear, and that's only a single tree city.

If there is one region that deserves to be in TES6 Is Hammerfell the region is masssive filled with wondrous lore,warrior culture of Redguards,magical landscape ,ruins, also Hammerfell is not only desert, same could be said for Skyrim frozen tundra or too many mountains yet game was Legendary but that is not topic to discuss here

ealdwin

tomofhyrule wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

What is between wrothgar and west skyrim/reach? thought that was breton territory

It is High Rock, but the Druadach mountains are firmly Reachman territory.

Though if we wanted to be technical about everything, Wrothgar as a zone is also technically High Rock. Orcs never really had a home province (which is one of the reasons they joined the Covenant, nice to see that worked out for them...). By the fourth era, Orsinium's sacked again and it moves to the Skyrim/Hammerfell border. I'd love to see it come up in TES6.

I don't know if we'll be getting any more Breton stuff in ESO. All of High Rock (except that bit in the mountains) is already in game, and the big expanse they're likely saving for TES6 is all Hammerfell. The one thing that the Bretons have that isn't in game yet is Balfiera, but that's just a small island dominated by Direnni tower.

Same with the Wood Elves - All of Valenwood's in the game, so there's not much expansion they could do there without making Falinesti reappear, and that's only a single tree city.

Wrothgar’s existence does beg the question as to what happened to the Bretons living in the area. Or did existing towns and cities if the Bretons simply get written from the lore?

Also have to appreciate how when ZOS needs to “orcify” a Bretic name, they just change some vowels and throw in some K’s and H’s. See Betony being garbled into Betnikh, or Farrun becoming Fharun.

tomofhyrule

Vanya wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

What is between wrothgar and west skyrim/reach? thought that was breton territory

It is High Rock, but the Druadach mountains are firmly Reachman territory.

Though if we wanted to be technical about everything, Wrothgar as a zone is also technically High Rock. Orcs never really had a home province (which is one of the reasons they joined the Covenant, nice to see that worked out for them...). By the fourth era, Orsinium's sacked again and it moves to the Skyrim/Hammerfell border. I'd love to see it come up in TES6.

I don't know if we'll be getting any more Breton stuff in ESO. All of High Rock (except that bit in the mountains) is already in game, and the big expanse they're likely saving for TES6 is all Hammerfell. The one thing that the Bretons have that isn't in game yet is Balfiera, but that's just a small island dominated by Direnni tower.

Same with the Wood Elves - All of Valenwood's in the game, so there's not much expansion they could do there without making Falinesti reappear, and that's only a single tree city.

If there is one region that deserves to be in TES6 Is Hammerfell the region is masssive filled with wondrous lore,warrior culture of Redguards,magical landscape ,ruins, also Hammerfell is not only desert, same could be said for Skyrim frozen tundra or too many mountains yet game was Legendary but that is not topic to discuss here

I've never been big on desert landscapes myself (I'm a huge fan of snow and viking aesthetic, so Skyrim was right up my alley), but it'd be nice to see the parts of Hammerfell that aren't just the Alik'r. Obviously you'd have to have the desert in some fashion, but I find the badlands of Craglorn as a zone more interesting than the desert. Badlands are really underused in games, and they can be really cool.

I likes in Skyrim that there were some varied environments, from the plains of Whiterun and craggy Reach to the temperate Rift and the glacial Winterhold. I hope we also get to have a lot of varied environments in Hammerfell as well. I'm much more keen on the areas of the Dragontail mountains, what with Dragonstar and the ruins there (what can I say, I like the Nordic style), and hopefully we'll see the new Orsinium in that area. I also wonder if they're going to give Hammerfell as a province, or if they're going to skew north and give us the intrigue of High Rock as well.

YstradClud

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I also wonder if they're going to give Hammerfell as a province, or if they're going to skew north and give us the intrigue of High Rock as well.

People talking about it on social media seem to think High Rock with be included as well but I think its just going to be an after thought if it is.

Greasytengu

ealdwin wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

What is between wrothgar and west skyrim/reach? thought that was breton territory

It is High Rock, but the Druadach mountains are firmly Reachman territory.

Though if we wanted to be technical about everything, Wrothgar as a zone is also technically High Rock. Orcs never really had a home province (which is one of the reasons they joined the Covenant, nice to see that worked out for them...). By the fourth era, Orsinium's sacked again and it moves to the Skyrim/Hammerfell border. I'd love to see it come up in TES6.

I don't know if we'll be getting any more Breton stuff in ESO. All of High Rock (except that bit in the mountains) is already in game, and the big expanse they're likely saving for TES6 is all Hammerfell. The one thing that the Bretons have that isn't in game yet is Balfiera, but that's just a small island dominated by Direnni tower.

Same with the Wood Elves - All of Valenwood's in the game, so there's not much expansion they could do there without making Falinesti reappear, and that's only a single tree city.

Wrothgar’s existence does beg the question as to what happened to the Bretons living in the area. Or did existing towns and cities if the Bretons simply get written from the lore?

Also have to appreciate how when ZOS needs to “orcify” a Bretic name, they just change some vowels and throw in some K’s and H’s. See Betony being garbled into Betnikh, or Farrun becoming Fharun.

I believe basically everything between High Rock and the Western Skyrim all the way down to the Jerrals mountains was owned by the Reachmen, they were much more powerful in this era than in 4th era Skyrim.

Earlier in the 2nd era they took over Cyrodiil ( https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Longhouse_Emperors ) for a few generations right up until Varen Aquilarios deposed them.

Man if they ever add a new race, its gotta be Reachmen!

ealdwin

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GrimTheReaper45 wrote: »

What is between wrothgar and west skyrim/reach? thought that was breton territory

It is High Rock, but the Druadach mountains are firmly Reachman territory.

Though if we wanted to be technical about everything, Wrothgar as a zone is also technically High Rock. Orcs never really had a home province (which is one of the reasons they joined the Covenant, nice to see that worked out for them...). By the fourth era, Orsinium's sacked again and it moves to the Skyrim/Hammerfell border. I'd love to see it come up in TES6.

I don't know if we'll be getting any more Breton stuff in ESO. All of High Rock (except that bit in the mountains) is already in game, and the big expanse they're likely saving for TES6 is all Hammerfell. The one thing that the Bretons have that isn't in game yet is Balfiera, but that's just a small island dominated by Direnni tower.

Same with the Wood Elves - All of Valenwood's in the game, so there's not much expansion they could do there without making Falinesti reappear, and that's only a single tree city.

Wrothgar’s existence does beg the question as to what happened to the Bretons living in the area. Or did existing towns and cities if the Bretons simply get written from the lore?

Also have to appreciate how when ZOS needs to “orcify” a Bretic name, they just change some vowels and throw in some K’s and H’s. See Betony being garbled into Betnikh, or Farrun becoming Fharun.

I believe basically everything between High Rock and the Western Skyrim all the way down to the Jerrals mountains was owned by the Reachmen, they were much more powerful in this era than in 4th era Skyrim.

Earlier in the 2nd era they took over Cyrodiil ( https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Longhouse_Emperors ) for a few generations right up until Varen Aquilarios deposed them.

Man if they ever add a new race, its gotta be Reachmen!

That would make the decision to give Wrothgar to the Orcs make more sense, if it were mainly Reachman habitation at the time.