Skintones Imperial

Grebcol

Why u can't have a light Skintone like bretons?

Mindcr0w

Because Imperials aren't the same as Bretons?

Grebcol

Imperials are descendants of cyro-nords (expecially Colovians which look more nordic) and nedic peoples. Would be not a problem to add more skintones.

MellowMagic

As someone who pretty much only plays imperials this is very true, in morrowind + you can be a fair skinned imperial. In eso the lightest skin is a fairly tan Mediterranean look which to be fair is accurate for an average imperial but considering you can be as black as a red guard I'm not sure it makes sense to have no fair skinned imperials especially considering the nibenese / colovion distinctions.

emilyhyoyeon

I have an imperial with the lightest skintone and she looks pretty light skinned to me when I compare it to the lightest breton, nord, and redguard tones. More options wouldn't hurt but I definitely wouldn't describe the lightest imperial skintone as tan even if it could go reasonably lighter

Grebcol

MellowMagic wrote: »

As someone who pretty much only plays imperials this is very true, in morrowind + you can be a fair skinned imperial. In eso the lightest skin is a fairly tan Mediterranean look which to be fair is accurate for an average imperial but considering you can be as black as a red guard I'm not sure it makes sense to have no fair skinned imperials especially considering the nibenese / colovion distinctions.

Thx, yes thats true. I played all TES and u could have there a lightskinned imperial. I would love to play a colovian Imperial (RP) in ESO . @ZOS pls add some lighter skintones to imperials.

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I have an imperial with the lightest skintone and she looks pretty light skinned to me when I compare it to the lightest breton, nord, and redguard tones. More options wouldn't hurt but I definitely wouldn't describe the lightest imperial skintone as tan even if it could go reasonably lighter

Nah the lightes skintone looks very tan for me.

Grebcol

And guess what funny is? NPC Imperials does have lighter skin.

Example

Right is my toon with lightest skin u can set. Left is a Imperial NPC in the gold coast

Cirantille

I am assuming the same reason my altmer can not have black hair

Grebcol

They should update the Char Creation. The Editor didn't get any updates since RLS. So maybe altmer getting black hair in the future.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

You can? The lightest imperial skintones are pretty damn light. I wouldn't call them "tan" at all

Also, they are imperials, not bretons. Why would they look like them?

Lady_Sleepless

Grebcol wrote: »

And guess what funny is? NPC Imperials does have lighter skin.

Example

Right is my toon with lightest skin u can set. Left is a Imperial NPC in the gold coast

I'm pretty sure that's a breton woman in Imperial clothing.

Edit: Actually I'm wrong. She is Imperial. I just went and had a look at her in game.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Diana_Gravius
However, it is a bit of an unfair example as male characters have a little more texture to the skin than female characters so they will always look a little darker. The Imperials can be very pale, bretons I always find look sickly pale.
But I'm always good with more choice. I'd personally love to have all the hair colour choices for all races unlocked.

Grebcol

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

You can? The lightest imperial skintones are pretty damn light. I wouldn't call them "tan" at all

Also, they are imperials, not bretons. Why would they look like them?

The facial model is different (and the "blood" in the lore), im only about the skintone. As i said Imperials are divided in Colovians and Nibenays. The Colovians are mostly Cyro-Nords which have a light skintone.

Lady_Sleepless wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

And guess what funny is? NPC Imperials does have lighter skin.

Example

Right is my toon with lightest skin u can set. Left is a Imperial NPC in the gold coast

I'm pretty sure that's a breton woman in Imperial clothing.

Edit: Actually I'm wrong. She is Imperial. I just went and had a look at her in game.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Diana_Gravius
However, it is a bit of an unfair example as male characters have a little more texture to the skin than female characters so they will always look a little darker. The Imperials can be very pale, bretons I always find look sickly pale.
But I'm always good with more choice. I'd personally love to have all the hair colour choices for all races unlocked.

More choices are everytime welcome. The Char Editor didn't had any updates yet. God i need also more beards!

PS: Also the male soldiers at Kvatch does have paler skin. They should be also imperial.

Minyassa

My friend has an albino character she wanted to reproduce in ESO and she made him an Imperial to get the right combo of light hair and skin. He looked super pale even before she made him a vampire.

Grebcol

The Pic above is the lightest Skintone you can choose for Imperial. No way you can be an albino without vampire.

Unij

You could play your Imperial as Vampire. I do this on my Redguard and people sometimes mistake her for a Breton.

Grebcol

Nah i do play PVP asides from RP and PVE and my build does not like vampirism.

zaria

Roll an Khajiit, all the colors outside green and blue, stripes and spots in variations.
This one has problems differentiating humans and elves. Just some skin tones, mane and beard variations. Guess its why face paint, tattoos and piercings are so common.

Nairinhe

zaria wrote: »

Roll an Khajiit, all the colors outside green and blue, stripes and spots in variations.
This one has problems differentiating humans and elves. Just some skin tones, mane and beard variations. Guess its why face paint, tattoos and piercings are so common.

Roll an Argonian and you get green and blue too (I think).

To differentiate mer and men:
1. If they are drunk, it's a Nord
2. If they try to eat you, it's a Bosmer
3. If they look like a programmer after three days without sleep and your cousin is their slave, it's a Dunmer
4. If their level of snootiness is even higher than thems-elves and ears are pointy, it's an Altmer
5. If ears aren't pointy, it's an Imperial
6. If they'd rather let a zombie eat them than fight back, it's a Redguard
7. If they look like a child of a Nord and an Argonian Behemoth, it's an Orc
7a. If you met them near a forge, it's definitely an Orc
8. Otherwise, if they have no noteworthy qualities, it's a Breton

(Jk, obviously, just in case)

Faiza

Nairinhe wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Roll an Khajiit, all the colors outside green and blue, stripes and spots in variations.
This one has problems differentiating humans and elves. Just some skin tones, mane and beard variations. Guess its why face paint, tattoos and piercings are so common.

Roll an Argonian and you get green and blue too (I think).

To differentiate mer and men:
1. If they are drunk, it's a Nord
2. If they try to eat you, it's a Bosmer
3. If they look like a programmer after three days without sleep and your cousin is their slave, it's a Dunmer
4. If their level of snootiness is even higher than thems-elves and ears are pointy, it's an Altmer
5. If ears aren't pointy, it's an Imperial
6. If they'd rather let a zombie eat them than fight back, it's a Redguard
7. If they look like a child of a Nord and an Argonian Behemoth, it's an Orc
7a. If you met them near a forge, it's definitely an Orc
8. Otherwise, if they have no noteworthy qualities, it's a Breton

(Jk, obviously, just in case)

Poor Bretons

I tried to make a Breton that didn't look like every Breton I had ever seen and just ended up deleting her instead lol.

Also, apparently my wood elf looks like an Imperial to a lot of people, if it weren't for the antlers I've been told no one would know she was an elf 😔

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Grebcol wrote: »

The facial model is different (and the "blood" in the lore), im only about the skintone. As i said Imperials are divided in Colovians and Nibenays. The Colovians are mostly Cyro-Nords which have a light skintone.

Colovia is a cyro-nord culture, it doesn't mean they are it themselves. They are imperial. There has actually been a lot of debating, speculating and theorising that there is no physical difference between colovians and nibenese and that the difference is strictly cultural. They are both imperials. A race made from a hodgepodge of different early races of man who settled in Cyrodiil.
There are pale nibenese, dark colovians and vice versa.

We should have the same options as the npcs though, even if I personally don't mind not having a "Never leave my Bruma basement" skintone. As long as nothing gets removed for it.

markulrich1966

left: my current setting, slider 2/3 to 3/4 to the right.

right: slider to the left

They do offer light skintones, just not pale or red-white like people with red hair usually have. Which matches, as imperials represent mediterranean ethnicities, (spanish/italian) not northern ones (british or german).

kinguardian

Grebcol wrote: »

They should update the Char Creation. The Editor didn't get any updates since RLS. So maybe altmer getting black hair in the future.

They need to have a good look at the char creation overall anyway.
It drives me insane that the appearance of my characters keep changing after a big update or change in the game.
(My bosmer has a brow like a cavewoman after greymoor went up)

And then there is the differences with the char creation screen, to char select screen to real life game.
Not only in the hair eyes skin etc tones but actual shapes and shadows of bonestructure.

Grebcol

markulrich1966 wrote: »

left: my current setting, slider 2/3 to 3/4 to the right.

right: slider to the left

They do offer light skintones, just not pale or red-white like people with red hair usually have. Which matches, as imperials represent mediterranean ethnicities, (spanish/italian) not northern ones (british or german).

My wife is italian (From Apulia) and she is paler than me 😀 .

vestahls

I would guess the logic behind it is that High Rock in mostly in more northern latitudes, and its southest point is around Cyrodiil's top half. So if a Breton is really-really pale, they would originate from the very north of High Rock, which is a point that Cyrodiil doesn't reach.

That said, there are indeed Mediterraneans who are very pale in RL. Maybe the game doesn't follow the same principles, I guess.

zaria

Nairinhe wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Roll an Khajiit, all the colors outside green and blue, stripes and spots in variations.
This one has problems differentiating humans and elves. Just some skin tones, mane and beard variations. Guess its why face paint, tattoos and piercings are so common.

Roll an Argonian and you get green and blue too (I think).

To differentiate mer and men:
1. If they are drunk, it's a Nord
2. If they try to eat you, it's a Bosmer
3. If they look like a programmer after three days without sleep and your cousin is their slave, it's a Dunmer
4. If their level of snootiness is even higher than thems-elves and ears are pointy, it's an Altmer
5. If ears aren't pointy, it's an Imperial
6. If they'd rather let a zombie eat them than fight back, it's a Redguard
7. If they look like a child of a Nord and an Argonian Behemoth, it's an Orc
7a. If you met them near a forge, it's definitely an Orc
8. Otherwise, if they have no noteworthy qualities, it's a Breton

(Jk, obviously, just in case)

This one thanks you for the useful guide.

markulrich1966

Grebcol wrote: »

markulrich1966 wrote: »

left: my current setting, slider 2/3 to 3/4 to the right.

right: slider to the left

They do offer light skintones, just not pale or red-white like people with red hair usually have. Which matches, as imperials represent mediterranean ethnicities, (spanish/italian) not northern ones (british or german).

My wife is italian (From Apulia) and she is paler than me 😀 .

yeah, this is why I wrote "ethnicities", not races.
Mankind has no races, and the variation of individual attributes can vary extremely.

A game though lives from stereotypes. Hence ESO uses the in real-life outdated term "races", that is also partially correct as orcs certainly are a different race.
I just googled for "apulia people", and the pictures show in majority people with a brown skin. Certainly mainly because of the sun, but still I don't see at first sight the typical stereotype pale representations of blonde or redhaired people more common in northern countries.

So I think the representation of imperials as "light, but not pale" is serving the stereotype of the game well.

Still debatable though if a fantasy setting like ESO should not allow in general more variety.

emilyhyoyeon

had to log in to my imperial just now so I figured I'd mention even though it's been a few days since the last post.

here's my imperial, with a reshade overlay that makes my game and as a result her skintone a bit darker. I don't see how this could ever be perceived as tan. But a shade or two lighter would be alright