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When u fix mist form?
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dcmgti✭✭✭I tried last night to be immortal in mist form.....I died to 4 players while kiting them. I have 30k health, good health recovery and 30k resist unbuffed. Guess Im not immortal after all
I also killed someone in mist form, guess immortality didn't work out for them either.
And yes if I stacked recovery glyphs I would be giving up damage with sweeps and my honor the dead heal would be even crappier than what it is. See how that works? I have to give up something to get something.
I have seen immortality in Cyrodiil though. AD has a group of 5-6 necro harbinger tanks that move as a unit, seem to be immune to all stun/cc, have constant aoes around them and crazy amounts of health. You are crying about mist form when there are things out there that are way more broken. For the record a proper block tank build even without harbinger can stay alive a lot longer against a number of players than someone just chilling in mist.......Maybe because they can use something called 'block", which you can use in mist form.3 -
Syiccal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Because when you not in mist, ie to apply procs or what ever if you take any dmg you have to heal other wise you going into mist weakened. To get free cast mist you need like stage 3 at least at that point you health regen is on its ass even with eternal vigor, pots and troll king, I tested it. Doesnt work. So you need decent healing while not in mist2 -
dcmgti✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »The mist build you speak of sint that good, yes can stay in mist indefinitely but its still takes alot of dmg very quickly by various skills, and by building to have free mist you lack spell dmg which on a plar mean crap heals and wet noodle damage. Can use procs yea but any decent player isn't dying to zaan and even with WoE it's still very difficult to kill in that short window (cp)
no u have still okay damage with zaan and WoE u are nto even have decent burst .. and zero risk.. heal u do not need heal since u have immortality why heal ..
It isn't "immortality" LOL. It sounds like to me you don't have enough burst in your build. Or if someone is just chilling in mist as you claim they do(which I never really see) just move on. When I see 50k health block tank that's taking no damage from 8-9 people Im definitely not going to go waste my energy on trying to kill it1 -
Kartalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The approach is to proc zaan's, proc vateshran destro, then chill in mist form and follow them around. Mist to LOS when you need to re-buff or beams wear off. Elusive mist + steed + divines has you at around +45% movement speed, though you can't sprint. Will kill nubs, will frustrate decent players, and good players won't really worry about you -- similar to the high health werewolf builds.- PC/NA
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Joinovikova✭✭✭✭The approach is to proc zaan's, proc vateshran destro, then chill in mist form and follow them around. Mist to LOS when you need to re-buff or beams wear off. Elusive mist + steed + divines has you at around +45% movement speed, though you can't sprint. Will kill nubs, will frustrate decent players, and good players won't really worry about you -- similar to the high health werewolf builds.
the problem of this setup it just destroy solo pvp.. why solo pvp when 80% of solo players now use this .. << there is only one option u can lose due to lack of performance and not proper calculation location of zaan thats it but cant win best solotion is just leave him and do not fight but it is not healthy for the game.. thats a problem... and also it foce u to have
RAT or other major expedition on your buildto ensure u will be able to break zaan.,. its not problem on nb sorc warden, but f.e. on mag dk it is statrt to be decent problem0 -
dcmgti✭✭✭Even just zaan's and vate destro by themselves won't kill most players and if it did then it would take a long time to kill someone.1
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Joinovikova✭✭✭✭I tried last night to be immortal in mist form.....I died to 4 players while kiting them. I have 30k health, good health recovery and 30k resist unbuffed. Guess Im not immortal after all
I also killed someone in mist form, guess immortality didn't work out for them either.
And yes if I stacked recovery glyphs I would be giving up damage with sweeps and my honor the dead heal would be even crappier than what it is. See how that works? I have to give up something to get something.
I have seen immortality in Cyrodiil though. AD has a group of 5-6 necro harbinger tanks that move as a unit, seem to be immune to all stun/cc, have constant aoes around them and crazy amounts of health. You are crying about mist form when there are things out there that are way more broken. For the record a proper block tank build even without harbinger can stay alive a lot longer against a number of players than someone just chilling in mist.......Maybe because they can use something called 'block", which you can use in mist form.
if u use some random your build and do not know how to build it properly its sad case just go to builds we arelrady posted and make copy and then u will see why I am here to call for FIX mist form...0 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭I tried last night to be immortal in mist form.....I died to 4 players while kiting them. I have 30k health, good health recovery and 30k resist unbuffed. Guess Im not immortal after all
I also killed someone in mist form, guess immortality didn't work out for them either.
And yes if I stacked recovery glyphs I would be giving up damage with sweeps and my honor the dead heal would be even crappier than what it is. See how that works? I have to give up something to get something.
I have seen immortality in Cyrodiil though. AD has a group of 5-6 necro harbinger tanks that move as a unit, seem to be immune to all stun/cc, have constant aoes around them and crazy amounts of health. You are crying about mist form when there are things out there that are way more broken. For the record a proper block tank build even without harbinger can stay alive a lot longer against a number of players than someone just chilling in mist.......Maybe because they can use something called 'block", which you can use in mist form.
cry to harbinger while u ust mist form noob build WTF harbinger siplmy canty presure u if u do not attacke them they need go all health so their dmg it like 1000 to your mist form and minir redctui not more than 200 ....0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think you said it but I may have missed it;
But Whats your proposition on changing mist @Joinovikova ?0 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »The mist build you speak of sint that good, yes can stay in mist indefinitely but its still takes alot of dmg very quickly by various skills, and by building to have free mist you lack spell dmg which on a plar mean crap heals and wet noodle damage. Can use procs yea but any decent player isn't dying to zaan and even with WoE it's still very difficult to kill in that short window (cp)
no u have still okay damage with zaan and WoE u are nto even have decent burst .. and zero risk.. heal u do not need heal since u have immortality why heal ..
It isn't "immortality" LOL. It sounds like to me you don't have enough burst in your build. Or if someone is just chilling in mist as you claim they do(which I never really see) just move on. When I see 50k health block tank that's taking no damage from 8-9 people Im definitely not going to go waste my energy on trying to kill it
it is immortality ... u just show to all of us lack of knowledge about the game mechanic and how to build builds.. thats all yoru problem from your point of view and lack of skill it can be like not immortalitrty but for every one who knows how to build it is immortality..0 -
dcmgti✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »The mist build you speak of sint that good, yes can stay in mist indefinitely but its still takes alot of dmg very quickly by various skills, and by building to have free mist you lack spell dmg which on a plar mean crap heals and wet noodle damage. Can use procs yea but any decent player isn't dying to zaan and even with WoE it's still very difficult to kill in that short window (cp)
no u have still okay damage with zaan and WoE u are nto even have decent burst .. and zero risk.. heal u do not need heal since u have immortality why heal ..
It isn't "immortality" LOL. It sounds like to me you don't have enough burst in your build. Or if someone is just chilling in mist as you claim they do(which I never really see) just move on. When I see 50k health block tank that's taking no damage from 8-9 people Im definitely not going to go waste my energy on trying to kill it
it is immortality ... u just show to all of us lack of knowledge about the game mechanic and how to build builds.. thats all yoru problem from your point of view and lack of skill it can be like not immortalitrty but for every one who knows how to build it is immortality..
Wow I present my point of view and you insult me and call me names. You CAN burst someone down in mist form. If I can do it then anyone can do it. You are just being a troll and whining about something that YOU can't kill. "I can't kill it so nerf it". And I wasn't crying about harbinger tanks, I simply stated what I saw. You know what I do when they show up? I ignore them like 90% of good players will do because they just aren't worth the effort.
My build works for me and I can kill someone in mist which apparently you can't do.1 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »Joinovikova wrote: »The mist build you speak of sint that good, yes can stay in mist indefinitely but its still takes alot of dmg very quickly by various skills, and by building to have free mist you lack spell dmg which on a plar mean crap heals and wet noodle damage. Can use procs yea but any decent player isn't dying to zaan and even with WoE it's still very difficult to kill in that short window (cp)
no u have still okay damage with zaan and WoE u are nto even have decent burst .. and zero risk.. heal u do not need heal since u have immortality why heal ..
It isn't "immortality" LOL. It sounds like to me you don't have enough burst in your build. Or if someone is just chilling in mist as you claim they do(which I never really see) just move on. When I see 50k health block tank that's taking no damage from 8-9 people Im definitely not going to go waste my energy on trying to kill it
it is immortality ... u just show to all of us lack of knowledge about the game mechanic and how to build builds.. thats all yoru problem from your point of view and lack of skill it can be like not immortalitrty but for every one who knows how to build it is immortality..
Wow I present my point of view and you insult me and call me names. You CAN burst someone down in mist form. If I can do it then anyone can do it. You are just being a troll and whining about something that YOU can't kill. "I can't kill it so nerf it". And I wasn't crying about harbinger tanks, I simply stated what I saw. You know what I do when they show up? I ignore them like 90% of good players will do because they just aren't worth the effort.
My build works for me and I can kill someone in mist which apparently you can't do.
L2P u can play this stupidty and have most dmg in bg since u can keep offence and if some one go to tu u just go mist its supeer stupidityt and ened to be fixed it is not fun..no one can bust mist form on proper build u need volemburg to out damage 4x times of 4k healt regen it mean u need to keep 8kdps in non CP on player in really long team omg.. if u know how to build this so nothuign problem for u 50k healt harbigers will be smashed 35k stamden wuill be smashed ...1 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I think you said it but I may have missed it;
But Whats your proposition on changing mist @Joinovikova ?
I see few options
1. remove also health regen while in mist form so u can have 75% redctuon at zero cost but there will be no sourceof healing so u cant out regen damage
2. Better form my poit of view to change cost to 4k mag and not tick every 1s but every 4s so it wil not hit players who use mist form but not will be possible to have it at super low or free cost...
3. best revert the ability like it was before ti was strong before i do not understand why they change it like this0 -
Syiccal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Joinovikova wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I think you said it but I may have missed it;
But Whats your proposition on changing mist @Joinovikova ?
I see few options
1. remove also health regen while in mist form so u can have 75% redctuon at zero cost but there will be no sourceof healing so u cant out regen damage
2. Better form my poit of view to change cost to 4k mag and not tick every 1s but every 4s so it wil not hit players who use mist form but not will be possible to have it at super low or free cost...
3. best revert the ability like it was before ti was strong before i do not understand why they change it like this
As I've said to get mist to the point of being free you need cost reduction glyphs and stage 3 at which point you have no health regen even with health gen set ups it be less than 1500.2 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I think you said it but I may have missed it;
But Whats your proposition on changing mist @Joinovikova ?
I see few options
1. remove also health regen while in mist form so u can have 75% redctuon at zero cost but there will be no sourceof healing so u cant out regen damage
2. Better form my poit of view to change cost to 4k mag and not tick every 1s but every 4s so it wil not hit players who use mist form but not will be possible to have it at super low or free cost...
3. best revert the ability like it was before ti was strong before i do not understand why they change it like this
As I've said to get mist to the point of being free you need cost reduction glyphs and stage 3 at which point you have no health regen even with health gen set ups it be less than 1500.
check this
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=304323..
u can also repalce thsi by Alessian Order https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=305815
there are many optiosn how to make it .0 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I think you said it but I may have missed it;
But Whats your proposition on changing mist @Joinovikova ?
I see few options
1. remove also health regen while in mist form so u can have 75% redctuon at zero cost but there will be no sourceof healing so u cant out regen damage
2. Better form my poit of view to change cost to 4k mag and not tick every 1s but every 4s so it wil not hit players who use mist form but not will be possible to have it at super low or free cost...
3. best revert the ability like it was before ti was strong before i do not understand why they change it like this
As I've said to get mist to the point of being free you need cost reduction glyphs and stage 3 at which point you have no health regen even with health gen set ups it be less than 1500.
i u do not need u need stage 1 and active rune u will actualy gain magica while mist..1 -
Syiccal✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've put a build using eternal vigor, troll king, pots etc and was only at about 1500 in stage 3, not enough to keep you alive as mentioned.1 -
VampireLordLover99✭✭✭✭Countless people have been banned or kicked due to disagreements and 'baiting' on vampire rework threads.
Yet this guy's thread is still up and kicking and he's allowed to spam reply insults to people for disagreeing.
Any reason for that @ZOS_ConnorG @ZOS_AntonioP?1 -
VampireLordLover99✭✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I think you said it but I may have missed it;
But Whats your proposition on changing mist @Joinovikova ?
I see few options
1. remove also health regen while in mist form so u can have 75% redctuon at zero cost but there will be no sourceof healing so u cant out regen damage
2. Better form my poit of view to change cost to 4k mag and not tick every 1s but every 4s so it wil not hit players who use mist form but not will be possible to have it at super low or free cost...
3. best revert the ability like it was before ti was strong before i do not understand why they change it like this
1. You already cant out heal recent damage. The max health recovery is around 1500 or so on a chonky tank. It doesnt go above 2k. If you cant deal more than 1500 damage every natural health regen tick then that's not mist form's problem. Not to mention they cannot kill you whilst in mist form either.
2. Will never happen. But honestly not that bad of a change, I just think expecting them to nerf or change this ability in this manner will not happen.
3. Will also never happen, ability is fine as is and you're one of the only ones with an issue regarding it. They aren't going to change an ability because a few people on the forums think it is busted. If you had a lot of people in agreeance with you, different story. But the community decision is quite clear from this thread.
If anything, the ability needs buffs. Not morphs. Make Elusive Mist able to be sprinted in or also grant minor expedition so that it'll be faster than sprinting. Make Blood Mist's visuals be a bat swarm instead and grant either a gap closer in some manner or simply up the drain damage to be an actual ability. Should have a base damage of like, 6k at least.
Nerfing vampire is NOT the way to go about this. The skill line mist form is a part of is genuinely one of the worst skill lines in the entire game right now, nerfing what little viability they have would be a horrible mistake.Edited by VampireLordLover99 on January 7, 2021 8:56PM2 -
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