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When u fix mist form?
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dcmgti✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »I don't feel like mist form is broken at all, it gives my magplar a chance to get out of certain death sometimes. I do definitely die in mist form sometimes too. But if I was to stack cost reduction glyphs to make it cheaper then I would be giving up damage and healing. Also just having vampire to begin with already hits in the sustain department for every other skill. Just because someone can go from one flag in a small area in mist form doesn't mean its broken. There's also no way to know that person's resource pool when they get there.
On classes that don't have good ways to kite in their class toolkit mist form can be a great tool.
There are sorcs that can spam streak over and over when cc break barely works, or doesn't work. Mist form is just that chance to possibly escape, stay alive and recover/rebuff.
no u do not need to give up large offensive power just few % u can stack proc sets so your damage is crazy...
stage 1 vamp u mean 3% on ability cost .. ? or 5% on dmg ? or 20% damage on fighters abilities??
yy magplar is biggest stupidity.. thanks to Channeled Focus .. its like have gm cheat on ..since mist is for not even free u can acctualy gain magica in mist..
there is to opitons u do not know how to exploit it.. or.. u defend this so obviously broken stupidty biggest from relaase, which start to destroy this game.. soon all players who stay in this game will be force to use such broken set ups and then yy bg qeeu time will be 1 day and pvp kill count will be in dead match 0 :0 :0..
I still don't understand this huge grudge against mist form and magplar. Were you picked on by a vamplar in pvp? Mist form magplar is FAR from the the most broken things in pvp. You are crying for nerfs to the only good thing that comes from vamp skill line and sounds like you are mad at channeled focus too. I promise it is NOT god mode as you suggest, I've been killed in mist form plenty of times. I also see others die in mist form. Since its such a big issue then find a way to counter it. I don't know what class you play but maybe try mist form for yourself if its as OP as you say it is.4 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »I don't feel like mist form is broken at all, it gives my magplar a chance to get out of certain death sometimes. I do definitely die in mist form sometimes too. But if I was to stack cost reduction glyphs to make it cheaper then I would be giving up damage and healing. Also just having vampire to begin with already hits in the sustain department for every other skill. Just because someone can go from one flag in a small area in mist form doesn't mean its broken. There's also no way to know that person's resource pool when they get there.
On classes that don't have good ways to kite in their class toolkit mist form can be a great tool.
There are sorcs that can spam streak over and over when cc break barely works, or doesn't work. Mist form is just that chance to possibly escape, stay alive and recover/rebuff.
no u do not need to give up large offensive power just few % u can stack proc sets so your damage is crazy...
stage 1 vamp u mean 3% on ability cost .. ? or 5% on dmg ? or 20% damage on fighters abilities??
yy magplar is biggest stupidity.. thanks to Channeled Focus .. its like have gm cheat on ..since mist is for not even free u can acctualy gain magica in mist..
there is to opitons u do not know how to exploit it.. or.. u defend this so obviously broken stupidty biggest from relaase, which start to destroy this game.. soon all players who stay in this game will be force to use such broken set ups and then yy bg qeeu time will be 1 day and pvp kill count will be in dead match 0 :0 :0..
I still don't understand this huge grudge against mist form and magplar. Were you picked on by a vamplar in pvp? Mist form magplar is FAR from the the most broken things in pvp. You are crying for nerfs to the only good thing that comes from vamp skill line and sounds like you are mad at channeled focus too. I promise it is NOT god mode as you suggest, I've been killed in mist form plenty of times. I also see others die in mist form. Since its such a big issue then find a way to counter it. I don't know what class you play but maybe try mist form for yourself if its as OP as you say it is.
U just do not need how to exploit it .. i have all clases And this is not about magplar only magplar crying here like babies do not nerf our god mode... there is no counterplay.. i try it And its *** op wtf not even sorc in 2016 was si much broken.. but magplar have most crying comunnity same like paladins in wow do not knwo why knight always cry to much even in case they are on the top or near to the topo pvp classs...Edited by Joinovikova on January 6, 2021 5:52PM0 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »I don't feel like mist form is broken at all, it gives my magplar a chance to get out of certain death sometimes. I do definitely die in mist form sometimes too. But if I was to stack cost reduction glyphs to make it cheaper then I would be giving up damage and healing. Also just having vampire to begin with already hits in the sustain department for every other skill. Just because someone can go from one flag in a small area in mist form doesn't mean its broken. There's also no way to know that person's resource pool when they get there.
On classes that don't have good ways to kite in their class toolkit mist form can be a great tool.
There are sorcs that can spam streak over and over when cc break barely works, or doesn't work. Mist form is just that chance to possibly escape, stay alive and recover/rebuff.
no u do not need to give up large offensive power just few % u can stack proc sets so your damage is crazy...
stage 1 vamp u mean 3% on ability cost .. ? or 5% on dmg ? or 20% damage on fighters abilities??
yy magplar is biggest stupidity.. thanks to Channeled Focus .. its like have gm cheat on ..since mist is for not even free u can acctualy gain magica in mist..
there is to opitons u do not know how to exploit it.. or.. u defend this so obviously broken stupidty biggest from relaase, which start to destroy this game.. soon all players who stay in this game will be force to use such broken set ups and then yy bg qeeu time will be 1 day and pvp kill count will be in dead match 0 :0 :0..
I still don't understand this huge grudge against mist form and magplar. Were you picked on by a vamplar in pvp? Mist form magplar is FAR from the the most broken things in pvp. You are crying for nerfs to the only good thing that comes from vamp skill line and sounds like you are mad at channeled focus too. I promise it is NOT god mode as you suggest, I've been killed in mist form plenty of times. I also see others die in mist form. Since its such a big issue then find a way to counter it. I don't know what class you play but maybe try mist form for yourself if its as OP as you say it is.
and again if f.e. mist form will be NOT affected by cost reduction and cost 1K magica/s in ALLn cases it is not problem or at leat cost f.e. 4k magica to eneter and thenn every 4s cost another 4kmagica so it will not by able to explpoit by cost redution and it will have reasonable cost..(idealy they shoudl revert ti to 4s and give it resoanble cost corespodign with wards why not but currenly u can simply exploit masively . and have it for free not only free u can actualy gain magica while sheilded by 75% redcution immunte tu snare imune to stuns.. but it not case onle magplar also magden can have it nearly for free. for few magica points .. thats is the problem... which simply need fix.. this is problem.. every one who defend this simoly lack of knowledge or its total....***** ...0 -
dcmgti✭✭✭I'm not crying about it. I'm not the one who made a thread calling to nerf it because its an "exploit". Which it is not. Like I said before, "IF" I stacked cost reduction glyphs to make abilities cost less then I have to give up something else. Most notably spell damage. Giving up damage to get sustain is NOT an exploit. Magplar isn't even close to the top of the pvp chart btw.
And if by some chance you play a goliath necro, arctic blast spamming 40k health warden or a streak sorc then crying about a magplar with mist form then is a learn to play issue. A malacath powered DB to my face while in mist form will just dang near kill me from full health, followed up by an executioner its lights out. That's a counter, that's also counter of choice when I play on my stam toons. Silver shards also hit me exceptionally hard.
I am defending mist form because it is being called an exploit. As I stated above it is not. Out of ALL the broken things in pvp why does mist form bother you so much? Try it yourself, you'll see against good players it is not "god mode", but it may give you a chance to survive enough to kite and recover.
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Afterip✭✭✭Oh, so that's why I see so many templars on every bg. Because you said they were OP or close to the top.
However, for some reason, many of them use beetles with and icy wind, others are covered with hair and like to run on four legs and everyone use something, that do alot of damage without any resource cost...2 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭I'm not crying about it. I'm not the one who made a thread calling to nerf it because its an "exploit". Which it is not. Like I said before, "IF" I stacked cost reduction glyphs to make abilities cost less then I have to give up something else. Most notably spell damage. Giving up damage to get sustain is NOT an exploit. Magplar isn't even close to the top of the pvp chart btw.
And if by some chance you play a goliath necro, arctic blast spamming 40k health warden or a streak sorc then crying about a magplar with mist form then is a learn to play issue. A malacath powered DB to my face while in mist form will just dang near kill me from full health, followed up by an executioner its lights out. That's a counter, that's also counter of choice when I play on my stam toons. Silver shards also hit me exceptionally hard.
I am defending mist form because it is being called an exploit. As I stated above it is not. Out of ALL the broken things in pvp why does mist form bother you so much? Try it yourself, you'll see against good players it is not "god mode", but it may give you a chance to survive enough to kite and recover.
yes u crying.. try to defend your exploit wich provides u god mode.. toggle on imortality for free ... I understand try to defend this stupidity seems u do not able to play without this exploit.. nothing is broken so much like current mist form exploit in pvp not nothing was even near broken in pvp since release of this game... have 75% reduction immunity to snare immunity to stun with stack heal recovery...1 -
dcmgti✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »I'm not crying about it. I'm not the one who made a thread calling to nerf it because its an "exploit". Which it is not. Like I said before, "IF" I stacked cost reduction glyphs to make abilities cost less then I have to give up something else. Most notably spell damage. Giving up damage to get sustain is NOT an exploit. Magplar isn't even close to the top of the pvp chart btw.
And if by some chance you play a goliath necro, arctic blast spamming 40k health warden or a streak sorc then crying about a magplar with mist form then is a learn to play issue. A malacath powered DB to my face while in mist form will just dang near kill me from full health, followed up by an executioner its lights out. That's a counter, that's also counter of choice when I play on my stam toons. Silver shards also hit me exceptionally hard.
I am defending mist form because it is being called an exploit. As I stated above it is not. Out of ALL the broken things in pvp why does mist form bother you so much? Try it yourself, you'll see against good players it is not "god mode", but it may give you a chance to survive enough to kite and recover.
yes u crying.. try to defend your exploit wich provides u god mode.. toggle on imortality for free ... I understand try to defend this stupidity seems u do not able to play without this exploit.. nothing is broken so much like current mist form exploit in pvp not nothing was even near broken in pvp since release of this game... have 75% reduction immunity to snare immunity to stun with stack heal recovery...
Fairly certain I'm not the one that made a thread begging ZOS to fix an exploit that is NOT an exploit or nerf mist form so that nobody will want to use it. I play on several toons, only one has mist form btw. But maybe I should make my stam toons vamp so they can be immortal too.
In fact maybe they buff mist form to where I can actually do damage while in mist. You know like warden ult, goliath, corrosive, ww or vamp ult. Or if I could stay in vamp ult forever like ww. I think I need to send a feedback ticket to ZOS asking for these things. Lol
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Joinovikova✭✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »I'm not crying about it. I'm not the one who made a thread calling to nerf it because its an "exploit". Which it is not. Like I said before, "IF" I stacked cost reduction glyphs to make abilities cost less then I have to give up something else. Most notably spell damage. Giving up damage to get sustain is NOT an exploit. Magplar isn't even close to the top of the pvp chart btw.
And if by some chance you play a goliath necro, arctic blast spamming 40k health warden or a streak sorc then crying about a magplar with mist form then is a learn to play issue. A malacath powered DB to my face while in mist form will just dang near kill me from full health, followed up by an executioner its lights out. That's a counter, that's also counter of choice when I play on my stam toons. Silver shards also hit me exceptionally hard.
I am defending mist form because it is being called an exploit. As I stated above it is not. Out of ALL the broken things in pvp why does mist form bother you so much? Try it yourself, you'll see against good players it is not "god mode", but it may give you a chance to survive enough to kite and recover.
yes u crying.. try to defend your exploit wich provides u god mode.. toggle on imortality for free ... I understand try to defend this stupidity seems u do not able to play without this exploit.. nothing is broken so much like current mist form exploit in pvp not nothing was even near broken in pvp since release of this game... have 75% reduction immunity to snare immunity to stun with stack heal recovery...
Fairly certain I'm not the one that made a thread begging ZOS to fix an exploit that is NOT an exploit or nerf mist form so that nobody will want to use it. I play on several toons, only one has mist form btw. But maybe I should make my stam toons vamp so they can be immortal too.
In fact maybe they buff mist form to where I can actually do damage while in mist. You know like warden ult, goliath, corrosive, ww or vamp ult. Or if I could stay in vamp ult forever like ww. I think I need to send a feedback ticket to ZOS asking for these things. Lol
it is exploit.. find definition of exploit or you really think it was intended by ZOS to give u toggle immortality for free? I dont think so.. so IT IS EXPLOIT [/ then u just start with personal attack bring no arguments why this ability shoudl be for free on build with masive damage potential and 4k health regen in non CP only u just begging here to try please do not fix this exploit I need it to play pvp .. and when u do not have any arguments u try to say mist form is broken but seee there are other broken things... so keeep my explpit please and then point out WW yes WW heal scale heal is broken and u can find I also fight agains it in other topcis then bring other broken things.. but nothing is comparable to toggle on immoratality for free, but I feel your fear and wories "what i will do if they take immortality toggle on for free from my build or they will put some reasonavble cost on it I will not be immortal and I will get sometime kill.."1 -
Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It’s not an exploit, it’s not god mode, it’s not free, and it’s not immortality. If you want zos to take your nerf thread seriously then at least provide 1 true talking point.
PS And no I don’t use mist form
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dcmgti✭✭✭I have provided my talking points. You have not. I'm positive that ZOS devs know that cost reduction glyphs exist.2
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✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »
4 years ago when I played magplar. So basically your only argument is to be rude and troll people because you struggle against something and instead of learning to play you want the game changed to suit you and insult anyone who disagrees with your rants
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dcmgti✭✭✭I absolutely promise that someone can be killed in mist form, I see it everyday. And it happens to players much better than I am. In all reality a lot of times it won't even activate in cyrodiil lol.
Again to get that cost reduction down, you have to give up something else. Giving up damage and healing for sustain is not an exploit lol.2 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »
4 years ago when I played magplar. So basically your only argument is to be rude and troll people because you struggle against something and instead of learning to play you want the game changed to suit you and insult anyone who disagrees with your rants
only rude people here is magplar players who fear to lose their immortality toggle on button.. I just answer in same approach
, My arguments are clear.. Why mist form is for free on same case or at technicaly free .. even it cost 185/s magica is technicali free it .. I did not mention magplars they can make it totaly broken thanks to rune and can have it for free.. but this is general why mist form has so stupid low cost and can be masive recude but infused reduce cost rings.. they need fix this there are plenty of solution to as I mentioned before to remove magice f.e. every 3s or 4s like u have skil 4k so enter to mist form and stay there for 4s and every 4 s it will take 4k ( so avarge cost will be same) so it will not be posible to have it for free and it will be balanced with previosu version and cost of wards.. it will not hit people who do not play expolited build and just use mist form on standard build I do not call for nerf but for fix since I will be satisfied when avarage cost stay same but cant be put to zero or even more on some setups, because it is not fun to play when some one stack proc sets crismson(alesia , or other heavy sets wuth regen), wraht of elements, zaan malacath and fight only when zaan proc and then hide in mist form with high health recovery. basicaly when he/she start lossing they have toggle immortality on since the reduction from mistfrom minor protection (f.e from tempral guardian) and heavy armo provide stupid amount of reduction it is okay for limited period of time but on some current set ups u can have it for 24/7 and also recover your magica so u have full its like play agins tgm cheat on u cant win and its boring u can win agisn WW u can win agins stam tank but this exploit ??? oblvion damage is extemly limited even with sload u ussualy cant outdamaged health recovery negate is extremly costly and it onyl for few second so it only works when u zerg dow mist form spam..u cant also damage mist form since u need to keep resources to answer zaan and WoE CD counter attack wich provide solid burs alone and even u do not have full offensive stats still have more offensive stats then stam tanks.. so u have masive burst and ability to negate and out recovery every dmg. . really like when poople do not have arguments try to start personal attack and say somethig about learning even in case when learnign is on their side since every one who just defent mist form in this topic is not aware about how to explouit it.. or show me how u will kill solo thsi build in non CP https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=304323..
how u wil out damage that recovery..3 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭I have provided my talking points. You have not. I'm positive that ZOS devs know that cost reduction glyphs exist.
from my poitn of view they just missed this since they say okay we have skill make it toggle on acctualy why not then they just keeep oroginal cost and recalculate it to cost/s but they did not calcualte what happned with cost reduce skills and netch and templar rune that is I do not call for nerf. I call for fix
there are many ways
I see two
remove also healt recovey and any other external heal while mist form okay then can be for free since
or recalculate cost liek
enter 4k mag and then every 4 s it will take 4k mag.. it will not hit mist form users.. but remove option to have it for free and on magplar get magice while in mist form..2 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭I absolutely promise that someone can be killed in mist form, I see it everyday. And it happens to players much better than I am. In all reality a lot of times it won't even activate in cyrodiil lol.
Again to get that cost reduction down, you have to give up something else. Giving up damage and healing for sustain is not an exploit lol.
u do not need to give up much few pecent of damage m but since u can stack proc sets with malacath u still have masive burst and have immirtality button.. its super win solution .. u can fight only when zann an WoE procc where u have masive damage anyway .. even u do not have max offensie stats.. and when it fail u can hide your self in immortality button with stack of health.. so u cant lose.. and it simoly do not fair do nto fun and exploit like this must be adresed..
if u cant situation when 20-30 peole run down mist form spam at keep okay u can kill mist form spam when u have another 20 zerg players but.. WTF its is not healthy and not even WW or even goulat stam dk can perform even near to this sicne they can be stunned snareded and bursted down.. i do not say WW or stam tanks is okay and its balanced but current verion of mist form in combinaton witb proc sets is game breaking..2 -
dcmgti✭✭✭No you are calling for a nerf. That isn't fix lol. Nobody would use it. Just like the rest of the vamp line. There are also downsides to even being a vamp. Im sorry that you couldnt burst someone down or couldn't catch them in mist. That should be when you change you priority to another target.
I know that zos can be zos on some things. But you really think the devs just "forgot" that cost reduction glyphs exist? LOL
I dont even see very many mist form users because not many people want to be vamp in the first place.2 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭No you are calling for a nerf. That isn't fix lol. Nobody would use it. Just like the rest of the vamp line. There are also downsides to even being a vamp. Im sorry that you couldnt burst someone down or couldn't catch them in mist. That should be when you change you priority to another target.
I know that zos can be zos on some things. But you really think the devs just "forgot" that cost reduction glyphs exist? LOL
I dont even see very many mist form users because not many people want to be vamp in the first place.
no i call for fix check the name of the topic.. nerf is " I think 75% iks to much let put it donw to 60" this is nerf.. I do not say they shoudl change avrage cost of th eskill but make it more resonable and tick every 4s not every 1s so . its depent on mmr and what u play if u play on zerg in cyro then yy u will not meet them so much possily when u try solo .. 80% of players use ths.. since is super easy to have super strong and requie zero skill and u can leave fight when thing go wrong not even stam sorc can do it so effectively ... in bg it based on mmr but at hgh mmr there are ussualy 1 or 2 them but it incerase i fear soo will be like 50% and bg will be unolabel even now high mmr death match after 15 mins with few kills on all side and this will make things like one kill will resolve bg and then every oen will stay in mist forms.. jesus horror..
stage 1 vam brings u what 3% cost incerase on abliites, 5% to fire damage.. and 20% from fighter guilds where mostly peole just use ultimate and some sniper use spamable but snipe buidl for mist form is no threath at all.. >D run mist form.. no threat in all even if u meet several of them..2 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭No you are calling for a nerf. That isn't fix lol. Nobody would use it. Just like the rest of the vamp line. There are also downsides to even being a vamp. Im sorry that you couldnt burst someone down or couldn't catch them in mist. That should be when you change you priority to another target.
I know that zos can be zos on some things. But you really think the devs just "forgot" that cost reduction glyphs exist? LOL
I dont even see very many mist form users because not many people want to be vamp in the first place.
and much peple use scyon is super stong ultimate so people play vampires for sure more then WW..2 -
dcmgti✭✭✭Cool, well I'll let you continue you rant about mist form. Good luck with it. I provided my point of view3
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✭✭✭✭✭People do not seem to understand, that there are certain builds that do turn mistform into godmode.
Of course you can die in mistform when you do not have the mentioned high health recovery setups. But if you do... it takes a zerg and you popping out of mistform. You can not die in it unless you mess up somehow.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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✭✭✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »
scroll up.. to buidls where it is FREE
We got it cheap and almost free, but to make it truly "free" we'd need to leave mistform to cast those abilities to continue making it free.
Mistform obeys the global cool down so in order to cast the Blue Netch for instance your oppoents have a 2 second window to stun you and [snip] you up.Edited by Vevvev on January 6, 2021 11:25PMPC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK3 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭Joinovikova wrote: »
scroll up.. to buidls where it is FREE
We got it cheap and almost free, but to make it truly "free" we'd need to leave mistform to cast those abilities to continue making it free.
Mistform obeys the global cool down so in order to cast the Blue Netch for instance your oppoents have a 2 second window to stun you and [snip] you up.
...cast instatnt cast in both cases.. so basicaly every 25s u need to recast neth or 17s in case of rune so u can toggle off your god mode use this intant cast dodge roll and go back.. or just stay longer and deal with super cheap 185 magica/s so u can have nearly another 22 s in mist form to compare to price of single ward (without reduction) or 18s if u use ward on same build.. ...
so if u go at half of magica u have another 75s so basicaly 100s if u also cout magica gain) sheilded by mist form minor reduction and heav armorm resistance to find postiion to recast your rune or use just toggle off use potion and toggle on..
at least at non CP is not even posible to instatn kill heavy armor build with 27k healt 1900health regeneration or 4k+ regeneration when some one put him under 60% of health with full stamina so break free dodge roll >D and back to mist form.. lol really balanced game.. but the problem is u can have this immortality while keep masive burst potentail .. proc sestr malacatsh and even your claass have decent spell power to hit hard with abilities and its porvlem u have free immortatlity and u can only fight when zaan WoE is active and once enemy break it or survive or die u can just go back to your immortaliy and wait for cd to another masive strike..WW or eny stam tank cant be even closeto your deffense potentil and do not have comparable offensive power..
f.e. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=305528 show me how u will kill it and have just time to instant recast rune and strun break potion go back >D and u cant kill even in case u will hit it by all in NB gang build u will failed.. ( and this is main reason why i am here.. like have good strike on mist form spamm burst him to 30-40% of HP and then see liek he go to mist form where he/she easily out regen your damage destipte case u play all in build and then counter strike u wituh zaann WoE even u managed to escape noob spameer just go back to mist form . really fun to play..
in reallity this exploit is so stupid op u can simply tank and out heal even several players.. only real case when u can kill this is when u have 20+ players who just kill it or 3-4 sorc who will coordinate use their negates..
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✭The mist build you speak of sint that good, yes can stay in mist indefinitely but its still takes alot of dmg very quickly by various skills, and by building to have free mist you lack spell dmg which on a plar mean crap heals and wet noodle damage. Can use procs yea but any decent player isn't dying to zaan and even with WoE it's still very difficult to kill in that short window (cp)2 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭The mist build you speak of sint that good, yes can stay in mist indefinitely but its still takes alot of dmg very quickly by various skills, and by building to have free mist you lack spell dmg which on a plar mean crap heals and wet noodle damage. Can use procs yea but any decent player isn't dying to zaan and even with WoE it's still very difficult to kill in that short window (cp)
no u have still okay damage with zaan and WoE u are nto even have decent burst .. and zero risk.. heal u do not need heal since u have immortality why heal ..1
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