Is stam sorc that bad?

Ryuvain

Feels like no matter what abilities I use, nothing really stacks up to the amazing tier spammables that other classes use. Am I missing something? Crystal weapon feels useless most the time and is clunky as well.

I can just look at other classes and see what they do much better and more in comparison. Any tips?

sharquez

Learn to take advantage of the power in crystal weapon and you can slap people around quite well, it works on light medium and heavy attacks so keeping that in mind it pairs well with things like Vateshrans 2h or poisonous serpent.

IneedaDollar

If you are talking about PvE Stamsorc is actually performing well atm.
The crystal spammable isn't that great to use but is mostly used for the extra penetration as a group buff.
Stamsorc doesn't realy have to use its one spammable but can use all the spammables from the weapon skill lines or the psijic one instead.
2h/dw, dw/dw, dw/bow, 2h/bow and bow/bow are all viable weapon choices for Stamsorc atm.
If you need ideas just watch some parses on YouTube and adjust the build or rotation to your needs.
Skinny Cheeks, Liko and Rosskag are all good sources.

relentless_turnip

My favourite class to play in PvP, if that's where your issue is I can send you my current build if you think it will help? I don't play proc builds...

And by the way I love crystal weapon weave it with your spammable and it hits like a truck. Master dw and hitting crystal-light attack - rending hits very hard on a stat build.

Nestor

Every build is viable if you gear correctly, and have a decent rotation. And, play to your personal strengths, not some streamers.

Dracane

Stamsorcerer is very much meta in pvp at the moment. There are so plenty of them and they are formidable.
At least in no cp and battlegrounds. Can not comment on cp.

Solariken

Crystal weapon + Vateshran + any other proc into Dawnbreaker makes you an absolute wrecking ball in PvP.

Ryuvain

Dracane wrote: »

Stamsorcerer is very much meta in pvp at the moment. There are so plenty of them and they are formidable.
At least in no cp and battlegrounds. Can not comment on cp.

I don't see stamsorcs at all. It's all wardens, nightblade, and templars.

Solariken wrote: »

Crystal weapon + Vateshran + any other proc into Dawnbreaker makes you an absolute wrecking ball in PvP.

Haven't looked at vatesh. Hate breaking 5-5-2 sets though.

deleted210809-001958

Crystal weapon doesn't work most of the time in cyro (light attacks doesn't deal any additional damage and weapon stay "buffed" after it). may be this is because of lag, may be because of low distance or may be both. this skill might have good potential in pvp (heal from passive, strong damage and armor reducing).

Ryuvain

Kyatos wrote: »

Crystal weapon doesn't work most of the time in cyro (light attacks doesn't deal any additional damage and weapon stay "buffed" after it). may be this is because of lag, may be because of low distance or may be both. this skill might have good potential in pvp (heal from passive, strong damage and armor reducing).

I could've specified that I meant cyro. Might explain why it doesn't work half the time. Anything that requires setup or cast time has trouble hitting at all. Sorc has a lot of that.

Meanwhile it's close to impossible to fight NB SA or jabs.

Olupajmibanan

PvP view.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I had and have great experience with Master Dual Wield and Rending Slashes as spammable. I have no doubt that standard spammables are better under ideal circumstances, but as was said, cast time, channeled or light attack enhancing spammables often do not work due to server performance issues. The experience with them is great when they work and awful when they doesn't. That's why I have chosen a stable reliable choice. It's not the best in ideal scenarios, but works as intended 100% of the time. Shortly, I have chosen the most reliable spammable that is currently at stock.

Ryuvain

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

PvP view.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I had and have great experience with Master Dual Wield and Rending Slashes as spammable. I have no doubt that standard spammables are better under ideal circumstances, but as was said, cast time, channeled or light attack enhancing spammables often do not work due to server performance issues. The experience with them is great when they work and awful when they doesn't. That's why I have chosen a stable reliable choice. It's not the best in ideal scenarios, but works as intended 100% of the time. Shortly, I have chosen the most reliable spammable that is currently at stock.

I used that for a while until I was told that it's bad as a spammable. I might go back to it since I don't really have other amazing choices. Helps that I'm still using dual wield too.

Completely forgot about that one.

Another question, do people use pets? They're decent but great pvpers delete them or just focus you making them mostly useless. I use clanfear but was thinking that bound armor would be a better passive. Armaments I tried but it felt clunky. Maybe it's passive would be better over armor passive?

Olupajmibanan

Ryuvain wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

PvP view.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I had and have great experience with Master Dual Wield and Rending Slashes as spammable. I have no doubt that standard spammables are better under ideal circumstances, but as was said, cast time, channeled or light attack enhancing spammables often do not work due to server performance issues. The experience with them is great when they work and awful when they doesn't. That's why I have chosen a stable reliable choice. It's not the best in ideal scenarios, but works as intended 100% of the time. Shortly, I have chosen the most reliable spammable that is currently at stock.

I used that for a while until I was told that it's bad as a spammable. I might go back to it since I don't really have other amazing choices. Helps that I'm still using dual wield too.

Completely forgot about that one.

It's bad if you already have Rending Slash on your bar for the DoT. By spamming Rending Slash you lose the dot as it takes 2 second after applying to get the first tick. But if you don't have Rending Slash on your bar yet and what you do is unslot Crystal Wep or any spammable of whatever and replace it with Rending Slashes, then it's definitely not that bad as you might have heard.

Ryuvain

I just use bow backbar as my dots/poke. So I probably wont lose much from it.

relentless_turnip

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=296007

That's my stamsorc build I really like it, it has a lot of incoming healing mainly from damage, but has 2k health recovery if you find yourself on your back bar. I use double dot poisons on the front bar and use health, stam and crit pots. Crit chance is important to survivability and your rate of healing.

I use crystal - rending - rapid strikes until they're in execute range.

Ryuvain

relentless_turnip wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=296007

That's my stamsorc build I really like it, it has a lot of incoming healing mainly from damage, but has 2k health recovery if you find yourself on your back bar. I use double dot poisons on the front bar and use health, stam and crit pots. Crit chance is important to survivability and your rate of healing.

I use crystal - rending - rapid strikes until they're in execute range.

Spotless build. I was looking at spriggans and briarheart, but thought spriggans looked better. You've proven me wrong there.

Very helpful. I'll have to take notes when I get home. Thanks for that.

relentless_turnip

Ryuvain wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=296007

That's my stamsorc build I really like it, it has a lot of incoming healing mainly from damage, but has 2k health recovery if you find yourself on your back bar. I use double dot poisons on the front bar and use health, stam and crit pots. Crit chance is important to survivability and your rate of healing.

I use crystal - rending - rapid strikes until they're in execute range.

Spotless build. I was looking at spriggans and briarheart, but thought spriggans looked better. You've proven me wrong there.

Very helpful. I'll have to take notes when I get home. Thanks for that.

Thanks man, yeah briar, seventh and pale order give you a really good balance of offence and incoming healing. Blade cloak and rapids not to mention the dot from rending keeps that incoming healing very high. Daggers on the back bar ensure most of your heals crit as well as blade cloak. Also blade cloak gives your enchants full up time as it is direct damage they will proc from the front bar and back. So a bow would give you higher damage, but dw with cloak gives you a near 100% uptime on that damage. The charged trait means you get high uptime on minor vulnerability from the shock glyph you could swap this for poison or flame if you'd prefer another dot.

Spriggans would give you more damage than seventh, but you'd have to back bar briar instead and need to wait for a crit before moving to the front. Which isn't the end of the world, but does make it a little trickier and you'll lose the extra passive healing via health recovery from seventh.

Ryuvain

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=296007

That's my stamsorc build I really like it, it has a lot of incoming healing mainly from damage, but has 2k health recovery if you find yourself on your back bar. I use double dot poisons on the front bar and use health, stam and crit pots. Crit chance is important to survivability and your rate of healing.

I use crystal - rending - rapid strikes until they're in execute range.

Spotless build. I was looking at spriggans and briarheart, but thought spriggans looked better. You've proven me wrong there.

Very helpful. I'll have to take notes when I get home. Thanks for that.

Thanks man, yeah briar, seventh and pale order give you a really good balance of offence and incoming healing. Blade cloak and rapids not to mention the dot from rending keeps that incoming healing very high. Daggers on the back bar ensure most of your heals crit as well as blade cloak. Also blade cloak gives your enchants full up time as it is direct damage they will proc from the front bar and back. So a bow would give you higher damage, but dw with cloak gives you a near 100% uptime on that damage. The charged trait means you get high uptime on minor vulnerability from the shock glyph you could swap this for poison or flame if you'd prefer another dot.

Spriggans would give you more damage than seventh, but you'd have to back bar briar instead and need to wait for a crit before moving to the front. Which isn't the end of the world, but does make it a little trickier and you'll lose the extra passive healing via health recovery from seventh.

That's all good to know. I'm trying to better myself at pvp so all this info is priceless.

May have to consider mythical now since I originally didn't like how they break the usual 5-5-2 bonuses. Thinking again on it a lot of monster sets aren't amazing for my build right now so going mythic may be best.

relentless_turnip

Ryuvain wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=296007

That's my stamsorc build I really like it, it has a lot of incoming healing mainly from damage, but has 2k health recovery if you find yourself on your back bar. I use double dot poisons on the front bar and use health, stam and crit pots. Crit chance is important to survivability and your rate of healing.

I use crystal - rending - rapid strikes until they're in execute range.

Spotless build. I was looking at spriggans and briarheart, but thought spriggans looked better. You've proven me wrong there.

Very helpful. I'll have to take notes when I get home. Thanks for that.

Thanks man, yeah briar, seventh and pale order give you a really good balance of offence and incoming healing. Blade cloak and rapids not to mention the dot from rending keeps that incoming healing very high. Daggers on the back bar ensure most of your heals crit as well as blade cloak. Also blade cloak gives your enchants full up time as it is direct damage they will proc from the front bar and back. So a bow would give you higher damage, but dw with cloak gives you a near 100% uptime on that damage. The charged trait means you get high uptime on minor vulnerability from the shock glyph you could swap this for poison or flame if you'd prefer another dot.

Spriggans would give you more damage than seventh, but you'd have to back bar briar instead and need to wait for a crit before moving to the front. Which isn't the end of the world, but does make it a little trickier and you'll lose the extra passive healing via health recovery from seventh.

That's all good to know. I'm trying to better myself at pvp so all this info is priceless.

May have to consider mythical now since I originally didn't like how they break the usual 5-5-2 bonuses. Thinking again on it a lot of monster sets aren't amazing for my build right now so going mythic may be best.

Well if you don't have greymoor or don't want to use the mythic, you could literally just replace the briar shoulder with another piece of bloodspawn and the ring with another briar piece. I don't know if it would be as good, but you'd essentially be replacing healing for mitigation. Which may be better or worse I have no idea 😂

I must warn you though this build works very well for me, but may not for you. With all the options available everyone always thinks they know which is the best build. In truth the answer is very subjective and different for everyone. Though I really hope this helps you out😁 Also PvP took me personally and I think most experience the same a long time to be good at. This is an especially difficult meta to run a stat build.

My advice learn to survive first and foremost. Streak in, do some damage and get out. Duel as often as you can, though it is not where this build shines it is still IMO the best way to learn to PvP. Battlegrounds used to be great for learning to as it scales with your experience, but the meta i.e proc sets is very affluent there.

If you are on PC EU feel free to add me(same name) we have a very tight guild of small-scalers full of experienced PvP players.

Ryuvain

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=296007

That's my stamsorc build I really like it, it has a lot of incoming healing mainly from damage, but has 2k health recovery if you find yourself on your back bar. I use double dot poisons on the front bar and use health, stam and crit pots. Crit chance is important to survivability and your rate of healing.

I use crystal - rending - rapid strikes until they're in execute range.

Spotless build. I was looking at spriggans and briarheart, but thought spriggans looked better. You've proven me wrong there.

Very helpful. I'll have to take notes when I get home. Thanks for that.

Thanks man, yeah briar, seventh and pale order give you a really good balance of offence and incoming healing. Blade cloak and rapids not to mention the dot from rending keeps that incoming healing very high. Daggers on the back bar ensure most of your heals crit as well as blade cloak. Also blade cloak gives your enchants full up time as it is direct damage they will proc from the front bar and back. So a bow would give you higher damage, but dw with cloak gives you a near 100% uptime on that damage. The charged trait means you get high uptime on minor vulnerability from the shock glyph you could swap this for poison or flame if you'd prefer another dot.

Spriggans would give you more damage than seventh, but you'd have to back bar briar instead and need to wait for a crit before moving to the front. Which isn't the end of the world, but does make it a little trickier and you'll lose the extra passive healing via health recovery from seventh.

That's all good to know. I'm trying to better myself at pvp so all this info is priceless.

May have to consider mythical now since I originally didn't like how they break the usual 5-5-2 bonuses. Thinking again on it a lot of monster sets aren't amazing for my build right now so going mythic may be best.

Well if you don't have greymoor or don't want to use the mythic, you could literally just replace the briar shoulder with another piece of bloodspawn and the ring with another briar piece. I don't know if it would be as good, but you'd essentially be replacing healing for mitigation. Which may be better or worse I have no idea 😂

I must warn you though this build works very well for me, but may not for you. With all the options available everyone always thinks they know which is the best build. In truth the answer is very subjective and different for everyone. Though I really hope this helps you out😁 Also PvP took me personally and I think most experience the same a long time to be good at. This is an especially difficult meta to run a stat build.

My advice learn to survive first and foremost. Streak in, do some damage and get out. Duel as often as you can, though it is not where this build shines it is still IMO the best way to learn to PvP. Battlegrounds used to be great for learning to as it scales with your experience, but the meta i.e proc sets is very affluent there.

If you are on PC EU feel free to add me(same name) we have a very tight guild of small-scalers full of experienced PvP players.

Oh I already have pale order and the other mythics I wanted.

Yeah, i wasn't going to copy your build at all, just seeing good options can give me ideas and options for my own build.

And thanks again for all the tips. I'd friend you if I could but I'm sadly PC NA.

relentless_turnip

Ryuvain wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=296007

That's my stamsorc build I really like it, it has a lot of incoming healing mainly from damage, but has 2k health recovery if you find yourself on your back bar. I use double dot poisons on the front bar and use health, stam and crit pots. Crit chance is important to survivability and your rate of healing.

I use crystal - rending - rapid strikes until they're in execute range.

Spotless build. I was looking at spriggans and briarheart, but thought spriggans looked better. You've proven me wrong there.

Very helpful. I'll have to take notes when I get home. Thanks for that.

Thanks man, yeah briar, seventh and pale order give you a really good balance of offence and incoming healing. Blade cloak and rapids not to mention the dot from rending keeps that incoming healing very high. Daggers on the back bar ensure most of your heals crit as well as blade cloak. Also blade cloak gives your enchants full up time as it is direct damage they will proc from the front bar and back. So a bow would give you higher damage, but dw with cloak gives you a near 100% uptime on that damage. The charged trait means you get high uptime on minor vulnerability from the shock glyph you could swap this for poison or flame if you'd prefer another dot.

Spriggans would give you more damage than seventh, but you'd have to back bar briar instead and need to wait for a crit before moving to the front. Which isn't the end of the world, but does make it a little trickier and you'll lose the extra passive healing via health recovery from seventh.

That's all good to know. I'm trying to better myself at pvp so all this info is priceless.

May have to consider mythical now since I originally didn't like how they break the usual 5-5-2 bonuses. Thinking again on it a lot of monster sets aren't amazing for my build right now so going mythic may be best.

Well if you don't have greymoor or don't want to use the mythic, you could literally just replace the briar shoulder with another piece of bloodspawn and the ring with another briar piece. I don't know if it would be as good, but you'd essentially be replacing healing for mitigation. Which may be better or worse I have no idea 😂

I must warn you though this build works very well for me, but may not for you. With all the options available everyone always thinks they know which is the best build. In truth the answer is very subjective and different for everyone. Though I really hope this helps you out😁 Also PvP took me personally and I think most experience the same a long time to be good at. This is an especially difficult meta to run a stat build.

My advice learn to survive first and foremost. Streak in, do some damage and get out. Duel as often as you can, though it is not where this build shines it is still IMO the best way to learn to PvP. Battlegrounds used to be great for learning to as it scales with your experience, but the meta i.e proc sets is very affluent there.

If you are on PC EU feel free to add me(same name) we have a very tight guild of small-scalers full of experienced PvP players.

Oh I already have pale order and the other mythics I wanted.

Yeah, i wasn't going to copy your build at all, just seeing good options can give me ideas and options for my own build.

And thanks again for all the tips. If friend you if I could but I'm sadly PC NA.

Well good luck all the same man 👍😁

TwinLamps

Not sure what great class spammable sDK has, for example

Rowjoh

Stamsorc for PVE normal/vet solo arenas and trials is awesome.

High damage, fast, tanky and almost infinite sustain

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EXNF4MXFK7Y&t=774s

Ryuvain

TwinLamps wrote: »

Not sure what great class spammable sDK has, for example

Mostly meant the most abundant classes; Nb, Templar, and dswing.

katorga

Kyatos wrote: »

Crystal weapon doesn't work most of the time in cyro (light attacks doesn't deal any additional damage and weapon stay "buffed" after it). may be this is because of lag, may be because of low distance or may be both. this skill might have good potential in pvp (heal from passive, strong damage and armor reducing).

This. Crystal is not very lag friendly.

And it just has a janky animation.

ThePedge

In noCP especially it's one of the easiest classes to play. If not the easiest.

Heavy Armour, SnB, Ball of Lightning and you're pretty much invincible.

Ryuvain

katorga wrote: »

Kyatos wrote: »

Crystal weapon doesn't work most of the time in cyro (light attacks doesn't deal any additional damage and weapon stay "buffed" after it). may be this is because of lag, may be because of low distance or may be both. this skill might have good potential in pvp (heal from passive, strong damage and armor reducing).

This. Crystal is not very lag friendly.

And it just has a janky animation.

Add in enemy players moving around and it's so unreliable that I can't slot it at all.

ThePedge wrote: »

In noCP especially it's one of the easiest classes to play. If not the easiest.

Heavy Armour, SnB, Ball of Lightning and you're pretty much invincible.

Think the easiest goes to templar tbh. Never tried ball of lightning since pvp tends to be filled with gapclosing stam classes.

Zski

Stamsorc currently has access to Draugrkin+Flurry, which hits like a stamplar's pvp dream and gives you plenty of tries for crits to proc Surge. Probably pair it with a tanky set backbar and maybe torch, or eschew mythics and jam with a tanky set and Masters SnB on the back.

Ball Lightning is busted. Literally sometimes, but when it works correctly its huge. Stamsorc feels pretty good at the moment, you're just still a vessel for your weapon line like always and cant just AFK on malacath like most other classes.

Mitaka211

From what i have seen , stamsorcs and stamdks have almost everything they need ....except a good spamable. So a lot of them are pretty much locked to using weapon spamables. Stamsorcs have great mobility and are hard to catch even in a closed enviorment like a bg (at times it feels even impossible). If you build your character to be more of a bruiser (you don't even need good dungeon or trial sets for that), you can do really well with it. You are not going to perform as a stam necro or stam warden, who simply don't have a reason to run around or disengage but you would do better.

Keep in mind that this game has a tendency of making you feel really strong in some situations and useless in other. If you come across any players using proc sets in combination with the mythic rings , you are not killing them with normal sets, it's just how it is. The problem right now is that , these sets in combination with rings, alow players to be tanky, heal a lot and do damage at the same time. The majority of players don't use them though , i will probably run across a fully geared proc set player like once a day.

When it comes to no cp, i feel stasorcs thrive there and can easily carry any objective based bg, your spamable may not be great but your other tools bump you up abouve other stam classes in certain situations. But as some people said, you are not a afk class that does all the work for you , you actually have to play and be very conscious of what you are doing. I am pretty sure a stam warden can sit on one capture point in domination , guard a relic and simply play with one hand while drinking his coffee without dying lol. All the original classes have to actually move around , disengage , reset fights , you know the basic pvp stuff.

PhoenixGrey

Stam sorcs do not have tankiness of stam warden/ Necro/ dk or the damage of a stam blade. Pretty much a bottom tier stam pvp class except they can run around real fast like headless chickens mag sorcs

katorga

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Stam sorcs do not have tankiness of stam warden/ Necro/ dk or the damage of a stam blade. Pretty much a bottom tier stam pvp class except they can run around real fast like headless chickens mag sorcs

Ironically, I prefer sorc over necro right now. Necro mechanics can be an exercise in frustration with server performance as it is. I preferred Necro during MYM when performance was better.