Year of Performance and How to Cancel ESO+

eovogtb16_ESO

I mean they have.

They make promises about performance and fixing bugs, and say they have fixed the bugs, when obviously they haven't or we wouldn't be in this debacle would we?

Muzza45

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Muzza45 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Muzza45 wrote: »

volkeswagon wrote: »

Not another post about Zenimax not caring. Fake news. It's like if you have an undiagnosed illness. The doctors can't help because they don't know what's wrong. But they keep doing tests to try to find the cause and hopefully they find something that might be the issue so they treat it hoping it works. Canceling ESO plus won't fix the game. They fix everything that the know how to fix. Knowing is the issue. Reducing their cashflow won't result in magical fixes.

If there was the unfortunate situation around an undiagnosed illness, the doctors would indeed do many tests. However, those same doctors would sit down with you to explain what they've done and talk in-depth about exactly what they are going to do next. They would take great care to fully explain any queries or concerns you may have. If they didn't, they would be revealed as useless doctors, and you'd find a different set.

Your analogy unfortunately doesn't fit with the seemingly inept bungling and accompanying silence we've all experienced.

Depending on what your illness is, or is suspected to be, the doctors will discuss it with their colleagues first, before coming to the patient

But they take less than six years to talk to the patient

Don't act like they have not spoken a single word to us in 6 years

It's all good mate, I have been accused of being sarcastic on a few occasions. Just put it down to you having far more patience than I. Is the salary decent at Zenimax?

Daemons_Bane

Muzza45 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Muzza45 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Muzza45 wrote: »

volkeswagon wrote: »

Not another post about Zenimax not caring. Fake news. It's like if you have an undiagnosed illness. The doctors can't help because they don't know what's wrong. But they keep doing tests to try to find the cause and hopefully they find something that might be the issue so they treat it hoping it works. Canceling ESO plus won't fix the game. They fix everything that the know how to fix. Knowing is the issue. Reducing their cashflow won't result in magical fixes.

If there was the unfortunate situation around an undiagnosed illness, the doctors would indeed do many tests. However, those same doctors would sit down with you to explain what they've done and talk in-depth about exactly what they are going to do next. They would take great care to fully explain any queries or concerns you may have. If they didn't, they would be revealed as useless doctors, and you'd find a different set.

Your analogy unfortunately doesn't fit with the seemingly inept bungling and accompanying silence we've all experienced.

Depending on what your illness is, or is suspected to be, the doctors will discuss it with their colleagues first, before coming to the patient

But they take less than six years to talk to the patient

Don't act like they have not spoken a single word to us in 6 years

It's all good mate, I have been accused of being sarcastic on a few occasions. Just put it down to you having far more patience than I. Is the salary decent at Zenimax?

Is the salary good at whatever company who pays you to toss out your accusations.?

Muzza45

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Muzza45 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Muzza45 wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Muzza45 wrote: »

volkeswagon wrote: »

Not another post about Zenimax not caring. Fake news. It's like if you have an undiagnosed illness. The doctors can't help because they don't know what's wrong. But they keep doing tests to try to find the cause and hopefully they find something that might be the issue so they treat it hoping it works. Canceling ESO plus won't fix the game. They fix everything that the know how to fix. Knowing is the issue. Reducing their cashflow won't result in magical fixes.

If there was the unfortunate situation around an undiagnosed illness, the doctors would indeed do many tests. However, those same doctors would sit down with you to explain what they've done and talk in-depth about exactly what they are going to do next. They would take great care to fully explain any queries or concerns you may have. If they didn't, they would be revealed as useless doctors, and you'd find a different set.

Your analogy unfortunately doesn't fit with the seemingly inept bungling and accompanying silence we've all experienced.

Depending on what your illness is, or is suspected to be, the doctors will discuss it with their colleagues first, before coming to the patient

But they take less than six years to talk to the patient

Don't act like they have not spoken a single word to us in 6 years

It's all good mate, I have been accused of being sarcastic on a few occasions. Just put it down to you having far more patience than I. Is the salary decent at Zenimax?

Is the salary good at whatever company who pays you to toss out your accusations.?

I apologise. Was just in a bad mood. Won't do it again.

Gythral

Even the mere mention of 'improvement' is again being swept under the carpet

Jaimeh

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

With any software update there’s also the option of rolling back to the previous version, partially or fully. ZoS could fix crashes overnight by restoring to Stonethorn until they can find the issue and bring Markarth to a functional state. It’s an option they refuse to take, but imagine having the ability to “Undo” any illness in that medical analogy.

Very much this. And it is indeed a revenue issue, if they delayed content, to fix performance, things would be better, which is something a lot of players readily admit to prefer as a model.

Tabatha

It appears to me that ESO is happy with the money they are making and the work they put into the game (budget). They have stated during LIVE streaming that they are “Killing it” so why would they do any more work(increase budget)?

It’s a business decision.

Umbro100

Tabatha wrote: »

It appears to me that ESO is happy with the money they are making and the work they put into the game (budget). They have stated during LIVE streaming that they are “Killing it” so why would they do any more work(increase budget)?

It’s a business decision.

Yes, that. People used to have a sense of pride in what they are doing, accomplishment was sort of a reward as well, to make them feel good about what they do and content. Laugh as much as you want, there is much more in the world then money.
All this negativity and grief from and towards the players ... they can make as much money they like, the shame is real.

Husan

The issue here is very simple. ZOS/Bethesda is a big company. Someone did the math. And the math says content update brings in more money (effective immediately) compared to game fixes/quality of life improvements (a long term investment). From a bussiness view point they are making the correct choice. Corporate capitalism sucks and I wish at least gaming would shy away from it, but gaming has become mainstream in the past two decades and here we are. Gaming companies that actually care about their product and costumers are getting rarer and rarer, mostly it is the small indie companies filled with passionate developers that haven't yet been exposed to the soulless world of bussiness. Once they start raking in money the passion for gaming fades and different passion emerges - profit margins. Money makes the world go round.

Miswar

Husan wrote: »

The issue here is very simple. ZOS/Bethesda is a big company. Someone did the math. And the math says content update brings in more money (effective immediately) compared to game fixes/quality of life improvements (a long term investment). From a bussiness view point they are making the correct choice. Corporatism sucks and I wish at least gaming would shy away from it, but gaming has become mainstream in the past two decades and here we are. Gaming companies that actually care about their product and costumers are getting rarer and rarer, mostly it is the small indie companies that haven't been exposed to corporatism yet. Money makes the world go round.

They should be held to same quality standards as "traditional" companies.

You should not sell or false advertise when your product is broken. That how it goes in most of the areas.

After that they can make all the money in the world. ZoS is going down the EA route fast.

Daemons_Bane

Miswar wrote: »

Husan wrote: »

The issue here is very simple. ZOS/Bethesda is a big company. Someone did the math. And the math says content update brings in more money (effective immediately) compared to game fixes/quality of life improvements (a long term investment). From a bussiness view point they are making the correct choice. Corporatism sucks and I wish at least gaming would shy away from it, but gaming has become mainstream in the past two decades and here we are. Gaming companies that actually care about their product and costumers are getting rarer and rarer, mostly it is the small indie companies that haven't been exposed to corporatism yet. Money makes the world go round.

They should be held to same quality standards as "traditional" companies.

You should not sell or false advertise when your product is broken. That how it goes in most of the areas.

After that they can make all the money in the world. ZoS is going down the EA route fast.

But the game works for quite a lot of people, probably the majority, so the game is not broken.. it's more apt to say, as they do, that some people are experiencing issues.. They are working on fixing these issues, which seems to be quite stubborn

Miswar

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

Husan wrote: »

The issue here is very simple. ZOS/Bethesda is a big company. Someone did the math. And the math says content update brings in more money (effective immediately) compared to game fixes/quality of life improvements (a long term investment). From a bussiness view point they are making the correct choice. Corporatism sucks and I wish at least gaming would shy away from it, but gaming has become mainstream in the past two decades and here we are. Gaming companies that actually care about their product and costumers are getting rarer and rarer, mostly it is the small indie companies that haven't been exposed to corporatism yet. Money makes the world go round.

They should be held to same quality standards as "traditional" companies.

You should not sell or false advertise when your product is broken. That how it goes in most of the areas.

After that they can make all the money in the world. ZoS is going down the EA route fast.

But the game works for quite a lot of people, probably the majority, so the game is not broken.. it's more apt to say, as they do, that some people are experiencing issues.. They are working on fixing these issues, which seems to be quite stubborn

They do use word "some" a lot even when basically whole servers are down.

I admire your optimism on your belief on fixing issues... they have NOT even bothered to acknowledge the issue is still raging.

Quite the opposite. The whole previous thread was unstickied while these issues still ongoing and they have not made 1 post about the issue.

Last comments are regarding EVENT TICKETS and that is it. That speaks volumes about their company policies.

I believe they have what 3 community managers but it is quite obvious their job description is not to communicate with their customers. Go figure that.

As for "majority".. well yeah the questers and housing community are propably pretty happy. How large that player base is anyones guess.

For the others I know that many have cancelled their eso+ subscriptions since they are fed up. There are no active trials, pvp or much happening due to this nonsense.

It is safe to say we disagree but like I have said either way it goes best thing with these companies is to vote with wallet. My wallet focuses on other products.

Daemons_Bane

Miswar wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

Husan wrote: »

The issue here is very simple. ZOS/Bethesda is a big company. Someone did the math. And the math says content update brings in more money (effective immediately) compared to game fixes/quality of life improvements (a long term investment). From a bussiness view point they are making the correct choice. Corporatism sucks and I wish at least gaming would shy away from it, but gaming has become mainstream in the past two decades and here we are. Gaming companies that actually care about their product and costumers are getting rarer and rarer, mostly it is the small indie companies that haven't been exposed to corporatism yet. Money makes the world go round.

They should be held to same quality standards as "traditional" companies.

You should not sell or false advertise when your product is broken. That how it goes in most of the areas.

After that they can make all the money in the world. ZoS is going down the EA route fast.

But the game works for quite a lot of people, probably the majority, so the game is not broken.. it's more apt to say, as they do, that some people are experiencing issues.. They are working on fixing these issues, which seems to be quite stubborn

They do use word "some" a lot even when basically whole servers are down.

I admire your optimism on your belief on fixing issues... they have NOT even bothered to acknowledge the issue is still ongoing and they have not made 1 post about the issue.

I believe they have what 3 community managers but it is quite obvious their job description is not to communicate with their customers. Go figure that.

For the others I know that many have cancelled their eso+ subscriptions since they are fed up. There are no active trials, pvp or much happening due to this nonsense.

Find me one, just one, "whole server" that is down then.? Or proof that that many players are not able to play at all.? If there are no active trials or PvP.? Then who are these ghost that I apparently play with on a daily basis.? Who are the players that I ran 3 vet trials with yesterday.? Who were those big groups of yellow and blue players that I defended my keeps against.? As for the community managers.? Well every sane person can understand why they don't really communicate with the players.. every single word they utter, is being picked apart by fanatics, every sentenced used against them.. If they give people a deadline, they will be hunted by a mob with pitchforks if the deadline fails.. We are told that the issues are still there, and they are working on it.. that's safe to say, so that's what we are told.. at this point, it's wise to not give out info without 100% certainty.. I've never been so ashamed of players, as I have on this forum

Miswar

We have not been told anything and thats is a quite standard ZoS policy.

It is an luxury to have an job description where you can only deal with happy customers. There big diffrence with giving information vs posting absolutely nothing about problems.

Regarding the other things. Dont know if you an troll or just live in other realm or just white knighting. Either way like I told you it safe to say we disagree a lot.

The OP here had a valid points and there are several other threads in the forum.

There is nothing more to add. Like said you keep your wallet open and be happy. Me and many others keep them closed.

Merry christmas to you

Daemons_Bane

Miswar wrote: »

We have not been told anything and thats is a quite standard ZoS policy.

It is an luxury to have an job description where you can only deal with happy customers. There big diffrence with giving information vs posting absolutely nothing about problems.

Regarding the other things. Dont know if you an troll or just live in other realm or just white knighting. Either way like I told you it safe to say we disagree a lot.

The OP here had a valid points and there are several others in the forum.

There is nothing more to add. Like said you keep your wallet open and be happy. Me and many others keep them closed.

Merry christmas to you

You have not been told anything, if you don't want to hear it.. some of you seem to WANT the game to be in trouble, so you keep insisting that it hits pretty much all of us, no matter what people tell you or show you.. another realm.? Yeah I call it Cyrodill, where I fight a few times a week, 3-4 hours pr run.. There are several others who supports the OP of course, but there are just as many who goes against him, but it seems we are lesser people than him in their eyes

rrimöykk

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

Husan wrote: »

The issue here is very simple. ZOS/Bethesda is a big company. Someone did the math. And the math says content update brings in more money (effective immediately) compared to game fixes/quality of life improvements (a long term investment). From a bussiness view point they are making the correct choice. Corporatism sucks and I wish at least gaming would shy away from it, but gaming has become mainstream in the past two decades and here we are. Gaming companies that actually care about their product and costumers are getting rarer and rarer, mostly it is the small indie companies that haven't been exposed to corporatism yet. Money makes the world go round.

They should be held to same quality standards as "traditional" companies.

You should not sell or false advertise when your product is broken. That how it goes in most of the areas.

After that they can make all the money in the world. ZoS is going down the EA route fast.

But the game works for quite a lot of people, probably the majority, so the game is not broken.. it's more apt to say, as they do, that some people are experiencing issues.. They are working on fixing these issues, which seems to be quite stubborn

They do use word "some" a lot even when basically whole servers are down.

I admire your optimism on your belief on fixing issues... they have NOT even bothered to acknowledge the issue is still ongoing and they have not made 1 post about the issue.

I believe they have what 3 community managers but it is quite obvious their job description is not to communicate with their customers. Go figure that.

For the others I know that many have cancelled their eso+ subscriptions since they are fed up. There are no active trials, pvp or much happening due to this nonsense.

Find me one, just one, "whole server" that is down then.? Or proof that that many players are not able to play at all.? If there are no active trials or PvP.? Then who are these ghost that I apparently play with on a daily basis.? Who are the players that I ran 3 vet trials with yesterday.? Who were those big groups of yellow and blue players that I defended my keeps against.? As for the community managers.? Well every sane person can understand why they don't really communicate with the players.. every single word they utter, is being picked apart by fanatics, every sentenced used against them.. If they give people a deadline, they will be hunted by a mob with pitchforks if the deadline fails.. We are told that the issues are still there, and they are working on it.. that's safe to say, so that's what we are told.. at this point, it's wise to not give out info without 100% certainty.. I've never been so ashamed of players, as I have on this forum

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

We have not been told anything and thats is a quite standard ZoS policy.

It is an luxury to have an job description where you can only deal with happy customers. There big diffrence with giving information vs posting absolutely nothing about problems.

Regarding the other things. Dont know if you an troll or just live in other realm or just white knighting. Either way like I told you it safe to say we disagree a lot.

The OP here had a valid points and there are several others in the forum.

There is nothing more to add. Like said you keep your wallet open and be happy. Me and many others keep them closed.

Merry christmas to you

You have not been told anything, if you don't want to hear it.. some of you seem to WANT the game to be in trouble, so you keep insisting that it hits pretty much all of us, no matter what people tell you or show you.. another realm.? Yeah I call it Cyrodill, where I fight a few times a week, 3-4 hours pr run.. There are several others who supports the OP of course, but there are just as many who goes against him, but it seems we are lesser people than him in their eyes

You aren't any lesser, you are different. Game works just fine if you focus on questing, roleplaying, or housing (now that sitting is fixed). If you play solo, the game works fine.

If, however, you play in a group and focus on end game pve and pvp, the game doesn't work at all.

Yes, there are people who still do trials and pvp but you do have to acknowledge that majority of the end game guilds have stopped doing trials because of these bugs and crashes. Even their own streamers did so! That tells a lot already, doesn't it? And what about pvp streamers who constantly point out the flaws of the game and nothing happens? Tells a lot, too.

If you do some pvp few hours a day not on peak times, the game works fine. If you plan to do trials or pvp in 12 man groups, however...

olsborg

I quit and canceled some time ago, I doubt they can fix the issues with performance, so Im done. I was patient tho, but even I have limits.

Daemons_Bane

rrimöykk wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

Husan wrote: »

The issue here is very simple. ZOS/Bethesda is a big company. Someone did the math. And the math says content update brings in more money (effective immediately) compared to game fixes/quality of life improvements (a long term investment). From a bussiness view point they are making the correct choice. Corporatism sucks and I wish at least gaming would shy away from it, but gaming has become mainstream in the past two decades and here we are. Gaming companies that actually care about their product and costumers are getting rarer and rarer, mostly it is the small indie companies that haven't been exposed to corporatism yet. Money makes the world go round.

They should be held to same quality standards as "traditional" companies.

You should not sell or false advertise when your product is broken. That how it goes in most of the areas.

After that they can make all the money in the world. ZoS is going down the EA route fast.

But the game works for quite a lot of people, probably the majority, so the game is not broken.. it's more apt to say, as they do, that some people are experiencing issues.. They are working on fixing these issues, which seems to be quite stubborn

They do use word "some" a lot even when basically whole servers are down.

I admire your optimism on your belief on fixing issues... they have NOT even bothered to acknowledge the issue is still ongoing and they have not made 1 post about the issue.

I believe they have what 3 community managers but it is quite obvious their job description is not to communicate with their customers. Go figure that.

For the others I know that many have cancelled their eso+ subscriptions since they are fed up. There are no active trials, pvp or much happening due to this nonsense.

Find me one, just one, "whole server" that is down then.? Or proof that that many players are not able to play at all.? If there are no active trials or PvP.? Then who are these ghost that I apparently play with on a daily basis.? Who are the players that I ran 3 vet trials with yesterday.? Who were those big groups of yellow and blue players that I defended my keeps against.? As for the community managers.? Well every sane person can understand why they don't really communicate with the players.. every single word they utter, is being picked apart by fanatics, every sentenced used against them.. If they give people a deadline, they will be hunted by a mob with pitchforks if the deadline fails.. We are told that the issues are still there, and they are working on it.. that's safe to say, so that's what we are told.. at this point, it's wise to not give out info without 100% certainty.. I've never been so ashamed of players, as I have on this forum

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

We have not been told anything and thats is a quite standard ZoS policy.

It is an luxury to have an job description where you can only deal with happy customers. There big diffrence with giving information vs posting absolutely nothing about problems.

Regarding the other things. Dont know if you an troll or just live in other realm or just white knighting. Either way like I told you it safe to say we disagree a lot.

The OP here had a valid points and there are several others in the forum.

There is nothing more to add. Like said you keep your wallet open and be happy. Me and many others keep them closed.

Merry christmas to you

You have not been told anything, if you don't want to hear it.. some of you seem to WANT the game to be in trouble, so you keep insisting that it hits pretty much all of us, no matter what people tell you or show you.. another realm.? Yeah I call it Cyrodill, where I fight a few times a week, 3-4 hours pr run.. There are several others who supports the OP of course, but there are just as many who goes against him, but it seems we are lesser people than him in their eyes

If, however, you play in a group and focus on end game pve and pvp, the game doesn't work at all.

Yes, there are people who still do trials and pvp but you do have to acknowledge that majority of the end game guilds have stopped doing trials because of these bugs and crashes. Even their own streamers did so! That tells a lot already, doesn't it? And what about pvp streamers who constantly point out the flaws of the game and nothing happens? Tells a lot, too.

If you do some pvp few hours a day not on peak times, the game works fine. If you plan to do trials or pvp in 12 man groups, however...

I do vet trials, I do vet dungeons, public dungeons, regular dungeons and delves, I do PvP 12 man teams in prime time, I do Vet/normal arenas.. What PvE/PvP content is it exactly that you, and I don't, which "doesnt work AT ALL"? Please do tell me.?
No, I don't acknowledge that the "majority of endgame guilds" have quit, cause I don't see any proof of such.. I have seen a few threads where people have said that many/most of their guilds have stopped doing that content, but in no way a majority.. I never watch streamers, too boring for me, so I can't say anything about those though

Regarding PvP people who point out flaws, I don't deny that.. There are flaws to be worked out, but the content is not unplayable, as people like to cry out

cave_troll

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

rrimöykk wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

Husan wrote: »

The issue here is very simple. ZOS/Bethesda is a big company. Someone did the math. And the math says content update brings in more money (effective immediately) compared to game fixes/quality of life improvements (a long term investment). From a bussiness view point they are making the correct choice. Corporatism sucks and I wish at least gaming would shy away from it, but gaming has become mainstream in the past two decades and here we are. Gaming companies that actually care about their product and costumers are getting rarer and rarer, mostly it is the small indie companies that haven't been exposed to corporatism yet. Money makes the world go round.

They should be held to same quality standards as "traditional" companies.

You should not sell or false advertise when your product is broken. That how it goes in most of the areas.

After that they can make all the money in the world. ZoS is going down the EA route fast.

But the game works for quite a lot of people, probably the majority, so the game is not broken.. it's more apt to say, as they do, that some people are experiencing issues.. They are working on fixing these issues, which seems to be quite stubborn

They do use word "some" a lot even when basically whole servers are down.

I admire your optimism on your belief on fixing issues... they have NOT even bothered to acknowledge the issue is still ongoing and they have not made 1 post about the issue.

I believe they have what 3 community managers but it is quite obvious their job description is not to communicate with their customers. Go figure that.

For the others I know that many have cancelled their eso+ subscriptions since they are fed up. There are no active trials, pvp or much happening due to this nonsense.

Find me one, just one, "whole server" that is down then.? Or proof that that many players are not able to play at all.? If there are no active trials or PvP.? Then who are these ghost that I apparently play with on a daily basis.? Who are the players that I ran 3 vet trials with yesterday.? Who were those big groups of yellow and blue players that I defended my keeps against.? As for the community managers.? Well every sane person can understand why they don't really communicate with the players.. every single word they utter, is being picked apart by fanatics, every sentenced used against them.. If they give people a deadline, they will be hunted by a mob with pitchforks if the deadline fails.. We are told that the issues are still there, and they are working on it.. that's safe to say, so that's what we are told.. at this point, it's wise to not give out info without 100% certainty.. I've never been so ashamed of players, as I have on this forum

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

We have not been told anything and thats is a quite standard ZoS policy.

It is an luxury to have an job description where you can only deal with happy customers. There big diffrence with giving information vs posting absolutely nothing about problems.

Regarding the other things. Dont know if you an troll or just live in other realm or just white knighting. Either way like I told you it safe to say we disagree a lot.

The OP here had a valid points and there are several others in the forum.

There is nothing more to add. Like said you keep your wallet open and be happy. Me and many others keep them closed.

Merry christmas to you

You have not been told anything, if you don't want to hear it.. some of you seem to WANT the game to be in trouble, so you keep insisting that it hits pretty much all of us, no matter what people tell you or show you.. another realm.? Yeah I call it Cyrodill, where I fight a few times a week, 3-4 hours pr run.. There are several others who supports the OP of course, but there are just as many who goes against him, but it seems we are lesser people than him in their eyes

If, however, you play in a group and focus on end game pve and pvp, the game doesn't work at all.

Yes, there are people who still do trials and pvp but you do have to acknowledge that majority of the end game guilds have stopped doing trials because of these bugs and crashes. Even their own streamers did so! That tells a lot already, doesn't it? And what about pvp streamers who constantly point out the flaws of the game and nothing happens? Tells a lot, too.

If you do some pvp few hours a day not on peak times, the game works fine. If you plan to do trials or pvp in 12 man groups, however...

I do vet trials, I do vet dungeons, public dungeons, regular dungeons and delves, I do PvP 12 man teams in prime time, I do Vet/normal arenas.. What PvE/PvP content is it exactly that you, and I don't, which "doesnt work AT ALL"? Please do tell me.?
No, I don't acknowledge that the "majority of endgame guilds" have quit, cause I don't see any proof of such.. I have seen a few threads where people have said that many/most of their guilds have stopped doing that content, but in no way a majority.. I never watch streamers, too boring for me, so I can't say anything about those though

Regarding PvP people who point out flaws, I don't deny that.. There are flaws to be worked out, but the content is not unplayable, as people like to cry out

I also don't think the game is unplayable. In trials I never crashed again after the last maintenance. But I also haven't finished another trial without having to wait for sb else because of a crash or disconnect for 1-2 months.

What's bothering me too is the bad optimization for modern hardware. Like I need to play with the alcast performance changes of the user.ini if I want good fps in vet trials. (I use the RTX 2070 super)
Another point is the wonky combat. Like Input lag plus bar swap not working. Also the la weaving bugs haven't been completely fixed.

You're right it isn't unplayable but the performance is still crap. I like to compete for top dps with guildies but can't use all of my potential because of lags/FPS drops.

Miswar

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I do vet trials, I do vet dungeons, public dungeons, regular dungeons and delves, I do PvP 12 man teams in prime time, I do Vet/normal arenas.. What PvE/PvP content is it exactly that you, and I don't, which "doesnt work AT ALL"? Please do tell me.?
No, I don't acknowledge that the "majority of endgame guilds" have quit, cause I don't see any proof of such.. I have seen a few threads where people have said that many/most of their guilds have stopped doing that content, but in no way a majority.. I never watch streamers, too boring for me, so I can't say anything about those though

Regarding PvP people who point out flaws, I don't deny that.. There are flaws to be worked out, but the content is not unplayable, as people like to cry out [/quote]

You mean tell us that you are not experiencing any of the stuff described in these forums? You got to be joking.

I will answer your one final time than your trolling will end up been 1st person on my ignore list! So congrats for that.

Nobody has said that pve/pvp does NOT work at all but when you are in example doing pve trial and your team mates keep going crashing, freezing all the time to offline mode I would call that pretty much as you put it "doesnt work AT ALL" category. Its somewhat annoying to pause things and wait everyone to get online and by some miracle hope that everyone stays online so can wrap up the mechanic/trial... and no these that keep going are NOT the same persons everytime but its pretty random. Nice feeling when middle of fight your tank freezes/crashes... and yes you propably can complete most when you persist and hope mnimal crashes.

The same goes for dungeons too. The diffrence been that you can pretty much 2 or 3 man those if needed but there is the waiting game too... and some dlc dungeons good luck getting them done with crashing people.

As for pvp.. yes it has been neglected for years despite empty promises but these new features they implemented are just pure enjoyment. It feels so good to boot your system 3rd time in 20 minutes because coding is well done. Can you play it? Yes, but is it even remotely working 10000 x hell no.

You also mentioned that your guilds have not been cancelled prog trials, vet trials etc. I have very hard time believing you since Iam in few big guilds that have been on hold mode for weeks because of the fact how disastrous the performance and bugs are at the moment. Sure there are some random trials done but are they even remotely enjoyable they are not.

You start the get the picture? Is all of the above FUNCTIONAL AAA titled game? Not in my eyes.. It is dumbster fire that needs to be sorted.

How much communication all of the above has merited from ZoS? You click that DEVELOPER post button and check yourself. It sad view that opens up.

Also people are quitting either temporarily or for good daily and you think these forums are harsh on ZoS. Trust me these forums are very polite compared what very many people think on guild chats, discords, voice chats...

I'am not siding with OP on this thread or any thread.. Iam siding because its about time these problems should be sorted. I also believe that they keep up on ignoring and not fixing stuff there will be karma in the end for them. Even EA has begun realize that road was dark place and trying get back to light.

All of these "complaints" you have issues are not IDC people. No, when these threads stop been posted with reasonable examples it is the time shutdown the servers since than people truly dont care. They need start fixing this dumbster fire they started and it is not too much to ask for communication from people that are paid to do so.

Now... going to find that ignore button for the very 1st time.

PurplePlatypus

I'm playing Path of Exile December events now and stopped playing ESO 'cause of crashes and broken attacks. Just play another game and enjoy.

cave_troll

Miswar wrote: »

I do vet trials, I do vet dungeons, public dungeons, regular dungeons and delves, I do PvP 12 man teams in prime time, I do Vet/normal arenas.. What PvE/PvP content is it exactly that you, and I don't, which "doesnt work AT ALL"? Please do tell me.?
No, I don't acknowledge that the "majority of endgame guilds" have quit, cause I don't see any proof of such.. I have seen a few threads where people have said that many/most of their guilds have stopped doing that content, but in no way a majority.. I never watch streamers, too boring for me, so I can't say anything about those though

Regarding PvP people who point out flaws, I don't deny that.. There are flaws to be worked out, but the content is not unplayable, as people like to cry out [/quote]

You mean tell us that you are not experiencing any of the stuff described in these forums? You got to be joking.

I will answer your one final time than your trolling will end up been 1st person on my ignore list! So congrats for that.

Nobody has said that pve/pvp does NOT work at all but when you are in example doing pve trial and your team mates keep going crashing, freezing all the time to offline mode I would call that pretty much as you put it "doesnt work AT ALL" category. Its somewhat annoying to pause things and wait everyone to get online and by some miracle hope that everyone stays online so can wrap up the mechanic/trial... and no these that keep going are NOT the same persons everytime but its pretty random. Nice feeling when middle of fight your tank freezes/crashes... and yes you propably can complete most when you persist and hope mnimal crashes.

The same goes for dungeons too. The diffrence been that you can pretty much 2 or 3 man those if needed but there is the waiting game too... and some dlc dungeons good luck getting them done with crashing people.

As for pvp.. yes it has been neglected for years despite empty promises but these new features they implemented are just pure enjoyment. It feels so good to boot your system 3rd time in 20 minutes because coding is well done. Can you play it? Yes, but is it even remotely working 10000 x hell no.

You also mentioned that your guilds have not been cancelled prog trials, vet trials etc. I have very hard time believing you since Iam in few big guilds that have been on hold mode for weeks because of the fact how disastrous the performance and bugs are at the moment. Sure there are some random trials done but are they even remotely enjoyable they are not.

You start the get the picture? Is all of the above FUNCTIONAL AAA titled game? Not in my eyes.. It is dumbster fire that needs to be sorted.

How much communication all of the above has merited from ZoS? You click that DEVELOPER post button and check yourself. It sad view that opens up.

Also people are quitting either temporarily or for good daily and you think these forums are harsh on ZoS. Trust me these forums are very polite compared what very many people think on guild chats, discords, voice chats...

I'am not siding with OP on this thread or any thread.. Iam siding because its about time these problems should be sorted. I also believe that they keep up on ignoring and not fixing stuff there will be karma in the end for them. Even EA has begun realize that road was dark place and trying get back to light.

All of these "complaints" you have issues are not IDC people. No, when these threads stop been posted with reasonable examples it is the time shutdown the servers since than people truly dont care. They need start fixing this dumbster fire they started and it is not too much to ask for communication from people that are paid to do so.

Now... going to find that ignore button for the very 1st time.



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I like the EA example. I see that logo, make that face 😑 and move on to buy a different game.

Maybe it will happen soon too with another logo.

Daemons_Bane

Miswar wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

I do vet trials, I do vet dungeons, public dungeons, regular dungeons and delves, I do PvP 12 man teams in prime time, I do Vet/normal arenas.. What PvE/PvP content is it exactly that you, and I don't, which "doesnt work AT ALL"? Please do tell me.?
No, I don't acknowledge that the "majority of endgame guilds" have quit, cause I don't see any proof of such.. I have seen a few threads where people have said that many/most of their guilds have stopped doing that content, but in no way a majority.. I never watch streamers, too boring for me, so I can't say anything about those though

Regarding PvP people who point out flaws, I don't deny that.. There are flaws to be worked out, but the content is not unplayable, as people like to cry out

Miswar wrote: »

You mean tell us that you are not experiencing any of the stuff described in these forums? You got to be joking.

I will answer your one final time than your trolling will end up been 1st person on my ignore list! So congrats for that.

Nobody has said that pve/pvp does NOT work at all but when you are in example doing pve trial and your team mates keep going crashing, freezing all the time to offline mode I would call that pretty much as you put it "doesnt work AT ALL" category. Its somewhat annoying to pause things and wait everyone to get online and by some miracle hope that everyone stays online so can wrap up the mechanic/trial... and no these that keep going are NOT the same persons everytime but its pretty random. Nice feeling when middle of fight your tank freezes/crashes... and yes you propably can complete most when you persist and hope mnimal crashes.

I never said I see no bugs at all, only that it does not stop me or my guild in doing the activities that we plan.. a person crash.? We wait or fight on, depending on the situation.. simple as that.. But maybe it's about how you and I see "at all".. When I see that phrase, I take it literal.. as in that NO ONE can do it.. and that is not true.. quite a lot of people, I suspect the majority, can still do the content.. I see them out there..

DMuehlhausen

eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »

I can almost guarantee that the bugs in cyperpunk are fixed within a week.

LOL...I'd keep going but it would be an infinite post.

You honestly think those bug fixes won't open up new bugs, and then those fixes make new ones. You obviously have no clue how software works.

Billions of lines of code all inter mingle stuff is always going to go wrong. It's not possible to have a bug free game. They don't even try to have 0 bugs cause they can always patch them as a live service. Even back in the 90s with cartridges where you couldn't patch them games had bugs almost 100% of the time, and if they actually broke the game well you were just SOL.

Stop acting like you can have a perfect mix of code that has 0 problems.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO

...hahaha, I kid u not, the dude said to cancel my eso+ and lose my crafting bag because ZoS isn't giving away free hugs.

I laughed, he cried even more....I laughed harder. 🤘🍺🤘

cave_troll

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

...hahaha, I kid u not, the dude said to cancel my eso+ and lose my crafting bag because ZoS isn't giving away free hugs.

I laughed, he cried even more....I laughed harder. 🤘🍺🤘

Must be a blessing to be entertained so easily. Can't remember the last time I could laugh really hard.

It's like laughing at terrance and phillips fart jokes.

ZOS_Volpe

Greetings,

As this thread has begun to derail rather quickly, we've decided to close it down. While we can understand that players may be upset about various situations, we still ask that posts be kept civil, constructive, and within the rules . If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, feel free to take a few moments to review them here.

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