FTP week. Wait, what?

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · December 2020

What were they thinking? Was anyone thinking? The game is in a sad state of being half broken for lots of people and waiting for an emergency patch, the Undaunted event is crashing the group finder even worse than usual, and they decide that *now* would be a good time to invite people to try the game for free for a week?

Even before those new players can get into a dungeon at level 10, they will see the complaints in zone chat and feel the despair and negativity in any guilds they join. Not everyone is complaining, but there sure is a lot of discontent at the moment. This is *abysmally* bad timing.

Daemons_Bane · December 2020

I don't know what zone you are in to see people moaning over broken dungeon finder.. yesterday evening, undaunted camps had even more recruiting than usual, and people seemed to love it.. the regular zones too, buzzed with recruiting calls

Grega · December 2020

@Daemons_Bane not sure where you’re getting your facts from, but people are not loving it. Setting aside issues the game has, the dungeons constantly crash even before the event.

And I agree with the original post. This is the worst decision to do FTP week starting at the same time as undaunted event. Basically, with the state of the game, they are basically telling general public “come play the game for free, you’ll see how broken and terrible it is so you won’t want to spend money to actually buy it”.

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Muttsmutt · December 2020

i theorize that eso is run in a very rigorously planned fashion, rather than reactively.
as in, they plan months ahead what events & such will take place when.
and of course, refuse to change those plans even when *** like this patch happens.

this isn't a human, empathic, indie dev company.
this is a multi-billion dollar corporate machine.
it's clockworks and sprockets, not thoughts and feelings.
oiled by the blood sweat and tears of real people with no agency, only tasks.

i enjoy the game. but i don't pretend it is anything other than what it really is.

though it is pretty counter-intuitive to its purpose as a money-making machine,
to refuse to change rigid plans when said rigid plans could directly impact future profits.

you think a machine is efficient, but without human adjustment, it'll consistently make bad calls,
as in this rigidity, it is unable to account for how players may feel about certain things.

Daemons_Bane · December 2020

stelegrega wrote: »

@Daemons_Bane not sure where you’re getting your facts from, but people are not loving it. Setting aside issues the game has, the dungeons constantly crash even before the event.

And I agree with the original post. This is the worst decision to do FTP week starting at the same time as undaunted event.

I never said love, or facts.. I told you what I saw in game yesterday.. how you perceive my observations are up to you.. Also remember that it is only some, not all, who crashes in dungeons.. regarding a free weekend, I don't see how it is a bad thing.. lots of worse titles out there have lots of people still playing and wanting to play

zvavi · December 2020

I actually had less crashes since the start of event than I had throughout Markarth (0) then again, I didn't go into trials nor the bugged dungeons. (I have a feeling they just pushed more server resources into dungeons and trials and PvP suffer cause of that).

zaria · December 2020

Muttsmutt wrote: »

i theorize that eso is run in a very rigorously planned fashion, rather than reactively.
as in, they plan months ahead what events & such will take place when.
and of course, refuse to change those plans even when *** like this patch happens.

this isn't a human, empathic, indie dev company.
this is a multi-billion dollar corporate machine.
it's clockworks and sprockets, not thoughts and feelings.
oiled by the blood sweat and tears of real people with no agency, only tasks.

i enjoy the game. but i don't pretend it is anything other than what it really is.

though it is pretty counter-intuitive to its purpose as a money-making machine,
to refuse to change rigid plans when said rigid plans could directly impact future profits.

you think a machine is efficient, but without human adjustment, it'll consistently make bad calls,
as in this rigidity, it is unable to account for how players may feel about certain things.

I agree, they was not willing to cancel the FTP even with all the dungeon crashes.
Probably an logic in it in that new players will not run lots of dungeons anyway.

linuxlady · December 2020

It’s not free on steam. On stadia Xbox PlayStation pc. Not steam

sevomd69 · December 2020

stelegrega wrote: »

@Daemons_Bane not sure where you’re getting your facts from, but people are not loving it. Setting aside issues the game has, the dungeons constantly crash even before the event.

And I agree with the original post. This is the worst decision to do FTP week starting at the same time as undaunted event. Basically, with the state of the game, they are basically telling general public “come play the game for free, you’ll see how broken and terrible it is so you won’t want to spend money to actually buy it”.

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...or maybe... the game isn't broken for most players...and another reminder that the forum is in no way indicative of the entire ESO player base...

Grega · December 2020

sevomd69 wrote: »

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stelegrega wrote: »

@Daemons_Bane not sure where you’re getting your facts from, but people are not loving it. Setting aside issues the game has, the dungeons constantly crash even before the event.

And I agree with the original post. This is the worst decision to do FTP week starting at the same time as undaunted event. Basically, with the state of the game, they are basically telling general public “come play the game for free, you’ll see how broken and terrible it is so you won’t want to spend money to actually buy it”.

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...or maybe... the game isn't broken for most players...and another reminder that the forum is in no way indicative of the entire ESO player base...

I actually spent less than an hour on these forums a week. Most of complaints I see are in actual game chat zone etc.

Agreed tho, majority of eso player base is casuals who play let’s say 30min every other day. So they maybe not encounter issues. Also I speak exclusively for Xbox platform. I have no idea how good or bad game is on other platforms

Daemons_Bane · December 2020

stelegrega wrote: »

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sevomd69 wrote: »

stelegrega wrote: »

@Daemons_Bane not sure where you’re getting your facts from, but people are not loving it. Setting aside issues the game has, the dungeons constantly crash even before the event.

And I agree with the original post. This is the worst decision to do FTP week starting at the same time as undaunted event. Basically, with the state of the game, they are basically telling general public “come play the game for free, you’ll see how broken and terrible it is so you won’t want to spend money to actually buy it”.

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...or maybe... the game isn't broken for most players...and another reminder that the forum is in no way indicative of the entire ESO player base...

I actually spent less than an hour on these forums a week. Most of complaints I see are in actual game chat zone etc.

Agreed tho, majority of eso player base is casuals who play let’s say 30min every other day. So they maybe not encounter issues. Also I speak exclusively for Xbox platform. I have no idea how good or bad game is on other platforms

I spend easily 7 hours daily in-game, so I feel my observations are fairly accurate.. my platform is pc tho, so I can't speak for consoles

LalMirchi · December 2020

Has ZOS fixed something behind the scenes? Yesterday I had no crashes (PC-EU) and did 9 dungeons.

Days before I had at least a crash a day.

Liukke · December 2020

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

What were they thinking? Was anyone thinking? The game is in a sad state of being half broken for lots of people and waiting for an emergency patch, the Undaunted event is crashing the group finder even worse than usual, and they decide that *now* would be a good time to invite people to try the game for free for a week?

Even before those new players can get into a dungeon at level 10, they will see the complaints in zone chat and feel the despair and negativity in any guilds they join. Not everyone is complaining, but there sure is a lot of discontent at the moment. This is *abysmally* bad timing.

Sadly all the new players won't have time to experience any bug.
All the base storyline works just fine and as long as you don't get into big content nothing happens.

So as always all the bugs/crashes occur to a part of the hardcore player base, which counts mostly as nothing.
All those who pay are mostly doing semi-endgame stuff, housing or simply don't care at all if their game crashes every now and then.

And since this game is a business as long as people pay everything is all right

I'm not accusing anyone, just to be clear, but that's it.
If people stopped paying for this game things would be fixed rather quickly but the majority of the player base (or actually the one that counts) is not experiencing game breaking bugs.

And by the way, today's pledge is Fang Lair :'D another fail as always

Tandor · December 2020

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I don't know what zone you are in to see people moaning over broken dungeon finder.. yesterday evening, undaunted camps had even more recruiting than usual, and people seemed to love it.. the regular zones too, buzzed with recruiting calls

I haven't seen so many people in base game zones for a long time, if ever. I wandered into the bank in Vulkhel Guard the other evening and couldn't believe how crowded it was. I've been doing world bosses, dolmens and delves etc and not seen anyone crash out or fail to run the necessary skills etc. Of course there are problem areas in the game currently, but it is far from being totally broken and unplayable as some would claim. I assume that is borne out by the logs that ZOS maintain, hence their going ahead with the events and FTP trials etc.

Daemons_Bane · December 2020

As always @Tandor, you say it perfectly

iksde · December 2020

sevomd69 wrote: »

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stelegrega wrote: »

@Daemons_Bane not sure where you’re getting your facts from, but people are not loving it. Setting aside issues the game has, the dungeons constantly crash even before the event.

And I agree with the original post. This is the worst decision to do FTP week starting at the same time as undaunted event. Basically, with the state of the game, they are basically telling general public “come play the game for free, you’ll see how broken and terrible it is so you won’t want to spend money to actually buy it”.

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...or maybe... the game isn't broken for most players...and another reminder that the forum is in no way indicative of the entire ESO player base...

define most players for you
for me every my guildmate from not huge guild (almsot 100 players) experience problems, crashes while most of them experience them constantly, we have now canceled making any trials (2-4 per week) because we cant even get smooth run with great team because half of the time in trial we need to wait for someone crashed or crashes are making wipes because suddenly haf of team is getting crashed

I dont have a single friend in game now which doesn't have problem with these crashes

so litteraly everyone I know in game experienced more crashes than ever lately where most of them experience crashes just to much often than it could be even acceptable

EDIT: about "forum is in no way indicative of the entire ESO player base...".....basicly maybe just 1-2 people from my friends and guild are just lurking at forums and rest just dont care about forums so thats not like that forums are biased because people onnly with problems come here...most people also with problems jsut dont have time, dont care to come to forum to make more whines threads, posts because game doesnt work as it should

Miswar · December 2020

I have never seen so empty guild rosters that used to be full of active players... never seen pvp so unpopulated and uneventful.

Never seen active guilds running no real pve trials for veteran players due to the game been absolutely "#"#%#"%#" condition.

That is the realm of Elders Scrolls Offline 2020... so many are just fed up while some housing people enjoy spending money on crowns.

Raideen · December 2020

Agree 100% OP.

I have the luxury to often spend 10+ a day in game and I am seeing crashes happen often in dungeons. Skills and abilities freezing up, other players freezing up, bars not swapping after 5 key presses, abilities greying out like Stamplars jabs (an ability that is never greyed out), dying instantly with no telegraphs on the ground and boss facing away and I am not talking about just dungeon bosses, but world bosses as well. The list of issues is seemingly endless.

My GF crashed yesterday trying to do undaunted. I queued us for a random daily normal dungeon and was put into a pvp battleground instead....ya, go figure.

I watch players constantly freeze in place during boss encounters. I see them DC. Some bosses are disconnecting the entire party, to the detriment of people leaving after 4+ failed attempts.

After 6 years I STILL do not get my mail when I buy from the Guild Trader unless I zone or log out, log in.

There was a big red banner on the forums yesterday about looking into the issue of players who could not purchase from the ESO store, yet I saw ZERO posts about it.
Yet for a month now the game has been crashing and freezing and no big red banner telling everyone that they are aware of all the issues and looking into it, even though the forums are RIFE with complaints about crashing and performance.

Actions speak louder than words.

Tandor · December 2020

Miswar wrote: »

I have never seen so empty guild rosters that used to be full of active players... never seen pvp so unpopulated and uneventful.

Never seen active guilds running no real pve trials for veteran players due to the game been absolutely "#"#%#"%#" condition.

That is the realm of Elders Scrolls Offline 2020... so many are just fed up while some housing people enjoy spending money on crowns.

Nobody under-estimates the problems with PvP and trials, but the proportion of players focusing on those activities is very small, as is the proportion of players focusing on spending money on crowns. In between those two most players are focusing on overland content including quests, world bosses, delves and dolmens etc and those players have the least problems.

Red_Feather · December 2020

I didn't have any problems with dungeon finder so far just stupid fake tanks

zaria · December 2020

Liukke wrote: »

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stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

What were they thinking? Was anyone thinking? The game is in a sad state of being half broken for lots of people and waiting for an emergency patch, the Undaunted event is crashing the group finder even worse than usual, and they decide that *now* would be a good time to invite people to try the game for free for a week?

Even before those new players can get into a dungeon at level 10, they will see the complaints in zone chat and feel the despair and negativity in any guilds they join. Not everyone is complaining, but there sure is a lot of discontent at the moment. This is *abysmally* bad timing.

Sadly all the new players won't have time to experience any bug.
All the base storyline works just fine and as long as you don't get into big content nothing happens.

So as always all the bugs/crashes occur to a part of the hardcore player base, which counts mostly as nothing.
All those who pay are mostly doing semi-endgame stuff, housing or simply don't care at all if their game crashes every now and then.

And since this game is a business as long as people pay everything is all right
I'm not accusing anyone, just to be clear, but that's it.
If people stopped paying for this game things would be fixed rather quickly but the majority of the player base (or actually the one that counts) is not experiencing game breaking bugs.

And by the way, today's pledge is Fang Lair :'D another fail as always

In part correct, however running random normal and getting spindlecrash1 is not hardcore by most definitions.
On the other hand the bug here can be bypassed by burning the boss fast

Liukke · December 2020

zaria wrote: »

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Liukke wrote: »

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

What were they thinking? Was anyone thinking? The game is in a sad state of being half broken for lots of people and waiting for an emergency patch, the Undaunted event is crashing the group finder even worse than usual, and they decide that *now* would be a good time to invite people to try the game for free for a week?

Even before those new players can get into a dungeon at level 10, they will see the complaints in zone chat and feel the despair and negativity in any guilds they join. Not everyone is complaining, but there sure is a lot of discontent at the moment. This is *abysmally* bad timing.

Sadly all the new players won't have time to experience any bug.
All the base storyline works just fine and as long as you don't get into big content nothing happens.

So as always all the bugs/crashes occur to a part of the hardcore player base, which counts mostly as nothing.
All those who pay are mostly doing semi-endgame stuff, housing or simply don't care at all if their game crashes every now and then.

And since this game is a business as long as people pay everything is all right
I'm not accusing anyone, just to be clear, but that's it.
If people stopped paying for this game things would be fixed rather quickly but the majority of the player base (or actually the one that counts) is not experiencing game breaking bugs.

And by the way, today's pledge is Fang Lair :'D another fail as always

In part correct, however running random normal and getting spindlecrash1 is not hardcore by most definitions.
On the other hand the bug here can be bypassed by burning the boss fast

I totally agree with you but also think as a very new player.
If you start this game for the very first time you won't be spending necessarily your time in dungeons.
There's story, character progression and understanding which will take a lot for a totally new player...basically in 5 days people will still be struggling to gather money/equipment and do quests

Of course there will be new players experiencing bugs but before they realise that it's the game's fault there will be time.

Imagine a new player crashing and being so clever to send a ticket (many will just try again and think it's a one time problem).
They'll reply that you need to check this and that, point to addons, point to many time wasting solution that again, by the 9th of December, very few players will have realised the huge poop the game is drowning into

Danksta · December 2020

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

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stelegrega wrote: »

@Daemons_Bane not sure where you’re getting your facts from, but people are not loving it. Setting aside issues the game has, the dungeons constantly crash even before the event.

And I agree with the original post. This is the worst decision to do FTP week starting at the same time as undaunted event.

I never said love, or facts.. I told you what I saw in game yesterday.. how you perceive my observations are up to you.. Also remember that it is only some, not all, who crashes in dungeons.. regarding a free weekend, I don't see how it is a bad thing.. lots of worse titles out there have lots of people still playing and wanting to play

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I don't know what zone you are in to see people moaning over broken dungeon finder.. yesterday evening, undaunted camps had even more recruiting than usual, and people seemed to love it.. the regular zones too, buzzed with recruiting calls

:pepethink:

Daemons_Bane · December 2020

Danksta wrote: »

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Daemons_Bane wrote: »

stelegrega wrote: »

@Daemons_Bane not sure where you’re getting your facts from, but people are not loving it. Setting aside issues the game has, the dungeons constantly crash even before the event.

And I agree with the original post. This is the worst decision to do FTP week starting at the same time as undaunted event.

I never said love, or facts.. I told you what I saw in game yesterday.. how you perceive my observations are up to you.. Also remember that it is only some, not all, who crashes in dungeons.. regarding a free weekend, I don't see how it is a bad thing.. lots of worse titles out there have lots of people still playing and wanting to play

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Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I don't know what zone you are in to see people moaning over broken dungeon finder.. yesterday evening, undaunted camps had even more recruiting than usual, and people seemed to love it.. the regular zones too, buzzed with recruiting calls

:pepethink:

Fair enough

my own bad memory tricked me

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · December 2020

Feels like the train is the server and at some point there's gnna be too much pushing from ZOS and everyone gnna get off

https://youtu.be/o9Xg7ui5mLA

NettleCarrier · December 2020

Hmm, and here I was thinking it was working fine. I ran 12 or so characters through random dungeons yesterday and farmed FG1 quite a few times on two of them (outside of the dungeon finder that I ran at least 12 times). I had maybe two people crash in all of those runs.

Jierdanit · December 2020

Tandor wrote: »

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Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I don't know what zone you are in to see people moaning over broken dungeon finder.. yesterday evening, undaunted camps had even more recruiting than usual, and people seemed to love it.. the regular zones too, buzzed with recruiting calls

I haven't seen so many people in base game zones for a long time, if ever. I wandered into the bank in Vulkhel Guard the other evening and couldn't believe how crowded it was. I've been doing world bosses, dolmens and delves etc and not seen anyone crash out or fail to run the necessary skills etc. Of course there are problem areas in the game currently, but it is far from being totally broken and unplayable as some would claim. I assume that is borne out by the logs that ZOS maintain, hence their going ahead with the events and FTP trials etc.

Tandor wrote: »

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Miswar wrote: »

I have never seen so empty guild rosters that used to be full of active players... never seen pvp so unpopulated and uneventful.

Never seen active guilds running no real pve trials for veteran players due to the game been absolutely "#"#%#"%#" condition.

That is the realm of Elders Scrolls Offline 2020... so many are just fed up while some housing people enjoy spending money on crowns.

Nobody under-estimates the problems with PvP and trials, but the proportion of players focusing on those activities is very small, as is the proportion of players focusing on spending money on crowns. In between those two most players are focusing on overland content including quests, world bosses, delves and dolmens etc and those players have the least problems.

From what i have seen you post, it seems like you only play overland PvE and never do anything endgame related.

So please just dont say something like that if you admit that you have absolutely no clue in what a broken state PvP (and i assume endgame PvE) is atm.

People like you just lead to ZOS thinking that the game is fine and makes them absolutely abandon an entire part of the playerbase.
(and even if they are by far not the majority of players, they are still not a very small part of the playerbase, and most importantly every single PvP and endgame PvE player is also a PAYING customer, most probably paying more than someone who only does questing)

You should not justify ZOS doing nothing for PvP and endgame PvE players by saying that they only make up smaller part of the players and acting like due to that they wouldnt deserve a working game.

idk · December 2020

This was likely on Zos' calendar for some time and they probably do not rethink them along the way. Granted, that is a bad PR move but then again this is ESO and Zos.

Tandor · December 2020

Jierdanit wrote: »

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Tandor wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I don't know what zone you are in to see people moaning over broken dungeon finder.. yesterday evening, undaunted camps had even more recruiting than usual, and people seemed to love it.. the regular zones too, buzzed with recruiting calls

I haven't seen so many people in base game zones for a long time, if ever. I wandered into the bank in Vulkhel Guard the other evening and couldn't believe how crowded it was. I've been doing world bosses, dolmens and delves etc and not seen anyone crash out or fail to run the necessary skills etc. Of course there are problem areas in the game currently, but it is far from being totally broken and unplayable as some would claim. I assume that is borne out by the logs that ZOS maintain, hence their going ahead with the events and FTP trials etc.

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Tandor wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

I have never seen so empty guild rosters that used to be full of active players... never seen pvp so unpopulated and uneventful.

Never seen active guilds running no real pve trials for veteran players due to the game been absolutely "#"#%#"%#" condition.

That is the realm of Elders Scrolls Offline 2020... so many are just fed up while some housing people enjoy spending money on crowns.

Nobody under-estimates the problems with PvP and trials, but the proportion of players focusing on those activities is very small, as is the proportion of players focusing on spending money on crowns. In between those two most players are focusing on overland content including quests, world bosses, delves and dolmens etc and those players have the least problems.

From what i have seen you post, it seems like you only play overland PvE and never do anything endgame related.

So please just dont say something like that if you admit that you have absolutely no clue in what a broken state PvP (and i assume endgame PvE) is atm.

People like you just lead to ZOS thinking that the game is fine and makes them absolutely abandon an entire part of the playerbase.
(and even if they are by far not the majority of players, they are still not a very small part of the playerbase, and most importantly every single PvP and endgame PvE player is also a PAYING customer, most probably paying more than someone who only does questing)

You should not justify ZOS doing nothing for PvP and endgame PvE players by saying that they only make up smaller part of the players and acting like due to that they wouldnt deserve a working game.

I specifically stated that nobody under-estimates the problems with PvP and trials, you just chose not to bold that part and to ignore it. I know what state PvP and endgame PvE is in at the moment, but that does not mean the entire game is broken. Nowhere have I justified ZOS doing nothing, indeed just today I expressed the hope that these issues would get resolved and I suggested that a proper statement on the state of the game was overdue from Messrs Firor and Lambert.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7042729#Comment_7042729

Jierdanit · December 2020

Tandor wrote: »

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Jierdanit wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

I don't know what zone you are in to see people moaning over broken dungeon finder.. yesterday evening, undaunted camps had even more recruiting than usual, and people seemed to love it.. the regular zones too, buzzed with recruiting calls

I haven't seen so many people in base game zones for a long time, if ever. I wandered into the bank in Vulkhel Guard the other evening and couldn't believe how crowded it was. I've been doing world bosses, dolmens and delves etc and not seen anyone crash out or fail to run the necessary skills etc. Of course there are problem areas in the game currently, but it is far from being totally broken and unplayable as some would claim. I assume that is borne out by the logs that ZOS maintain, hence their going ahead with the events and FTP trials etc.

Tandor wrote: »

Miswar wrote: »

I have never seen so empty guild rosters that used to be full of active players... never seen pvp so unpopulated and uneventful.

Never seen active guilds running no real pve trials for veteran players due to the game been absolutely "#"#%#"%#" condition.

That is the realm of Elders Scrolls Offline 2020... so many are just fed up while some housing people enjoy spending money on crowns.

Nobody under-estimates the problems with PvP and trials, but the proportion of players focusing on those activities is very small, as is the proportion of players focusing on spending money on crowns. In between those two most players are focusing on overland content including quests, world bosses, delves and dolmens etc and those players have the least problems.

From what i have seen you post, it seems like you only play overland PvE and never do anything endgame related.

So please just dont say something like that if you admit that you have absolutely no clue in what a broken state PvP (and i assume endgame PvE) is atm.

People like you just lead to ZOS thinking that the game is fine and makes them absolutely abandon an entire part of the playerbase.
(and even if they are by far not the majority of players, they are still not a very small part of the playerbase, and most importantly every single PvP and endgame PvE player is also a PAYING customer, most probably paying more than someone who only does questing)

You should not justify ZOS doing nothing for PvP and endgame PvE players by saying that they only make up smaller part of the players and acting like due to that they wouldnt deserve a working game.

I specifically stated that nobody under-estimates the problems with PvP and trials, you just chose not to bold that part and to ignore it. I know what state PvP and endgame PvE is in at the moment, but that does not mean the entire game is broken. Nowhere have I justified ZOS doing nothing, indeed just today I expressed the hope that these issues would get resolved and I suggested that a proper statement on the state of the game was overdue from Messrs Firor and Lambert.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7042729#Comment_7042729

I saw that part of your post and yes i chose not to write anything about it since the rest of your posts made it pretty obvious that you dont actually care about that state at all, since everything is alright for you.

And while your comment (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7042729#Comment_7042729) says that you know that the game is not playable for

10% of the players

(again i dont know what it matters that that is only 10% of the players, those players are still all paying customers who deserve that working game you already have as well) it still seems like you are arguing in favor of ZOS in that matter.

DreadDaedroth · December 2020

Is it a move to bloat some numbers and show a pike in players playing?