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Can you plz stop the cheaters
wolveman
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Sense beta all i seen constant cheating from pc to xbox to even ps4 ... As players constantly deny this no matter how many post where made and how many post i read get booted by the Mods or players lashing out on the person doing the post it's a constant issue that has been ignored for a long time.
I been watching studying this majority off the cheaters make up accounts all lv 5 gamer scores no friends no post just a new account they open up multiple accounts like this do bot farming . For those that still say it's un true just travel to a few locations you see for yourself...
Now these same bot farmers are all in guilds just yesterday i went to different locations across the game i noticed 29 stacks raw material 200 per stack 6k-13k i checked out the sellers gamer tag lord and be hold lv 5 gamer score no friends and i forget to mention all these use high elf sorcerers multiple copies of pets and copies of the host soun true i bet huh ?
Again got screenshots to provide this information it's been going on for years... Now back too the guild shops i traced this player to multiple different guilds all the same results 29 stacks 200 per stack raw materials multiple guild shops .. And theres more who are doing this i even heard som are trying to make money selling this on the web usd.... I seen this done on other mmo accounts even players selling their accounts ... It's a constant issue i don't see why these companies can't track the offenders ip addresses simply block them thaat would resolve a lot there itself that's what i would've done if i ran a company..
I been watching studying this majority off the cheaters make up accounts all lv 5 gamer scores no friends no post just a new account they open up multiple accounts like this do bot farming . For those that still say it's un true just travel to a few locations you see for yourself...
Now these same bot farmers are all in guilds just yesterday i went to different locations across the game i noticed 29 stacks raw material 200 per stack 6k-13k i checked out the sellers gamer tag lord and be hold lv 5 gamer score no friends and i forget to mention all these use high elf sorcerers multiple copies of pets and copies of the host soun true i bet huh ?
Again got screenshots to provide this information it's been going on for years... Now back too the guild shops i traced this player to multiple different guilds all the same results 29 stacks 200 per stack raw materials multiple guild shops .. And theres more who are doing this i even heard som are trying to make money selling this on the web usd.... I seen this done on other mmo accounts even players selling their accounts ... It's a constant issue i don't see why these companies can't track the offenders ip addresses simply block them thaat would resolve a lot there itself that's what i would've done if i ran a company..
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mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Bots on Xbox = report to microsoft.
Bots on Playstation = report to Sony.
Bots on PC = cross fingers and report to ZOS.9 -
Clone4423✭✭✭It's a fundamental economic principle that when supply exceeds demand for a good or service, prices fall. When demand exceeds supply, prices tend to rise. There is an inverse relationship between the supply and prices of goods and services when demand is unchanged.0
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Miszou✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't get it. People are selling stacks of things on guild stores and because they don't have any friends, that proves they're "cheating"?
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Faiza✭✭✭✭✭It's a fundamental economic principle that when supply exceeds demand for a good or service, prices fall. When demand exceeds supply, prices tend to rise. There is an inverse relationship between the supply and prices of goods and services when demand is unchanged.
Right sure, but that's not what's happening.
The claim was, "Bots are good because prices are low". But...do we have evidence that prices are indeed low? 😂Edited by Faiza on November 23, 2020 4:36PM8 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's a fundamental economic principle that when supply exceeds demand for a good or service, prices fall. When demand exceeds supply, prices tend to rise. There is an inverse relationship between the supply and prices of goods and services when demand is unchanged.
Right sure, but that's not what's happening.
The claim was, "Bots are good because prices are low". But...do we have evidence that prices are indeed low? 😂
They are on the rise, but think of how much higher they might be without bots? If a Dreugh Wax used to be 6k and now it's 9k, without bots it would be theoretically 12k or more.
So yes, prices are on the rise, but that doesn't mean they can't rise more if some of the supply is taken away, even if that supply is from bots.0 -
Faiza✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »It's a fundamental economic principle that when supply exceeds demand for a good or service, prices fall. When demand exceeds supply, prices tend to rise. There is an inverse relationship between the supply and prices of goods and services when demand is unchanged.
Right sure, but that's not what's happening.
The claim was, "Bots are good because prices are low". But...do we have evidence that prices are indeed low? 😂
They are on the rise, but think of how much higher they might be without bots? If a Dreugh Wax used to be 6k and now it's 9k, without bots it would be theoretically 12k or more.
So yes, prices are on the rise, but that doesn't mean they can't rise more if some of the supply is taken away, even if that supply is from bots.
Theoretically and actually are not the same lol.
This claim means nothing if you don't have the data that shows the price of dreugh wax with bots and without over periods of time, removing other factors that can affect the price of the item (like events, holidays, DLCs).5 -
virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »It's a fundamental economic principle that when supply exceeds demand for a good or service, prices fall. When demand exceeds supply, prices tend to rise. There is an inverse relationship between the supply and prices of goods and services when demand is unchanged.
Right sure, but that's not what's happening.
The claim was, "Bots are good because prices are low". But...do we have evidence that prices are indeed low? 😂
They are on the rise, but think of how much higher they might be without bots? If a Dreugh Wax used to be 6k and now it's 9k, without bots it would be theoretically 12k or more.
So yes, prices are on the rise, but that doesn't mean they can't rise more if some of the supply is taken away, even if that supply is from bots.
Theoretically and actually are not the same lol.
This claim means nothing if you don't have the data that shows the price of dreugh wax with bots and without over periods of time, removing other factors that can affect the price of the item (like events, holidays, DLCs).
Not to mention that one has to accept the underlying assumption that sufficient economic convenience justifies breaking the ToS...7 -
mairwen85✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »It's a fundamental economic principle that when supply exceeds demand for a good or service, prices fall. When demand exceeds supply, prices tend to rise. There is an inverse relationship between the supply and prices of goods and services when demand is unchanged.
Right sure, but that's not what's happening.
The claim was, "Bots are good because prices are low". But...do we have evidence that prices are indeed low? 😂
They are on the rise, but think of how much higher they might be without bots? If a Dreugh Wax used to be 6k and now it's 9k, without bots it would be theoretically 12k or more.
So yes, prices are on the rise, but that doesn't mean they can't rise more if some of the supply is taken away, even if that supply is from bots.
Theoretically and actually are not the same lol.
This claim means nothing if you don't have the data that shows the price of dreugh wax with bots and without over periods of time, removing other factors that can affect the price of the item (like events, holidays, DLCs).
I think it's a bit of a logical fallacy for rl economic principles to apply to a virtual economy where goods are not finite and costs of production do not exist in the same way. Bots listing materials list at or just under the going rate, they do not set the price, they adhere to it. The market doesn't flood with materials because literally every guild trader has them listed in stacks of easily saleable amounts. The supply of mats is not limited by the same factors that dlc or daily motifs are for example. Prices may drop whrn someone tries to make a quick buck by fire selling, but the whole server doesn't follow that example. People are more likely to list an item at the price they see it listed rather than miss out on the actual value attainable for it...
Edited by mairwen85 on November 23, 2020 5:14PM3 -
twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I imagine that if there were no bots - actual characters played by real people would be able to succussfully farm their own materials in a shorter period of time rather than getting fed up and resorting to the bot-supplied mats to be able to do their own crafting and writs.
But hey, I'm just a player who spends more time farming for nodes that the bots keep cleaned out.The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.5 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oy. I farm incessantly on any character I'm playing. I don't really have an issue anywhere - there are nodes of all kinds, and I either get to them first or I don't, but I really don't see a whole lot of bot stuff. Perhaps because I don't play in areas where the bots supposedly gather? Like Shadowfen.... good LORD I hate that zone. I don't spend any time there EVER.
I have so many mats of all kinds - it's not an issue. But then again, I'm not farming to sell, because I can't be bothered with the whole trader silliness here. I farm for my accounts. Works for me.4 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭
Quite simply bots increase supply while demand remains the same which causes prices to fall. Removal of all the bots drastically decreases supply while demand remains constant which causes prices to skyrocket.
I can only vouch for PC/NA where ZOS has been going after bots harder and the result is mats are much more expensive now. Before, mat prices would fluctuate based on what was going on in the game. When a new DLC dropped, mat prices would go up as people are upgrading new sets. If there was a popular new set in the new DLC, prices would go up even further. They would peak would fall off as demand dropped back down. Tempering alloy, for example, could fluctuate between 4-7k depending on what was going on in the game.
Now however, prices just go up and up and up and don't fall off ever. Thats not how it worked in the past. Upgrading mats would peak for a week or two then fall back off.
This also isn't criticizing ZOS for going after bots. It's just observations of the effects.
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wolveman✭✭✭I seen a ton of cheater's on GTA 5 and at least that company slammed the banned hammer on them faster then crap through a goose...
I hear this all.the time that people say you can't cheat on these games bull crap.they can't .
As for these botters if they can multiply their characters and constant bot all day long even through out the night then why ain't they taken off the game ?
Microsoft and Bethesda are together now so why ain't they doing anything and if they are don't they realize their loosing money ... I seen players walk off elder scrolls online never return more are going to leave once elder scrolls 6 comes out .
So point is dealing with these type of players are not only a nuisance but unless Microsoft cracks down this will continue.
I seen this on PC and on Xbox one .
A player can do battle grounds take over the entire map kill everyone I seen this often on.other games black ops serious aim bots . I seen players kill rank up to 25 - 40 kills win.the match under the 10 minute session I seen this in the sewers players are outside of the map sniping players killing them can't tell me that's not happening been happening throughout the years . It's a constant behavior issues needs to be crack down .0 -
Amerises✭✭✭✭If bots are adhering to market prices, this helps stabilize prices. What would happen if there were no bots and materials would start to dry up? People will offer more, and people will sell for more because they will be bought. What increases prices the most is when guilds buy every of an item on the guild traders and eventually raise prices themselves. Flooded markets prevent guild's from inflating prices.0
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Amerises✭✭✭✭That's not to say I support bots, and I agree with the person saying there's too much gold in the game. It happens to every mmo out there, which is why some games find ways to get people to spend gold on things other than trading/buying items from other people. High prices and lots of gold in the market prevent new players from being able to get what they need, which also pushes new players to other, newer, games.0
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Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IF the botter accounts always listed on guild traders or sold in zone chat, yes I would agree with the statement that they lower prices of mats due to increased supply. This isn't always the case; I've known some (ex-)guildies who used to have sweetheart deals with these botters and would get sold the mats at a premium discount directly, so the whole "increase supply / lower prices" argument isn't always true.
The entire point of these bots is to a) farm mats via automation, which they then b) sell for gold, which they then c) trade for actual real money on a gold-selling site. Selling mats for gold isn't against the TOS; it's an integral part of the economic system as ZOS intended. But using automation to farm? Against the TOS. Selling gold/services for actual money? Also against the TOS.
Moral of the story: botters know what they're doing is wrong, and the people who knowingly buy from botters know that what the botters are doing is wrong as well. As such, both groups of people can go sit on an upright, spiked baseball bat. But of course that's just one man's opinion.Edited by Saucy_Jack on June 7, 2021 3:33AMALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.9 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's a fundamental economic principle that when supply exceeds demand for a good or service, prices fall. When demand exceeds supply, prices tend to rise. There is an inverse relationship between the supply and prices of goods and services when demand is unchanged.
Actually, it is a fundamental economic principle that when adding more money to the economy that prices inflate. Matterial farming is only a small part of bot farming in an MMORPG. Based on drops I have seen in ESO the larger source for farming gold would be from selling vendor trash to merchants. They are able to host and manage a number of bots with one machine. I have seen lines of them running around in circles killing trash.
So in the end, gold sellers cause inflation. I am sure that is good for someone but I do not think it is good for the game.1 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭Cheaters are only because:
Base game cost !!! It cost less than 5 dollars in my region !
But Eso + costs 3+ times more.
They are not make game for peoples - ut is better have more base game cost but less on Eso +
People who buy game for 5 dollars will never buy Eso + or just farm gold and buy it by gold.
But people who use bots will BOT - because if they get bunned and get more than they lose - they will do it !!!
If bot gets 10 dollars and when get bunned they lose 5 dollars - they will do it untill you make cost 15 dollars !
To many players and server can not take them all - why such costs on base game ???
If you want players play make regional cost on game 15 dollars, but make Eso + , not Crowns easier to buy !!!
To let people who want to play make it simpler, not just buy bot and bot for money !!!1 -
LightningWitch✭✭✭
Remember this the next time you review the prices in the Crown Store of a digital good, which has an infinite resource, or a guild trader, which also has an infinite resource but is controlled by a ridiculous drop rate and randomizing system.It's a fundamental economic principle that when supply exceeds demand for a good or service, prices fall. When demand exceeds supply, prices tend to rise. There is an inverse relationship between the supply and prices of goods and services when demand is unchanged.
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xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bots on Xbox = report to microsoft.
Bots on Playstation = report to Sony.
Bots on PC = cross fingers and report to ZOS.
Considering how many utterly BS players we have on PC EU in Sewers, I wouldn't even both reporting to ZoS at this point. Nothing ever seems to change.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.1 -
Bradyfjord✭✭✭✭✭I didn't know people bought materials. I've never needed to, as I just gather as I go. The survey maps help a lot though.0 -
Galbsadi✭✭✭LightningWitch wrote: »
Remember this the next time you review the prices in the Crown Store of a digital good, which has an infinite resource, or a guild trader, which also has an infinite resource but is controlled by a ridiculous drop rate and randomizing system.It's a fundamental economic principle that when supply exceeds demand for a good or service, prices fall. When demand exceeds supply, prices tend to rise. There is an inverse relationship between the supply and prices of goods and services when demand is unchanged.
He was talking with the assumption of economic competition, which we arguably may or may not have when it comes to materials, etc.
You are talking in a case of a monopoly. Sure, supply may technically be "infinite" in the sense that it costs them nothing to generate more, but it's extremely limited in that literally nobody else can provide the items in question.0 -
DukeCybran✭✭✭Bots are actually good for the game. Lowers the price of mats. Jmo
While on the other hand, bots make money less worthy, causing tremendous inflation, which, on its turn, increases the mats' price.
And the result is that the price doesn't change and our savings shrink due to this inflation.1 -
Xebov✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's a fundamental economic principle that when supply exceeds demand for a good or service, prices fall. When demand exceeds supply, prices tend to rise. There is an inverse relationship between the supply and prices of goods and services when demand is unchanged.
Right sure, but that's not what's happening.
The claim was, "Bots are good because prices are low". But...do we have evidence that prices are indeed low? 😂
That claim can be proven. When Markath hit there was a ban wave for bots on PC. Usually prices rise around new DLCs/Addons, expecially with this release. The raise was much higher than expected and after 6 months the prices are still way beyond what they where pre Markath. Its unlikely that normal palyers all of a sudden gathered less so its very likely that the result partially came from the reduction in bot activities.0 -
ApoAlaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's a fundamental economic principle that when supply exceeds demand for a good or service, prices fall. When demand exceeds supply, prices tend to rise. There is an inverse relationship between the supply and prices of goods and services when demand is unchanged.
Right sure, but that's not what's happening.
The claim was, "Bots are good because prices are low". But...do we have evidence that prices are indeed low? 😂
That claim can be proven. When Markath hit there was a ban wave for bots on PC. Usually prices rise around new DLCs/Addons, expecially with this release. The raise was much higher than expected and after 6 months the prices are still way beyond what they where pre Markath. Its unlikely that normal palyers all of a sudden gathered less so its very likely that the result partially came from the reduction in bot activities.
Not sure how many people are of this mindset but personally I stopped selling mats altogether a while back because it is a false economy.
The prices keep going up as gold devalues. I honestly don't know where all the gold is coming from but is clear that it is devaluing therefore I will only resume selling mats when I have enough of them accumulated that it is highly unlikely that I will ever burn through them.
If enough people have realised this - that gold devalues month on month while the rate at which we accrue and require mats remains unchanged - it could explain the prices remaining high and steadily climbing.
Less supply and devaluing currency I mean.
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Feaky✭✭✭I came across someone farming mudcrabs on the sentinel docks using 12 accounts stacked on top of each other with the same name distinguished only by "_1", "_2", etc.. 1 character was grabbing mudcrabs and pulling them over to the other 12 in a repeatable path. It sure looked like unattended bot farming to me, so I recorded it, then reported and sent the video to ZOS. Over the next several weeks, the bot farmer was there almost every day. I reported them a 2nd time a few weeks later, but after a few more weeks, they were still there.
My takeaway, ZOS doesn't care about bot farming.1
