Did Soul Trap just change? Or is this a bug?

SeaGtGruff

I just tried to soul-trap some mudcrabs to fill the empty soul gems I got from doing my writs, but nothing happened.

So I checked my Skills bar, and the slot where I'd had soul trap is blank.

So I checked my Soul Magic skill line, and the Soul Trap skill has been reset to level I and shows no experience earned on that skill yet.

Is this a bug?

SeaGtGruff

So I re-slotted Soul Trap it leveled up to IV really fast, and I can morph it again.

But does this mean I've lost forever the Skill Point that I'd previously expended to morph it?

PeterUnlustig

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

So I re-slotted Soul Trap it leveled up to IV really fast, and I can morph it again.

But does this mean I've lost forever the Skill Point that I'd previously expended to morph it?

no skill points are usually reset when they change something. Like when vamp got revamped everyone got their skillpoints spend back

Vevvev

Probably something related to this.

"Fixed an issue that could cause the experience bar for the Soul Magic skill line to display the incorrect amount of current experience for some characters."

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/550927/pc-mac-patch-notes-v6-2-5-markarth-update-28

Thala

Same here, and didn't got any refund for the Skill Point used to morph it before.

SeaGtGruff

My PC EU main was okay, but I haven't checked all of my alts on either server yet.

As for my PC NA main, I'm pretty sure I'd morphed it before, but I can't swear to that.

And I'm pretty sure my available Skill Points didn't increase by 1 for having a morphed ability reset to its beginning unmorphed state.

My PC EU main's Soul Trap was unmorphed-- which I believe was correct-- but it was still slotted and was still level IV.

MishMash

Yes, it is a bug. It also is Werewolf ult, and Sorc Crit Surge (so far).

ZOS_GinaBruno

Thanks for the info, all. As @MishMash mentioned, this is a bug and we're looking into it.

LanteanPegasus

@ZOS_GinaBruno
So should we hold off on sending in a bug ticket regarding this issue until further notice, or should we file one nonetheless?

I had a fully developed morph (Soul Splitting Trap IV), now I have nothing in the skill at all, and I can't say if I got any skill points back.

karthrag_inak

Every time this one changes zones, soul trap is cleared to 0 exp. Skill point for morph is lost as well.

Aiphaton

karthrag_inak wrote: »

Every time this one changes zones, soul trap is cleared to 0 exp. Skill point for morph is lost as well.

Yeah lost allready two skillpoints
Awh i love Patchdays - exspecially since Pts was fine in that regard...

SeaGtGruff

When I saw that mine was reset and thought I'd lost a Skill Point, I made sure to NOT spend another Skill Point to morph it again, because I was afraid I might lose that one, too. Better safe than sorry until we know it's fixed.

karthrag_inak

So what will be done about lost skill points?

zaria

karthrag_inak wrote: »

So what will be done about lost skill points?

Probably returned with the patch as its pretty easy to see how many skill points you should have.
Game need to keep track of all the skyshards and quests who give them so you don't get double so simply recalculate this correct it.

SeaGtGruff

I still haven't checked any of my alts since Sunday, but my theory is that if Soul Trap had been morphed-- possibly to just one of the two versions and not the other one-- then the skill got reset and the Skill Point was lost.

The reason I'm suggesting this is because I'm pretty sure my PC EU main had NOT morphed Soul Trap IV, due to not having as many Skill Points available to spend, and his Soul Trap IV skill was still slotted and wasn't reset by the update.

But I'm pretty sure that my PC NA main HAD morphed Soul Trap IV-- although it was so long ago that I can't remember which of the two morphs I chose for him-- and the skill got removed from his skill bar, reset to Soul Trap I, and I lost that Skill Point. But since his Soul Trap leveled back up to IV-- which took almost no time at all, just filling a few soul gems-- I've left his Soul Trap IV skill unmorphed because I don't want to risk losing another Skill Point. I've changed zones numerous times and have not experienced the issue mentioned by others where the skill keeps getting reset and yet another Skill Point lost each time you change zones, so maybe the fact that I left it unmorphed is why it's been okay for me since the initial problem.

SeaGtGruff

zaria wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

So what will be done about lost skill points?

Probably returned with the patch as its pretty easy to see how many skill points you should have.
Game need to keep track of all the skyshards and quests who give them so you don't get double so simply recalculate this correct it.

I hope they don't simply compare the number of our Skill Points before the update with our current number, because yesterday I gained 1 SP from doing a dungeon I'd never done before.

virtus753

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

So what will be done about lost skill points?

Probably returned with the patch as its pretty easy to see how many skill points you should have.
Game need to keep track of all the skyshards and quests who give them so you don't get double so simply recalculate this correct it.

I hope they don't simply compare the number of our Skill Points before the update with our current number, because yesterday I gained 1 SP from doing a dungeon I'd never done before.

There is a way to see how many you’ve earned total, in real time. (We can do this ourselves with add-ons, so they definitely have access to that number on their end.) By comparing that number you have earned in the moment (not from when the patch dropped) to the number showing as invested + available on your toon, they can figure out how many you’re owed without having to rely on outdated info.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

I don't like the advice they are giving in the sticky post about the issues:

"Please hold off on re-morphing for the time being due to the risk of losing a skill point"

So, what am I expected to do? Not play with that skill until they get around to fixing it?

Splitting soul trap is a reasonably low cost AoE+DoT skill I use a lot to draw and hold aggro of large groups, a "soft group taunt" of sorts. The unmorphed version does nothing to assist with that.

I have a couple of skill points to spare, so I'm re-morphing to play the characters that were affected without impediment while they work on a fix. They took that skill point with the bug, and it's their responsibility to give it back. They can't reasonably expect everyone to read the forum post and follow that advice.

virtus753

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

I don't like the advice they are giving in the sticky post about the issues:

"Please hold off on re-morphing for the time being due to the risk of losing a skill point"

So, what am I expected to do? Not play with that skill until they get around to fixing it?

Splitting soul trap is a reasonably low cost AoE+DoT skill I use a lot to draw and hold aggro of large groups, a "soft group taunt" of sorts. The unmorphed version does nothing to assist with that.

I have a couple of skill points to spare, so I'm re-morphing to play the characters that were affected without impediment while they work on a fix. They took that skill point with the bug, and it's their responsibility to give it back. They can't reasonably expect everyone to read the forum post and follow that advice.

Unfortunately they do expect us not to remorph it. Just like they expect us to put up with being unable to morph werewolf or to weave effectively or to finish the Q4 DLC story (for the second year in a row now). They have release deadlines to meet and a history of cleaning up major issues after the fact. To an extent this is the trend these days with games as a service. Release now, fix (or finish) later.

rpa

Problem being, if you relevel and remorph a buggedly reset skill by some reports it can revert back when you change zone. Without refunding the skill point. So it's a good idea to not mess with it before the bug is fixed.

I myself have been gathering mats, skyshards, delves, wayshrines and gear traits and collecting random set pieces with occasional harrowstorm and wb since the patch. Harmless stuff todo anyway at some point.

zaria

virtus753 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

So what will be done about lost skill points?

Probably returned with the patch as its pretty easy to see how many skill points you should have.
Game need to keep track of all the skyshards and quests who give them so you don't get double so simply recalculate this correct it.

I hope they don't simply compare the number of our Skill Points before the update with our current number, because yesterday I gained 1 SP from doing a dungeon I'd never done before.

There is a way to see how many you’ve earned total, in real time. (We can do this ourselves with add-ons, so they definitely have access to that number on their end.) By comparing that number you have earned in the moment (not from when the patch dropped) to the number showing as invested + available on your toon, they can figure out how many you’re owed without having to rely on outdated info.

This, it might have to wait until next update to get it back.
Say they forgot who dungeon quests you got, in that case the quests and skill points would be free to pick up again.

Adremal

virtus753 wrote: »

They have release deadlines to meet and a history of cleaning up major issues after the fact.

So long as they do clean them up and not leave us with permanently gimped characters, I can live with that... day 1 bugfests seem to be the norm in most games nowadays. What concerns me is the possibility of those points being lost forever - that'd be preposterous.

etchedpixels

Adremal wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

They have release deadlines to meet and a history of cleaning up major issues after the fact.

So long as they do clean them up and not leave us with permanently gimped characters, I can live with that... day 1 bugfests seem to be the norm in most games nowadays. What concerns me is the possibility of those points being lost forever - that'd be preposterous.

If that happens file a ticket. If they get enough tickets it'll be cheaper to run a tool over the database and restore any lost skill points than process all the tickets.

However given even client side tools like uspf can figure out how many skill points and what if any are missing I'm sure they have the ability to fix this one up.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Aaaand the skill reset again when I changed zones, this time all the way back to level I unmorphed. Screw this, I'm logging off until they fix this.

furiouslog

This is still a problem. ZOS, is this getting addressed?

Nirntrotter

I want my soul-splitting trap back pretty please, preferably without losing that skill point I already invested.

SeaGtGruff

I'm just leaving it unmorphed for now, "just in case." I had left it unmorphed on most of my characters, anyway; it was just on my PC NA main that I'd morphed it. But yeah, it will be nice when we're all sure that there are no lingering issues with this.

HowellQagan

Hello, any news about getting that skill point back? Because I still haven't. Now I have 2 skill points missing, one due to this.
I have not morphed it again until the fix was out but the original skill point that was lost from having it forcibly unmorphed was still not added back.
Another skill point was also missing from before (way before...), when public dungeon achievements bugged out sometimes and did not award them.
If I add up all of my earned skill points, I get 418 but I only have 416 to spend. It's a little bit annoying.

tomofhyrule

HowellQagan wrote: »

Hello, any news about getting that skill point back? Because I still haven't. Now I have 2 skill points missing, one due to this.
I have not morphed it again until the fix was out but the original skill point that was lost from having it forcibly unmorphed was still not added back.
Another skill point was also missing from before (way before...), when public dungeon achievements bugged out sometimes and did not award them.
If I add up all of my earned skill points, I get 418 but I only have 416 to spend. It's a little bit annoying.

There's a thread pinned at the top of this forum that gives all the details on this fix. It's coming in the next patch.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/558109/missing-skill-point-investigation-resolution/p1

HowellQagan

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There's a thread pinned at the top of this forum that gives all the details on this fix. It's coming in the next patch.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/558109/missing-skill-point-investigation-resolution/p1

Oops. I'll be honest, didn't even check there, forum search always gave me totally irrelevant results so I just search for keywords on google with site:forums.elderscrollsonline.com added...

Thank you.

zaria

On any stamina builds consuming trap is an pretty free dot who also work as VO as in give stamina on death.
Its an shame that some boss fights don't have adds