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Do you enjoy the proc set meta in PvP?
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xillion✭✭NoIMO the ESO gameplay designers are geniuses! They got a very vast niche of gamers, the ret...ded one!
First time in my life, I really want my money back for buying a game, that's how unsatisfied I am!Edited by xillion on October 24, 2020 8:10PM2 -
MentalxHammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭IMO the ESO gameplay designers are geniuses! They got a very vast niche of gamers, the ret...ded one!
First time in my life, I really want my money back for buying a game, that's how unsatisfied I am!
Please listen to your player base ZOS, the MMO market is literally gaping open, just pay attention to the people playing this game and it will be easy capital.Edited by MentalxHammer on October 25, 2020 2:28AM0 -
Rhaegar75✭✭✭✭✭Noa rather skill-less and irritating meta: the 'right' gear will do the job leaving the player with a lesser role.Edited by Rhaegar75 on October 25, 2020 6:55PM2 -
MirandaSharp✭✭✭✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »Let's not ruin pve sets for pvp again please
Perhaps separate procs in tooltip "against player" and "against enemy" to mean PvP vs PvE.. ?0 -
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✭NoHate it. I decided to try out the Venom+Venom combo on my sniper yesterday just to see how stupid it is. Added Sellistrix just to have 3 sets proc from one button. It's extremely effective. I quickly realized I only needed poison arrow and nothing else for single targets. On the flip side, I didn't snipe anyone since snipe is a lot weaker than poison injection when you're geared for triple procs.
It's by far the most effective way to PvP on a ranged stamblade. It's also by far the most braindead and boring way of playing as I at least used multiple attack skills on other snipe based builds. You press 1 button on multiple targets, cloak, buff up even tho you really don't need it. But it does break the monotomy.
I even tried it on one of my craft mule stamblades which had exactly 12 skills leveled, including poison arrow. It lacks a lot of the passives you should have for PvP and/or PvE, and haven't been outside of the crafting area in ages. I got so many killing blows with it despite how poorly built it is for PvP, and rarely died.
Proc sets are way way too strong. Either bring up non proc sets to the same power level, or nerf the proc sets or give them harder to meet conditions.Edited by Bucky_13 on October 25, 2020 10:24PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YesI like it because I like OP things.
Doesnt mean its fair, just that i enjoy it2 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes^
Group queue is going to be hilarious. Hardly anybody gets a Healer on their team in this solo queue. It's going to be much different from what we experience today, I think.
Still I'm all for giving procs co-efficients like skills have. This is the best long term solution, I think.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast1 -
Recapitated✭✭✭✭NoUrzigurumash wrote: »^
Still I'm all for giving procs co-efficients like skills have. This is the best long term solution, I think.
I keep going back and forth on this. Yes, you lose one 5-piece bonus per proc set so there wouldn't be as much power behind the DOTs. You might be missing out on 600-900 WD or something like that if you're using two stat sets like Powerful Assault, Seventh Legion or Clever Alchemist. Maybe 1.2k if you include multipliers just to be conservative.
But three DOTs scaling off 3k WD is still going to be stronger than 1 scaling off 4.2k. Still a lot of frontloaded pressure compared to using one ability per cooldown.
If a stamDK tries to put PI, Breath, and Claw on you, any of those that you dodge will not apply. If a stamDK tries to put PI and two proc sets on you in those three GCDs, they're going to be able to unless you dodge all three PIs and there's no difference in the resource cost between the two approaches.
Maybe if there was more of a punish for hits that *would* trigger a proc set but which get blocked or dodged things would be different.
It honestly is a tough question. Coefficients would deal with health/regen stacking but stacking proc sets would still be useful unless the tooltip is so low that proc sets aren't useful at all no matter how much WD you pack in. A cooldown between sets is probably complicated to implement. Not sure what the solution is.
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Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesRecapitated wrote: »If a stamDK tries to put PI, Breath, and Claw on you, any of those that you dodge will not apply. If a stamDK tries to put PI and two proc sets on you in those three GCDs, they're going to be able to unless you dodge all three PIs and there's no difference in the resource cost between the two approaches.
True, but if the target has a Healer on their team that is purging DOTs, you can re-apply PI, Claw, and Breath whenever you want, but not the 2 proc sets until their cooldown is up.
All good points though. I haven't really done any math to explore this idea, but the underlying logic seems sounds. That many procs can be activated without devoting an additional GCD to them should be balanced out by their cooldown and your inability to re-activate the proc when you want. Of course some proc sets are already quite balanced in PvP - most of the Arena weapon procs aren't worthwhile on a 50k health build, in my experience - obviously of course the BRP 2h and Bow, which are already percentile rather than a flat value.
Edited by Urzigurumash on October 26, 2020 1:05AMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast1 -
Recapitated✭✭✭✭NoUrzigurumash wrote: »Recapitated wrote: »If a stamDK tries to put PI, Breath, and Claw on you, any of those that you dodge will not apply. If a stamDK tries to put PI and two proc sets on you in those three GCDs, they're going to be able to unless you dodge all three PIs and there's no difference in the resource cost between the two approaches.
True, but if the target has a Healer on their team that is purging DOTs, you can re-apply PI, Claw, and Breath whenever you want, but not the 2 proc sets until their cooldown is up.
Yep, true. I definitely wouldn't be unhappy if ZOS came out with coefficients and said "we understand that guaranteed procs do weird things to how your damage is distributed across short encounters VS what happens in front of a target dummy regardless of scaling, we'll be keeping an eye on whether the initial combined pressure is balanced out by lower damage output from your other abilities".1 -
techyeshic✭✭✭✭✭NoThe entire game is obnoxious. Abilities don't work even though they are running restrictive tests and everywhere you go, you have gaggles of people just trying to get all their procs to land in unison hopefully even with a stun at the same time you can't break free from.
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[Edited to remove Rude and Non-Constructive Comments]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on October 27, 2020 2:17PM3 -
d3adpain✭✭✭Noofc i can finally be competitive by spamming poison injection
you don't know how hard it to play it2 -
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✭NoMirandaSharp wrote: »i hate metas, and i dont like some sets, but i disagree that proc sets are a problem.
i love that we get new sets in eso every patch it keeps the game exciting and new.
sory, just honest feedback.
I find the 'one-shot' maxed out crit builds the most annoying... Set procs just give me an -"Uh, oh! Better get out of range quickly!", but I survive and can get back. Ranged builds should pretty much never really have an issue with proccers as they usually stand too far away to get caught by it..
This is exactly correct point of view. CRIT has always been the most toxic, OP, ridiculous aspect of PVP. They best possible change they could make in the whole game would be to eliminate all Crit from PVP completely, but leave it alone in PVE. Then they can tone down the Proc sets a little bit damage wise, but allow proc sets to crit in PVE. Would solve most 'balance' problems, make PVE still fun and make PVP less toxic, and be super simple ti fix with battle spirit.
The same crits that are completely removed by malacath, single most op set in current pvp? Crits are bae in PvE, in pvp they were niche for a long time. There are almost no builds that build around crit in PvP. Impen was always one of the greatest and cheapest form of mitigation in pvp that hurts crit builds. The most known crit builds were bombers with Acuity so definietely a minority3 -
MirandaSharp✭✭✭✭Proc sets are way way too strong. Either bring up non proc sets to the same power level, or nerf the proc sets or give them harder to meet conditions.
Just separate "enemy"(PvE) from "Player"(PvP) in the tooltip on the sets. That way PvP won't be affected by the PvE sets and PvE won't be affected by the PvP sets.. Simple change in terminology on the sets... "Enemy" should not be "player" as it is now.0 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭NoAm I right this is the worst patch by community vote since relaese ? . like 85% of forum pvp community do not like this proc meta patch... and despite this ZOS did not take any action? ..1
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notyuu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Noobviously it's hated, but then again I play stamplar so I can't exactly pvp this patch...or the upcoming patch...here's hoping templar gets un-*** in q1 2021 patch0 -
Sylosi✭✭✭✭✭Doesn't really matter, ESO has always been about cheese, it isn't the major problem that caused PvP in this game to die off.Edited by Sylosi on October 29, 2020 11:51AM1
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Joinovikova✭✭✭✭Noobviously it's hated, but then again I play stamplar so I can't exactly pvp this patch...or the upcoming patch...here's hoping templar gets un-*** in q1 2021 patch
u can play stamplar as any stamina class put two dots sets equip bow and LA poison injection .. its stupidity and boring but it works on all clases.... u can also use RAT to gain mobility and u have access to clean so .. I think ZOS just check Steam charts and see CS as most played game so they think how to make FPS on ESO and they nearly success
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✭✭NoJoinovikova wrote: »obviously it's hated, but then again I play stamplar so I can't exactly pvp this patch...or the upcoming patch...here's hoping templar gets un-*** in q1 2021 patch
u can play stamplar as any stamina class put two dots sets equip bow and LA poison injection .. its stupidity and boring but it works on all clases.... u can also use RAT to gain mobility and u have access to clean so .. I think ZOS just check Steam charts and see CS as most played game so they think how to make FPS on ESO and they nearly success
tried that, works a million times better on nb than stamplar..0 -
techyeshic✭✭✭✭✭NoJoinovikova wrote: »obviously it's hated, but then again I play stamplar so I can't exactly pvp this patch...or the upcoming patch...here's hoping templar gets un-*** in q1 2021 patch
u can play stamplar as any stamina class put two dots sets equip bow and LA poison injection .. its stupidity and boring but it works on all clases.... u can also use RAT to gain mobility and u have access to clean so .. I think ZOS just check Steam charts and see CS as most played game so they think how to make FPS on ESO and they nearly success
tried that, works a million times better on nb than stamplar..
Yeah utility like shade and cloak, or streak, or Warden range shield, or necro passives go a long way.0 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭NoJoinovikova wrote: »obviously it's hated, but then again I play stamplar so I can't exactly pvp this patch...or the upcoming patch...here's hoping templar gets un-*** in q1 2021 patch
u can play stamplar as any stamina class put two dots sets equip bow and LA poison injection .. its stupidity and boring but it works on all clases.... u can also use RAT to gain mobility and u have access to clean so .. I think ZOS just check Steam charts and see CS as most played game so they think how to make FPS on ESO and they nearly success
tried that, works a million times better on nb than stamplar..
yes it works better but its playable..0 -
synaSoul ShrivenNoNo.
It is the stupidest thing I have ever seen in any MMO; endgame and PVP should be based on skills. This isn't even RNG, procs are guaranteed lmao.
I'm done, I'm not paying for this anymore1 -
MentalxHammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭No.
It is the stupidest thing I have ever seen in any MMO; endgame and PVP should be based on skills. This isn't even RNG, procs are guaranteed lmao.
I'm done, I'm not paying for this anymore
Agreed. I just took a 3 month break from ESO, excited and invigorated to begin playing again. Within 3 weeks I already have lost all motivation to continue on with this game, I dont know how the meta is more toxic than it was when I left.
It used to be that if you were skilled you could 1vx many targets with proper positioning to avoid damage. Now, any proc set Andy can light attack you one time and have 3x sets cascade damage on to you. Slot purge you say? Oh no! The Proc set Andy just light attacked me again and all 3 proc sets are instantly reapplied, but my stamplar has no more mag. Time to log off.Edited by MentalxHammer on October 31, 2020 5:39PM2 -
Mrtoobyy✭✭✭✭NoMentalxHammer wrote: »No.
It is the stupidest thing I have ever seen in any MMO; endgame and PVP should be based on skills. This isn't even RNG, procs are guaranteed lmao.
I'm done, I'm not paying for this anymore
Agreed. I just took a 3 month break from ESO, excited and invigorated to begin playing again. Within 3 weeks I already have lost all motivation to continue on with this game, I dont know how the meta is more toxic than it was when I left.
It used to be that if you were skilled you could 1vx many targets with proper positioning to avoid damage. Now, any proc set Andy can light attack you one time and have 3x sets cascade damage on to you. Slot purge you say? Oh no! The Proc set Andy just light attacked me again and all 3 proc sets are instantly reapplied, but my stamplar has no more mag. Time to log off.
Templar main here since Beta. And I just wanted to say that I feel you and I agrer with you.
I've taken a break for some weeks now. Probably just going to level up my alts and explore the scenery in Markarth when I log in again. No pvp or no "end game" stuff. Just some casual roaming0 -
Joinovikova✭✭✭✭No
unfortenly ZOS ignore the community feedback 86% do not like current proc meta and no no changes response just silence from ZOS. if it was 60 :40 ok... 70:30 hard to say but 86:14 where is treshold of any reaction ? 95:5 ?MentalxHammer wrote: »No.
It is the stupidest thing I have ever seen in any MMO; endgame and PVP should be based on skills. This isn't even RNG, procs are guaranteed lmao.
I'm done, I'm not paying for this anymore
Agreed. I just took a 3 month break from ESO, excited and invigorated to begin playing again. Within 3 weeks I already have lost all motivation to continue on with this game, I dont know how the meta is more toxic than it was when I left.
It used to be that if you were skilled you could 1vx many targets with proper positioning to avoid damage. Now, any proc set Andy can light attack you one time and have 3x sets cascade damage on to you. Slot purge you say? Oh no! The Proc set Andy just light attacked me again and all 3 proc sets are instantly reapplied, but my stamplar has no more mag. Time to log off.
Templar main here since Beta. And I just wanted to say that I feel you and I agrer with you.
I've taken a break for some weeks now. Probably just going to level up my alts and explore the scenery in Markarth when I log in again. No pvp or no "end game" stuff. Just some casual roaming1
