Why should I play mag if you can play stam???

UntouchableHunter

mag vc stam

burst? stam
heals? stam (high Weapon Damage)
resistence? stam (medium armor vs light armor

So why I should play mag?

ZOS must balance this, My stamcro, stamden, stamdk, stamplar, stamblade are to much stronger than my mags....

Ringing_Nirnroot

Because there’s content that isn’t melee/stam friendly and “mAg iS mEtA (I main a stamplar, still haven’t converted to mag lol)

JayKwellen

HorkerSlay3r wrote: »

Because there’s content that isn’t melee/stam friendly and “mAg iS mEtA (I main a stamplar, still haven’t converted to mag lol)

@HorkerSlay3r This is the PvP forum though.

Outside of healing/support, stam typically outclasses mag in everything relating to sustain, damage and burst, self-healing, buff management, and survivability. Generally speaking (possible exceptions for magsorc and niche things like snare spamming magdens or harmony magcros), almost anything a mag class can do it's stamina equivalent can do better.

Ringing_Nirnroot

JayKwellen wrote: »

HorkerSlay3r wrote: »

Because there’s content that isn’t melee/stam friendly and “mAg iS mEtA (I main a stamplar, still haven’t converted to mag lol)

@HorkerSlay3r This is the PvP forum though.

Outside of healing/support, stam typically outclasses mag in everything relating to sustain, damage and burst, self-healing, buff management, and survivability. Generally speaking (possible exceptions for magsorc and niche things like snare spamming magdens or harmony magcros), almost anything a mag class can do it's stamina equivalent can do better.

Didn’t know srry

Rhaegar75

even the proc sets favour stamina!!

Hakkanistorm

Honestly .... Stam is better because he can dodge a lot.
all 3 stam weapon specializations have execution
2H weapons have a stun that is not worth resources.
resource recovery stam is much higher than mage.
And of course a bunch of proc sets that release every update for STAM

Raammzzaa

If you look at the group compositions of most of the highly organized PvP groups in ESO (i.e. “ball groups”) recently they have been highly tilted toward mag. If you play solo though, or Zerg surf, then stam is often a good option.

Joinovikova

JayKwellen wrote: »

HorkerSlay3r wrote: »

Because there’s content that isn’t melee/stam friendly and “mAg iS mEtA (I main a stamplar, still haven’t converted to mag lol)

@HorkerSlay3r This is the PvP forum though.

Outside of healing/support, stam typically outclasses mag in everything relating to sustain, damage and burst, self-healing, buff management, and survivability. Generally speaking (possible exceptions for magsorc and niche things like snare spamming magdens or harmony magcros), almost anything a mag class can do it's stamina equivalent can do better.

mag sorc is not exception stam sorc easily outclaased by far not even comparable .. I was shocked by stam sorc presure potential mainly with sheer+venom have presure agins group simmiliar to magsorc one target only presure .. something must be change..

Ecfigies

Joinovikova wrote: »

JayKwellen wrote: »

HorkerSlay3r wrote: »

Because there’s content that isn’t melee/stam friendly and “mAg iS mEtA (I main a stamplar, still haven’t converted to mag lol)

@HorkerSlay3r This is the PvP forum though.

Outside of healing/support, stam typically outclasses mag in everything relating to sustain, damage and burst, self-healing, buff management, and survivability. Generally speaking (possible exceptions for magsorc and niche things like snare spamming magdens or harmony magcros), almost anything a mag class can do it's stamina equivalent can do better.

mag sorc is not exception stam sorc easily outclaased by far not even comparable .. I was shocked by stam sorc presure potential mainly with sheer+venom have presure agins group simmiliar to magsorc one target only presure .. something must be change..

I shall call for a buff to Mag Sorc!!!

But really, no. sheer+venom it's a pressure with any class, if put on a 'magicka dk bow build', it will work.

Xiomaro

Raammzzaa wrote: »

If you look at the group compositions of most of the highly organized PvP groups in ESO (i.e. “ball groups”) recently they have been highly tilted toward mag. If you play solo though, or Zerg surf, then stam is often a good option.

Mag definitely has more team support options which is what makes it good for ball groups. Cyrodiil isn't the only PVP, though. Stam is also highly favoured in IC and BGs, too.

Ecfigies wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

JayKwellen wrote: »

HorkerSlay3r wrote: »

Because there’s content that isn’t melee/stam friendly and “mAg iS mEtA (I main a stamplar, still haven’t converted to mag lol)

@HorkerSlay3r This is the PvP forum though.

Outside of healing/support, stam typically outclasses mag in everything relating to sustain, damage and burst, self-healing, buff management, and survivability. Generally speaking (possible exceptions for magsorc and niche things like snare spamming magdens or harmony magcros), almost anything a mag class can do it's stamina equivalent can do better.

mag sorc is not exception stam sorc easily outclaased by far not even comparable .. I was shocked by stam sorc presure potential mainly with sheer+venom have presure agins group simmiliar to magsorc one target only presure .. something must be change..

I shall call for a buff to Mag Sorc!!!

But really, no. sheer+venom it's a pressure with any class, if put on a 'magicka dk bow build', it will work.

Stam Sorc is uniquely strong with proc builds because of the mobility. You can give up all your defense, run Swift jewellery, well-fitted armour, 3 procs and Malacath and do absurd damage while being incredibly hard to punish.

DK, Warden and Necro can all use it too but they pay for it with lower healing, lower resistances etc. These classes tend to run stuff like Crimson Twilight that compliments their class kit a lot better but doesn't have the ridiculous pressure that a proc Sorc can put out.

Nightblade is similarly strong for similar reasons to Stam Sorc. You can give up all your defenses, run procs and crutch on your Shade and stealth for survival.

Joinovikova

Ecfigies wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

JayKwellen wrote: »

HorkerSlay3r wrote: »

Because there’s content that isn’t melee/stam friendly and “mAg iS mEtA (I main a stamplar, still haven’t converted to mag lol)

@HorkerSlay3r This is the PvP forum though.

Outside of healing/support, stam typically outclasses mag in everything relating to sustain, damage and burst, self-healing, buff management, and survivability. Generally speaking (possible exceptions for magsorc and niche things like snare spamming magdens or harmony magcros), almost anything a mag class can do it's stamina equivalent can do better.

mag sorc is not exception stam sorc easily outclaased by far not even comparable .. I was shocked by stam sorc presure potential mainly with sheer+venom have presure agins group simmiliar to magsorc one target only presure .. something must be change..

I shall call for a buff to Mag Sorc!!!

But really, no. sheer+venom it's a pressure with any class, if put on a 'magicka dk bow build', it will work.

... no it will not work even close to effectivens on stam buiild... mag has onlibion foe and icy conjuctor nbut its simply weaker by far...

Jierdanit

Joinovikova wrote: »

Ecfigies wrote: »

Joinovikova wrote: »

JayKwellen wrote: »

HorkerSlay3r wrote: »

Because there’s content that isn’t melee/stam friendly and “mAg iS mEtA (I main a stamplar, still haven’t converted to mag lol)

@HorkerSlay3r This is the PvP forum though.

Outside of healing/support, stam typically outclasses mag in everything relating to sustain, damage and burst, self-healing, buff management, and survivability. Generally speaking (possible exceptions for magsorc and niche things like snare spamming magdens or harmony magcros), almost anything a mag class can do it's stamina equivalent can do better.

mag sorc is not exception stam sorc easily outclaased by far not even comparable .. I was shocked by stam sorc presure potential mainly with sheer+venom have presure agins group simmiliar to magsorc one target only presure .. something must be change..

I shall call for a buff to Mag Sorc!!!

But really, no. sheer+venom it's a pressure with any class, if put on a 'magicka dk bow build', it will work.

... no it will not work even close to effectivens on stam buiild... mag has onlibion foe and icy conjuctor nbut its simply weaker by far...

I think he meant that he could just slap Sheer Venom and Venomous Smite (or Syvarras) with a bow on a magDK and it would work.
After that it ofc certainly is not a magDK anymore, but it would sadly probably work since you really only need Poison Injection + those proc sets and you do insane damage.

Ragnaroek93

I only find magden, magcro and magnb underperforming in PvP and the only stam classes which are really overperforming are warden and necro. Like seriously, these two are far ahead of everything else right now.

BaiterOfZergs

Feel like stam and mag both have their place. None of that really matters because both versions currently just abuse sets that need to be removed from the game.

UntouchableHunter

Raammzzaa wrote: »

If you look at the group compositions of most of the highly organized PvP groups in ESO (i.e. “ball groups”) recently they have been highly tilted toward mag. If you play solo though, or Zerg surf, then stam is often a good option.

I agree. When I'm playing with my magdk and I have one Stamwhatever with me we is a easy play because Stam have executioner.

When I'm alone against any mag I a good fight. But when I fight a Stam (especially necro and Warden) if the player is good is almost impossible to kill.

I think zos should make some changes.
It is really OK Stam reach more WD
It is really ok Stam have resistance with medium armor.
It is OK Stam have a execution skills really strong it is make sense.

But they should make mag have more heals and maybe more recovery than Stam.

xshatox

For PVP stam is generally way better. PVE is preferable than stam. When playing mag I tried to play at range since basically we are *** when stam get close. Good luck finding progressive content group with stam especially melee stam. You can find it but geneally they prefer mag.

Sergykid

perma roll dodge is what is making stam so strong. Specs like magnb which have nothing that can hit dodging targets, can't hit with anything. Meanwhile the perma rollers will have their procs do the damage.

and i've seen more without proc sets actually, just roll around until dawnbreaker is ready and burst down.

JinxxND

Raammzzaa wrote: »

If you look at the group compositions of most of the highly organized PvP groups in ESO (i.e. “ball groups”) recently they have been highly tilted toward mag. If you play solo though, or Zerg surf, then stam is often a good option.

This, large scale favors mag smaller scale favors stam although that is generally speaking and there are exceptions

Waffennacht

They need to make a viable magicka execute ability

katorga

Waffennacht wrote: »

They need to make a viable magicka execute ability

It won't change the fact that running out of stam equals dead. Running out of magicka, not so much.

You even the playing field by making block, dodge, sprint and break free use the lowest resource pool.

Today's stamina players would have a real eye opener if they had to manage their 11K mag pool like magicka players have to manage their stamina pool, lol.

Dunning_Kruger

katorga wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

They need to make a viable magicka execute ability

It won't change the fact that running out of stam equals dead. Running out of magicka, not so much.

You even the playing field by making block, dodge, sprint and break free use the lowest resource pool.

Today's stamina players would have a real eye opener if they had to manage their 11K mag pool like magicka players have to manage their stamina pool, lol.

Eh they would just run EV and candy skulls with tri glyphs and have 18k mag with 1100 mag reco before tri pot.

Waffennacht

katorga wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

They need to make a viable magicka execute ability

It won't change the fact that running out of stam equals dead. Running out of magicka, not so much.

You even the playing field by making block, dodge, sprint and break free use the lowest resource pool.

Today's stamina players would have a real eye opener if they had to manage their 11K mag pool like magicka players have to manage their stamina pool, lol.

You should always have stam for Break free etc no matter the build.

If any character is struggling to sustain its a build/player issue

SodanTok

Novel idea but try playing whats most fun. Its that simple. If you are playing what you have most fun playing you wont have time to go on forum complaining about something better.

Unless of course complaining on forum is fun on it own lol, then welcome to the group.

UntouchableHunter

SodanTok wrote: »

Novel idea but try playing whats most fun. Its that simple. If you are playing what you have most fun playing you wont have time to go on forum complaining about something better.

Unless of course complaining on forum is fun on it own lol, then welcome to the group.

😁 Is it really fun complaing on forum.

And is it really fun play with mag classes.

But could be better with ZOS balance mag and Stam. Could be fun and fair. But now is not fair at all

katorga

Dunning_Kruger wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

They need to make a viable magicka execute ability

It won't change the fact that running out of stam equals dead. Running out of magicka, not so much.

You even the playing field by making block, dodge, sprint and break free use the lowest resource pool.

Today's stamina players would have a real eye opener if they had to manage their 11K mag pool like magicka players have to manage their stamina pool, lol.

Eh they would just run EV and candy skulls with tri glyphs and have 18k mag with 1100 mag reco before tri pot.

That is the entire point. Other than cloak-crazy stamblades, how many stam builds have to even worry about their off stat, much less dedicate a set and food to it?

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

I wouldn't say magicka is bad, but certainly there is classes where stamina is way better. I don't think many would try to deny the power of a magplar in heavy armor with sword and board backbar. They can just block cast through all damage and then smite you in seconds. They just got to bring the other magicka specs up to that level of power. I seen a magplar ganker that was making even me envious of his burst combo from stealth. I don't know what he was running, but he was killing people in one less gcd then I can with snipe, so it certainly works. Then you got the niche magicka builds like bomb blades that absolutely destroy the balance of the game. I don't want to hear "SNIPE OP" while bomb blades are going around blowing up entire zergs.... I am probably going to swap from stamina to magicka on my nb just for that.

SshadowSscale

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't say magicka is bad, but certainly there is classes where stamina is way better. I don't think many would try to deny the power of a magplar in heavy armor with sword and board backbar. They can just block cast through all damage and then smite you in seconds. They just got to bring the other magicka specs up to that level of power. I seen a magplar ganker that was making even me envious of his burst combo from stealth. I don't know what he was running, but he was killing people in one less gcd then I can with snipe, so it certainly works. Then you got the niche magicka builds like bomb blades that absolutely destroy the balance of the game. I don't want to hear "SNIPE OP" while bomb blades are going around blowing up entire zergs.... I am probably going to swap from stamina to magicka on my nb just for that.

bombing is way harder and more risky than sitting at max range spamming snipe into someone.... bombing takes a lot more setup and one stealth detect or revealing flare etc can really ruin your day

Dunning_Kruger

I main stam but I do believe mag needs some definite love.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

SshadowSscale wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't say magicka is bad, but certainly there is classes where stamina is way better. I don't think many would try to deny the power of a magplar in heavy armor with sword and board backbar. They can just block cast through all damage and then smite you in seconds. They just got to bring the other magicka specs up to that level of power. I seen a magplar ganker that was making even me envious of his burst combo from stealth. I don't know what he was running, but he was killing people in one less gcd then I can with snipe, so it certainly works. Then you got the niche magicka builds like bomb blades that absolutely destroy the balance of the game. I don't want to hear "SNIPE OP" while bomb blades are going around blowing up entire zergs.... I am probably going to swap from stamina to magicka on my nb just for that.

bombing is way harder and more risky than sitting at max range spamming snipe into someone.... bombing takes a lot more setup and one stealth detect or revealing flare etc can really ruin your day

But you also get 20x more kills. Only thing hard about it is finding a group to bomb. I would say the setup is about that same as a sniper, maybe even less if the bomber isn't using simmering frenzy. Apply buffs->boom combo vs apply buffs->simmering frenzy to low hp->Snipe combo. That sniper combo is also only really good against potatoes where as a bomber could easily catch multiple good players in a bomb. Agree to disagree, but imo bomber>sniper.

ImSoPro

Cause magsorc is alpha

WaywardArgonian

Regardless of the meta I've always preferred having the range of magicka builds. Of course, now there are tons of bow snipers about so it's more of a moot point, but I do feel like a lot of those snipers have a bit of a straightforward playing style.

One thing that does screw me over now more than anything as a magicka player is the perma roll dodge on some stam specs. To my knowledge, there are few ways to counter it. People also like to complain about Nightblade invisibility, but at least in that case there is a clear counter-play you can put to the table, whether it's revealing flare, radiant magelight or detect pots, all of which are available to every class. But fighting a stamblade that has access to cloak and dodge roll? For me, that's when it starts sucking the fun out of fights.