Update 28 Game Performance Preview

RMerlin

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Out of the first three weeks of tests, the global cooldown test resulted in the greatest performance gains when compared to the others (roughly 25% increase in server performance).

The first test results are totally invalid since you ran it at the same time as the Imperial City event. I remember the Gray Host campaign never got population locked during that week, maybe only during the weekend nights. It was pretty much a ghost town the whole week.

Colecovision

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Update 28 Preview
For Update 28, we have the following initiatives coming:

[*] Note: These optimizations are console ONLY.

If this works, why isn't it being applied to PC?

Firstmep

What about the rampant positional desync issues since update 25? When can we expect those to be addressed? It's causing a lot of issues with abilities missing or getting hit by them randomly.
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Aegonnn

On PC-NA...

forthwinds wrote: »

On PC/NA there were never 2 factions poplocked at a time during the first week of testing. I highly doubt, even if there was one campaign that reached pop lock across, that there were huge faction fights like in the other weeks of testing. This is because Test 1 was during the Imperial City Event. The devs also have to realize that putting cooldowns in this game will ruin it and completely change the core combat.

A lot of us play this game because the combat is amazing compared to other MMOs. If you go through with putting cooldowns in this game, there's no reason why people would stay here vs. another MMO that has better performance. It's pretty sad that this change to core combat is even being discussed over 5 years after release.

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RMerlin wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Out of the first three weeks of tests, the global cooldown test resulted in the greatest performance gains when compared to the others (roughly 25% increase in server performance).

The first test results are totally invalid since you ran it at the same time as the Imperial City event. I remember the Gray Host campaign never got population locked during that week, maybe only during the weekend nights. It was pretty much a ghost town the whole week.

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techyeshic

I have not seen anything that tells me the past 2 weeks are any better, and the first week was dead. I think acting with any of the 6 will not bring any favorable results and will only alienate players.

techyeshic

BTW; does this count as the promised post on the plan going forward from the tests? Just kind of talks about what was seen rather than a plan

x48rph

Global AOE cooldown showing the best results doesn't surprise me because it massively cut down on people using abilities at all other than single target spammables, especially considering the massive list of stuff that got labeled as aoe. That's honestly a no go for me as there's no way you'll properly balance any class around that and it would just ruin the feel of eso combat with so many things having a cooldown. I might as well go play something else for all that. Plenty of other games that already do combat that way and its super boring.

Midnite_Toker

[snip]..now I can't even leave group when I run a dungeon..wtf is that

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Kuratius

It makes you seem quite unprofessional when you say fps and then give a measurement that is clearly (milli-)seconds per frame.
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Firstmep

The aoe cooldown test also had the ic event rolling and so many chose not to play cyro during that time.

MrWesleyPipes

as a pvp'r who played before and during these test i'm calling BS on these stats.in my honest performance was worse with a lower then normal population.

Elo106

Please please please take population into account, during test one everyone was annoyed and went to play IC!
Entire guilds took pvp breaks during those harsh tests.

Please take server population into account!

Ghostbane

Thank you for the transparency and the numbers, always welcomed regardless.

Knockmaker

At least player base is finally seeing some communication, efforts and numbers on addressing the issues.

However, I also strongly agree that any sort of aoe restriction will literally kill this game. I have entered Cyro once during that test and I left 10 minutes later and haven't returned again since it was absolutely unplayable and lacking any resemblence of fun. It is also worth mentioning that I wasn't even playing sorc or healer, I was on a stam melee build for group play and even so I felt these restrictions badly (even with the brawler skill). I hope zos will abandon such ideas which will only punish the players.


Hoping to see concrete progress without change to core combat mechanics.

marius_buys

LET'S GET SOME OPINIONS (without the salt please)

POLL - CYRODIIL TESTS, WHICH WEEK?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/549460/poll-cyrodiil-tests-which-week

Mythreindeer

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Orpheaus wrote: »

Additionally this question is directed at someone who has knowledge of this industry that I don't, is there a specific reason that ZOS can't upgrade their servers to create better performance? Or is this a situation where the hardware literally won't help and that's a pointless request?

If this were the case, it would seem a rather ominous portent as the only way to better game performance would be slowing down skill usage (as it seems is about to occur), or enough players have to quit to reach a threshold on server demand.

Idinuse

Firstmep wrote: »

The aoe cooldown test also had the ic event rolling and so many chose not to play cyro during that time.

It would have been more interesting for them to have measured IC during that week instead of an empty (by normal standards) Cyrodiil.

Elo106

Why is the performance better during mid year mayhem with more players online? Do we get better servers during mid year mayhem?

Alendrin

During week 1 organized groups were in the I.C. I do not see how week 1 can be considered a valid test.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Thanks for the mini update, Looking forward to the full report. If it is possible I would strongly encourage some back and forth with the community after the report because so far we are seeing fairly different results than you have reported.

Honestly it feels for me that perhaps the context of player actions on the server is kind of lost in the reported results looking at a pure server performance metric.

e.g. on NA the first week of testing felt really dead in terms of a map and 'fights happening' perspective. In comparison to seeing 4-5 groups worth of players (in terms of 'numbers' not just actual groups) all stacked up fighting in the same location which was happening in later weeks.

So if the results purely just say 'the first week was the best' without context for this I feel like they will not be well received. It would be nice to discuss it further once we see the results from your side.

Squeaky_Clean

Test results or not, the only thing I can say is, that if global cooldowns are implemented in Cyrodiil, I am done with PVP.

Calypso589

Spend some o dat Microsoft money and upgrade the servers.

Upgrade out of DX9 too.

Parasaurolophus

During the tests I got 4 ranks, from 41 to 45. And throughout the tests, the performance was poor. There were lags anyway, especially in prime time.

LarsS

We have had 6 weeks with tests of which most was a pain and changes the combat in a way that destroys the fun. I think many of us wont stand another round of tests.

Xanttious

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Normally I just sit back and laugh at most of the stuff that is posted on these forums. This one I cannot. I am the leader of the biggest DC guild on the Gray Host server (Xan's Army). You guys are ruining this game with all the tests, I would rather their be the lag then go through any more weeks of these tests. It has been hard enough to keep people interested in going out there and running in/starting groups up during these tests. I had multiple guild meeting during this test period to keep peoples interest in PvP knowing that tests would be over soon was one of the points I kept making. I refuse to keep doing so when you guys out of know where say there will be more tests coming after this past month and a half of hell was almost over. If there are more tests forthcoming I will be pulling my groups out of cryo and going to IC where the tests don't apply.

You stated that the lag was better the first 3 weeks of the test with global cool-downs. Which might be the case but for one having global cool-downs will break this game and turn people away from PvP in this game more then you guys realize. ALOT of the people are dealing with these tests right now just because it is double AP and they are trying to rank their characters up ect. That will not be the case after these tests are over and things go back to normal if any of these tests are implemented. The reason lag was better the first couple of weeks. (without looking at your data I'll bet my account it was best in week 1) due to you guys having a IC event going and no one wanted to be in cryo at least of the DC side. The only reason you didn't see a drop in population during these test at least from the DC point of view of things is because of the double AP and DC was holding first place. In fact I bet if you looked at the population overall prior to these test the overall population would have been lower during the hours you are looking at then they where before during the tests. Due to reasons i stated above.

You all need to stop running these test and put some money back into this game. If there was a better alternative game to play that offered the same play style (3 factions fighting) the PvP in this game would be completely dead. We all know you make the money from seeing your yearly financials and how much money you make on crowns per year. Its time you put it back into the game rather then fill your own pockets. If you intend to keep this game going for years to come something needs to be put back into the game or when games like Camelot Unchained, New World, or Ash's of Creations are finally a thing... This game will be a thing of the past.

Wylie_Coyote

The AOE cool downs have made it hard enough to play, as someone who runs a magsorc which is, by default, mostly aoe. Like so many above have said, people (including myself) have only been putting up with it for the double AP to rank up. If it becomes a permanent thing, I really don't see how I can take anything but a nightblade into Cyro anymore.
Would it be possible to get a break for a few weeks between tests so that players don't get burned out and quit?

Elo106

Xanttious wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Normally I just sit back and laugh at most of the stuff that is posted on these forums. This one I cannot. I am the leader of the biggest DC guild on the Gray Host server (Xan's Army). You guys are ruining this game with all the tests, I would rather their be the lag then go through any more weeks of these tests. It has been hard enough to keep people interested in going out there and running in/starting groups up during these tests. I had multiple guild meeting during this test period to keep peoples interest in PvP knowing that tests would be over soon was one of the points I kept making. I refuse to keep doing so when you guys out of know where say there will be more tests coming after this past month and a half of hell was almost over. If there are more tests forthcoming I will be pulling my groups out of cryo and going to IC where the tests don't apply.

You stated that the lag was better the first 3 weeks of the test with global cool-downs. Which might be the case but for one having global cool-downs will break this game and turn people away from PvP in this game more then you guys realize. ALOT of the people are dealing with these tests right now just because it is double AP and they are trying to rank their characters up ect. That will not be the case after these tests are over and things go back to normal if any of these tests are implemented. The reason lag was better the first couple of weeks. (without looking at your data I'll bet my account it was best in week 1) due to you guys having a IC event going and no one wanted to be in cryo at least of the DC side. The only reason you didn't see a drop in population during these test at least from the DC point of view of things is because of the double AP and DC was holding first place. In fact I bet if you looked at the population overall prior to these test the overall population would have been lower during the hours you are looking at then they where before during the tests. Due to reasons i stated above.

You all need to stop running these test and put some money back into this game. If there was a better alternative game to play that offered the same play style (3 factions fighting) the PvP in this game would be completely dead. We all know you make the money from seeing your yearly financials and how much money you make on crowns per year. Its time you put it back into the game rather then fill your own pockets. If you intend to keep this game going for years to come something needs to be put back into the game or when games like Camelot Unchained, New World, or Ash's of Creations are finally a thing... This game will be a thing of the past.

I agree on most points week one was horrible most of DC took a break because it was unplayable!

Husan

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Out of the first three weeks of tests, the global cooldown test resulted in the greatest performance gains when compared to the others (roughly 25% increase in server performance).

I'm not the smartest guy in the world so this has me scratching my head. How do you quantify server performance? How much exactly 25% better? Is performance on a scale of 0% to 100%? What % are we on now?

pma_pacifier

WHY WAS THE LAG BETTER DURING MIDYEAR MAYHEM. IT WAS BETTER THAN DURING THESE TESTS. YOU GUYS WERE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT! I WONDER...

jad11mumbler

pma_pacifier wrote: »

WHY WAS THE LAG BETTER DURING MIDYEAR MAYHEM. IT WAS BETTER THAN DURING THESE TESTS. YOU GUYS WERE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT! I WONDER...

During the events they usually increase server capacity, or such, which costs more to run from what I've heard.