warden seems p2w

Ariades_swe

Stamnbs = most carried class in the game.

Waffennacht

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Stamnbs = most carried class in the game.

Strong? Sure.

However unlike Warden, Sorcs, or DK; NB has a very effective hard counter

Ariades_swe

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Stamnbs = most carried class in the game.

Strong? Sure.

However unlike Warden, Sorcs, or DK; NB has a very effective hard counter

You think dks stronger than stamnbs?
What's the effective counter to a good stamnb alternating shade and cloak?

AMeanOne

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Stamnbs = most carried class in the game.

A potato in meta gear on a stamblade will still be a potato. A potato in meta gear on a stamden will actually be punching above their weight class

Rhaegar75

I agree with Waffen, StamNB has a very simple counter...not saying StamNB is not strong but at least it's not as strong as a StamDen

StamDen is way too well rounded: hard, much harder to find a counter play.

DTStormfox

I am a very experienced player and played all classes. I can confirm that Stamina Warden wearing Crimson Twighlight (or Eternal Vigor set) and Syvarra's Scales set is extremely pay to win. I played several matches in Battlegrounds and can say that this was the easiest to play in all my ESO experience. In these matches, I died maybe 1 or 2 times while racking up 10+ kills, carrying flags and balls without ever worrying about even coming close to dying. When I switch back to e.g. my Magicka DK (or any other class), I immediately notice that this class is substantially harder to play.

In general, the people that disagree with this are either in denial, biased or deliberately keeping the no-skill meta alive for their own sake.

Rhaegar75

DTStormfox wrote: »

I am a very experienced player and played all classes. I can confirm that Stamina Warden wearing Crimson Twighlight (or Eternal Vigor set) and Syvarra's Scales set is extremely pay to win. I played several matches in Battlegrounds and can say that this was the easiest to play in all my ESO experience. In these matches, I died maybe 1 or 2 times while racking up 10+ kills, carrying flags and balls without ever worrying about even coming close to dying. When I switch back to e.g. my Magicka DK (or any other class), I immediately notice that this class is substantially harder to play.

In general, the people that disagree with this are either in denial, biased or deliberately keeping the no-skill meta alive for their own sake.

I couldn't agree more!!!

I don't play Stamdens but my experience comes from playing against them: I'm no pvp genius but I can stand my ground and have a decent k/d ratio.
Stamdens are the only class I cannot seem to even touch nom matter what I do: high health, tanky and still generating a lot of damage.

Ariades_swe

In my experience stamdens a class that's extremely good versus scrubs, which 90 percent of the players are.
In a 1v1 against nonretard opponents their burst combo are extremely easy to avoid.
They excell against the random moron that can't count to three.
They're only "op" cause they scale best with the procset/malacath meta atm.

master_vanargand

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Stamnbs = most carried class in the game.

Nightblade = most weak class in PvP.
Warden = most strongest class in PvP.

Waffennacht

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Stamnbs = most carried class in the game.

Strong? Sure.

However unlike Warden, Sorcs, or DK; NB has a very effective hard counter

You think dks stronger than stamnbs?
What's the effective counter to a good stamnb alternating shade and cloak?

Stronger? Can be really. Slot Overwhelming (unless they changed it; this alone will bring an NB outta cloak) or detect pots. Once you remove cloak from the equation then shades becomes much like streak. Effective AF, but not something that will be both defensive and offensive (cloak definitely lets an NB turn things around)

Anyway; Warden is one of; if not the, best class ATM.

There's no comparison of raw % buffs. Animal passive, frost passive, passive minor berserk (hell ill still take 5% when theres like no other viable sources for most classes)

Sorcerer is THE most under utlizied proc class. You never see them; yet Id pay money to see an NB take on a health Sorc. My version has a 12k heal in BGs.

Necro and Templar both have counter parts that are essentially DoA.

Anyway, in this Meta, there are other classes that can use Proc sets way more effectively than NBs and NBs just took one in the shorts via nerfed buffs

Ariades_swe

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Stamnbs = most carried class in the game.

Strong? Sure.

However unlike Warden, Sorcs, or DK; NB has a very effective hard counter

You think dks stronger than stamnbs?
What's the effective counter to a good stamnb alternating shade and cloak?

Stronger? Can be really. Slot Overwhelming (unless they changed it; this alone will bring an NB outta cloak) or detect pots. Once you remove cloak from the equation then shades becomes much like streak. Effective AF, but not something that will be both defensive and offensive (cloak definitely lets an NB turn things around)

Anyway; Warden is one of; if not the, best class ATM.

There's no comparison of raw % buffs. Animal passive, frost passive, passive minor berserk (hell ill still take 5% when theres like no other viable sources for most classes)

Sorcerer is THE most under utlizied proc class. You never see them; yet Id pay money to see an NB take on a health Sorc. My version has a 12k heal in BGs.

Necro and Templar both have counter parts that are essentially DoA.

Anyway, in this Meta, there are other classes that can use Proc sets way more effectively than NBs and NBs just took one in the shorts via nerfed buffs

Well I was talking mainly of stamdks.
I didn't made that clear, sorry.
No stamdk would slot overwhelming.

Magdks and stamdks with malacath, fossilise and procset prolly the best dueling classes atm I don't disagree with that but a well played stamnb beats at least magdk by miles in solo open world.
And from a pure dueling perspective there's better classes than stamdens out there.
I don't do bgs so can't really comment on that.

Waffennacht

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Stamnbs = most carried class in the game.

Strong? Sure.

However unlike Warden, Sorcs, or DK; NB has a very effective hard counter

You think dks stronger than stamnbs?
What's the effective counter to a good stamnb alternating shade and cloak?

Stronger? Can be really. Slot Overwhelming (unless they changed it; this alone will bring an NB outta cloak) or detect pots. Once you remove cloak from the equation then shades becomes much like streak. Effective AF, but not something that will be both defensive and offensive (cloak definitely lets an NB turn things around)

Anyway; Warden is one of; if not the, best class ATM.

There's no comparison of raw % buffs. Animal passive, frost passive, passive minor berserk (hell ill still take 5% when theres like no other viable sources for most classes)

Sorcerer is THE most under utlizied proc class. You never see them; yet Id pay money to see an NB take on a health Sorc. My version has a 12k heal in BGs.

Necro and Templar both have counter parts that are essentially DoA.

Anyway, in this Meta, there are other classes that can use Proc sets way more effectively than NBs and NBs just took one in the shorts via nerfed buffs

Well I was talking mainly of stamdks.
I didn't made that clear, sorry.
No stamdk would slot overwhelming.
Magdks prolly the best dueling class atm I don't disagree with that but a well played stamnb beats it by miles in solo open world.
And from a pure dueling perspective there's better classes than stamdens out there.

I was thinkin in terms of BGs. StamNB and Sorc in OW are gonna be hard to match via mobility.

StamDK? Yeah it'll be in worse shape than mag. But the conversation isnt specifically about stamnb vs stamDK but just the state or StamNB. Its not super powered. It is strong; for example stam templar is on the bottom, magsorc is in a great spot too, wardens are one of the top. NB doesnt stand head and shoulders above these

Ariades_swe

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Stamnbs = most carried class in the game.

Strong? Sure.

However unlike Warden, Sorcs, or DK; NB has a very effective hard counter

You think dks stronger than stamnbs?
What's the effective counter to a good stamnb alternating shade and cloak?

Stronger? Can be really. Slot Overwhelming (unless they changed it; this alone will bring an NB outta cloak) or detect pots. Once you remove cloak from the equation then shades becomes much like streak. Effective AF, but not something that will be both defensive and offensive (cloak definitely lets an NB turn things around)

Anyway; Warden is one of; if not the, best class ATM.

There's no comparison of raw % buffs. Animal passive, frost passive, passive minor berserk (hell ill still take 5% when theres like no other viable sources for most classes)

Sorcerer is THE most under utlizied proc class. You never see them; yet Id pay money to see an NB take on a health Sorc. My version has a 12k heal in BGs.

Necro and Templar both have counter parts that are essentially DoA.

Anyway, in this Meta, there are other classes that can use Proc sets way more effectively than NBs and NBs just took one in the shorts via nerfed buffs

Well I was talking mainly of stamdks.
I didn't made that clear, sorry.
No stamdk would slot overwhelming.
Magdks prolly the best dueling class atm I don't disagree with that but a well played stamnb beats it by miles in solo open world.
And from a pure dueling perspective there's better classes than stamdens out there.

I was thinkin in terms of BGs. StamNB and Sorc in OW are gonna be hard to match via mobility.

StamDK? Yeah it'll be in worse shape than mag. But the conversation isnt specifically about stamnb vs stamDK but just the state or StamNB. Its not super powered. It is strong; for example stam templar is on the bottom, magsorc is in a great spot too, wardens are one of the top. NB doesnt stand head and shoulders above these

Fair enough. I can see your point.

Noctus

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ariades_swe wrote: »

Stamnbs = most carried class in the game.

Strong? Sure.

However unlike Warden, Sorcs, or DK; NB has a very effective hard counter

You think dks stronger than stamnbs?
What's the effective counter to a good stamnb alternating shade and cloak?

Stronger? Can be really. Slot Overwhelming (unless they changed it; this alone will bring an NB outta cloak) or detect pots. Once you remove cloak from the equation then shades becomes much like streak. Effective AF, but not something that will be both defensive and offensive (cloak definitely lets an NB turn things around)

Anyway; Warden is one of; if not the, best class ATM.

There's no comparison of raw % buffs. Animal passive, frost passive, passive minor berserk (hell ill still take 5% when theres like no other viable sources for most classes)

Sorcerer is THE most under utlizied proc class. You never see them; yet Id pay money to see an NB take on a health Sorc. My version has a 12k heal in BGs.

Necro and Templar both have counter parts that are essentially DoA.

Anyway, in this Meta, there are other classes that can use Proc sets way more effectively than NBs and NBs just took one in the shorts via nerfed buffs

Well I was talking mainly of stamdks.
I didn't made that clear, sorry.
No stamdk would slot overwhelming.
Magdks prolly the best dueling class atm I don't disagree with that but a well played stamnb beats it by miles in solo open world.
And from a pure dueling perspective there's better classes than stamdens out there.

I was thinkin in terms of BGs. StamNB and Sorc in OW are gonna be hard to match via mobility.

StamDK? Yeah it'll be in worse shape than mag. But the conversation isnt specifically about stamnb vs stamDK but just the state or StamNB. Its not super powered. It is strong; for example stam templar is on the bottom, magsorc is in a great spot too, wardens are one of the top. NB doesnt stand head and shoulders above these

Fair enough. I can see your point.

the thing is while stamblade is somewhere mid tier. magblade is the absolute bottom. what would u nerf that wouldnt *** up magblades ?

cloak is easily countered and in OW everyone can sneak unless ur enemy is absolutely incompetent they will kill u.

whats rly problematic about NB kit is shade teleporting through walls.
i can use gapcloser on sorc mostly in time unless its laggy but tbh that also dont allways work.

maybe teleportation skills should have a little cast time. short enough so skills are still usefull and long enough so u can do smthing about it. nightblade teleport should also probably be interruptable during that short time since it ports through walls.

this is my personal thought about the situation as a magblade main.

Thogard

When proc sets are the dmg, there’s no downside to stacking health, and warden stacks health the best

Rhaegar75

Thogard wrote: »

When proc sets are the dmg, there’s no downside to stacking health, and warden stacks health the best

I think you summarized the situation perfectly