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New Class: Sword-Singers
hexentb16_ESO
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Wouldn't it be cool if the next playable class was Sword-Singer? It would be even more cool if they had their own tutorial where Sai Sahan teaches them how to use their abilities. What do you guys think?
Oh and if you're feeling creative post a suggestion for an ability or passive you think they should have.
Here's some lore about em.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sword-singers
Edited by hexentb16_ESO on October 12, 2020 9:32PM Oh and if you're feeling creative post a suggestion for an ability or passive you think they should have.
Here's some lore about em.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sword-singers
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Vayln_Ninetails✭✭✭✭✭No.
The game doesn't need more classes. It needs more weapons and the current classes could use another skill line each focusing specifically on class flavor.19 -
OlumoGarbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭It would be amazing to have a physical based class since all other classes are basically magic classes which happen to have a stamina morph here and there.
Nightblade is the only class who is kind of physical based but besides surprise attack and some sneak things it's based mostly on shadow and siphoning magic.
Dk is fire and poison while being more fire.
Sorc is lightning and storm while being more lightning and magic based.
Templar is light and fire based
Warden is frost and nature based
Necro is undead based
So all classes have a strong leaning toward their magic origin and only as an option some physical things which mostly got added over the years.
So yes give us a non magic based class already and let them have magic weapons or artefacts.Edited by OlumoGarbag on October 12, 2020 9:42PMclass representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling4 -
hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Vayln_Ninetails wrote: »No.
The game doesn't need more classes. It needs more weapons and the current classes could use another skill line each focusing specifically on class flavor.
They can do more than one thing at a time.
I agree and have a suggestion made for that too. ZOS will still probably add a new class next big DLC though and I hope the choose sword-singer.0 -
Mindcr0w✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I ask this not to rain on the parade, but to honestly question what you think would make this a worthwhile addition to the game.
What would such a class, that presumably would focus heavily on bringing forth a magical "spirit weapon, bring to the game aesthetically or mechanically that isn't covered elsewhere by say a templar?0 -
hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭I ask this not to rain on the parade, but to honestly question what you think would make this a worthwhile addition to the game.
What would such a class, that presumably would focus heavily on bringing forth a magical "spirit weapon, bring to the game aesthetically or mechanically that isn't covered elsewhere by say a templar?
Loads of stuff. Give the Lore a read for ideas. I'm sure ZOS wouldn't just copy/paste the templar class.0 -
Mindcr0w✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭hexentb16_ESO wrote: »Loads of stuff. Give the Lore a read for ideas. I'm sure ZOS wouldn't just copy/paste the templar class.
Well since you apparently haven't given any thought to the specifics of why such a class would actually bring something worthwhile to the game beyond "sword singers are cool", and given how homogenized the current classes already are, I'm going to disagree and say that copy/pasting the templar is more or less exactly what ZOS would do.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I could go for a swordsinger if it was like Roberson's Tiger (from the Tiger and Del books)....0 -
hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭hexentb16_ESO wrote: »Loads of stuff. Give the Lore a read for ideas. I'm sure ZOS wouldn't just copy/paste the templar class.
Well since you apparently haven't given any thought to the specifics of why such a class would actually bring something worthwhile to the game beyond "sword singers are cool", and given how homogenized the current classes already are, I'm going to disagree and say that copy/pasting the templar is more or less exactly what ZOS would do.
You don't have much faith in the game's creators do you?0 -
Mindcr0w✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭hexentb16_ESO wrote: »You don't have much faith in the game's creators do you?
When it comes to class design? No.
But additionally when it comes to presenting an idea such as a new class, having nothing to support it other than "1.)it would be cool, 2.)look it up and come up with your own ideas to support my idea, 3.) the devs will figure it out" does not make a compelling argument.Edited by Mindcr0w on October 12, 2020 11:18PM6 -
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✭Take a stamina based 2 hand class, Redguard race. Use Morkuldin as one of the sets and Sword-Singer as another set.Main: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade (Bomber)
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight (Damage)
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar (Healer)
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden (One-Bar)
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade (Thief)
Leveling...
Two-Big-Horns an Argonian Arcanist
Styx of Akatosh a Goblin* Arcanist
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
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Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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Miszou✭✭✭✭✭
✭Heh, I thought this was going to be more like a bard support class... which might actually be somewhat interesting if done right.
LOTR had a bard healer type where you could sing different ballads to buff/heal etc.
And then of course, it's Elder Scrolls, so perhaps a Dragon Shout (ultimate? skill line?) in there somewhere as well....?
Anyway, I guess I should look up what a sword-singer does...0 -
Dunning_Kruger✭✭✭✭Absolutely nutty; wouldn’t hate a monk class though.____________________________________
A G G R O - the legendary stamplar GM of <HALL MONITORS>
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Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good old Lineage II class :>Swordsinger
Race Elf
Armor Heavy armor
Weapon Swords or blunts
Role Support
The Sword Singer has a beautiful voice that is used to raise the morale of party members and assist them in battle. The Sword Singer helps to recover the physical strength of party members through Song of Life and raises the defensive power of party members using Song of Earth. The sound of the Sword Singer's voice is welcome in any party.
Source : L2wiki
It was one of my favorite class, a mix of bard and swordsman heavily focused on party buff.
I don't think it would have a place in this game though.
And I agree with some other, we don't really need more class, 1st balance all the one we get.
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Dunning_Kruger✭✭✭✭Heck yes a freaking bard class would be sick____________________________________
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TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Dunning_Kruger wrote: »Heck yes a freaking bard class would be sick
You do not know what a Sword-Singer is do you?
They are Master Swordsman who Wield Magic Weapons made from a piece of their own Soul called a Shehai and from a lore perspective would be one of the top tier classes in terms of destructive power, one Sword Singer once accidently caused a Nuclear Explosion.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on October 13, 2020 12:54AM0 -
Raideen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭We need a REAL ranged class. 28m does not feel like ranged gameplay, ESP with a bow.
Of course the issue is action combat with the camera angle above you angling down which makes it harder to aim at a target that is at range. Makes sense why so many other games use tab targeting because ranged are either at a huge disadvantage in trying to hit the target or really not ranged at all.0 -
Vayln_Ninetails✭✭✭✭✭hexentb16_ESO wrote: »Vayln_Ninetails wrote: »No.
The game doesn't need more classes. It needs more weapons and the current classes could use another skill line each focusing specifically on class flavor.
They can do more than one thing at a time.
I agree and have a suggestion made for that too. ZOS will still probably add a new class next big DLC though and I hope the choose sword-singer.
Unfortunately they can't seem to do more than one thing at a time.
They NEVER release more than 1 skill line/class at a time. It'll be one or the other.
If I had faith they could do more than one thing, I wouldn't be so against a new class.0 -
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✭I was just playing through Alik'r and I immediately thought it would be a cool idea if implemented well.0 -
Wow✭✭✭✭✭No more new classsss. At least until they do something about the mount
Everytime there's a new class, it sits there on my login screen for 60 days before I can actually use them.I'm a Godot Engine and GameMaker enthusiast from the most populated island on earth, Java, Indonesia. Coffee is my staple fuel, and durian is my favourite fruit. I'm currently building a Visual Novel.1 -
storm105✭✭✭Lorewise sword singing has been extinct since the first era. Which is something I'm surprised nobody has mentioned yet. They just don't exist anymore during the time period eso takes place and you even meet the ghost of the last sword singer during the Alik'r questline. Part of Sai Sahan's backstory is that he spent years trying and failing to revive sword singing. Also sword singing as an art was said to be more powerful than the Thu'um. I don't really see how you can implement that as a class without heavily nerfing it to what it's supposed to be in lore. It would just really be disappointing in general and breaks what lore Zos themselves had already established about sword singing.2 -
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✭✭People banging on about no more classes. This is an MMO. There are going to be more. This idea is interesting. I do doubt we will get a new class soon, but hey I’m all for new classes, bring them at me....@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP0 -
ke.sardenb14_ESO✭✭✭With the new abilities in the stam sorc kit, I say it is very similar to what I would expect from a sword singer. Particularly the crystal weapon and bound armaments.0
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✭✭✭✭✭This is not only a note to the OP but to anyone else suggesting a new class.
One) How would your class suggestion work with all available weapon types and armors (light, heavy, and medium)?
If your suggestion already imposes a particular weapon (do sword singers use axes, bows, and staves?) maybe it would work better as a stand alone skill line where weapon types can be a restriction.
Two) What would the three class skill lines be?
Beyond the “being really good at swords” skill line, what would the other two be? A tanking tree with no shield, I guess? And what else?
Three) Does this class make sense for every race?
Can any race be a sword singer? Does that make sense? How quickly is the training? Particularly with the taunting “Demon Tharn” gave, I doubt there is much lore allowing other races being a sword singer.0 -
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✭There are 6 classes already that aren't balanced well, why add another.
I'd much rather next year brings a new CP system, and class identity / balance. A year of focus on existing classes.0 -
SgtNuttzmeg✭✭✭✭hexentb16_ESO wrote: »Wouldn't it be cool if the next playable class was Sword-Singer? It would be even more cool if they had their own tutorial where Sai Sahan teaches them how to use their abilities. What do you guys think?
Oh and if you're feeling creative post a suggestion for an ability or passive you think they should have.
Here's some lore about em.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sword-singers
As awesome as this would be I am pretty confident in predicting that the power that the main protagonist gets in ESVI will be this.Legions of Mordor Core
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ke.sardenb14_ESO✭✭✭Balancing needed aside, I think there is room for more class in eso. Personally I would have thought the next class was gonna be a dwarven artificer.0
