On Mythics and Reconstruction

richo262

Some things I've noticed with Mythics.

1) Probably too easy to reconstruct initially
2) Cannot deconstruct to get transmutes back
3) There is no incentive to use antiq more than once, there should at least be some benefit to completing the codec.

I think it would probably be ideal to treat the codecs in a similar fashion to how collecting more set items = cheaper cost. Collect 5 codecs = 50, 10 codecs = 25, all 15 = free. If the goal is to get the cost of Transmuting the item to 0, it does not matter that it cannot be deconstructed. This would incentivise people to collect all 15 codecs. Another thing that could happen from this is at 15 codecs, the item is deemed collected and the leads no longer drop.

If that was in place it the three points would become

1) Initially quite costly to reconstruct compare to other items, but codecs can reduce the reconstruction cost to 0.
2) Cannot deconstruct, but doesn't matter as the most you'll get back is 0 because the cheapest cost of reconstruction is 0.
3) You are incentivised to collect all 15 codecs to reduce the reconstruction cost to 0.
4) No longer spammed with Mythic leads after completing all 15. The Mythic is deemed completed. Fully researched and understood, therefore reconstruction should become easier, the best minds in Tamriel have been studying what you've found. It also doesn't make sense that such a unique item can be found so many times. It is unique, one of a kind (at least to you, being account bound). They shouldn't rain from the sky, there should be some sort of finality to their procurement.

I'll add. It is very unlikely that a player that has access to all the required lead locations doesn't also have access to a transmute station via either CWC, Guild store, Friend or Guild. They will also get 3 of each mythic along the way to 15 codecs.

This also means, that ZOS would be more liberty to chop and change mythics around as they please. Items that have proven to require delicate balance, should they be nerfed or brought back, it is not a huge issue if the player has 15 codecs on their favorite mythic. Also 0 could be replaced with 5 transmutes if 0 is an issue.

FrancisCrawford

1. I fail to see the problem.

2. Making Ring of the Wild Hunt available to low-level alts could help a lot with the fury people feel about Rapid Maneuvers.

richo262

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

1. I fail to see the problem.

2. Making Ring of the Wild Hunt available to low-level alts could help a lot with the fury people feel about Rapid Maneuvers.

Many are requesting all characters under CP160 should not have access to reconstruction at all. I agree with that. Being able to reconstruct any set for the cost of, well nothing as you'll get the transmutes back, perhaps gold the weapons, and just keep reconning as you level. Access to all those sets for BG would really just floor new players that don't have access to transmutes. Crafting should be for alts, Recon should be for end game collections.

Even if ZOS keeps access to under CP160 characters, this would mean that all characters could recon a Mythic for 0. I fail to see how your point 2 is contrary to anything I've said in my OP. Codecs are account wide, just as collections are. If ZOS maintains low level characters access to Recon, and they were to implement these suggestions, that means your alt can Recon a ring of the wild hunt with even greater ease, 0, if you have done the farm work for it.

FrancisCrawford

richo262 wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

1. I fail to see the problem.

2. Making Ring of the Wild Hunt available to low-level alts could help a lot with the fury people feel about Rapid Maneuvers.

Many are requesting all characters under CP160 should not have access to reconstruction at all. I agree with that. Being able to reconstruct any set for the cost of, well nothing as you'll get the transmutes back, perhaps gold the weapons, and just keep reconning as you level. Access to all those sets for BG would really just floor new players that don't have access to transmutes. Crafting should be for alts, Recon should be for end game collections.

Even if ZOS keeps access to under CP160 characters, this would mean that all characters could recon a Mythic for 0. I fail to see how your point 2 is contrary to anything I've said in my OP. Codecs are account wide, just as collections are. If ZOS maintains low level characters access to Recon, and they were to implement these suggestions, that means your alt can Recon a ring of the wild hunt with even greater ease, 0, if you have done the farm work for it.

I'm objecting to your idea that adding tedious, repetitive grind is somehow a good thing.

And if you don't want reconstituted gear in low-level PvP, then ban it explicitly. PvP should probably have ban lists anyway.

richo262

It wouldn't be a repetitive grind indefinitely, in fact it would bring a finality to the leads and end the Mythic grind once completed, it would raise the transmute cost to what it should be imo (base of 75 (but you got the first one of three, so starts at 50)), with an ability to lower it if you so choose. Completely not required. Most of the leads related to Mythics (save for a few fishing and IC leads) appear through simply playing the game. I ignore the Mythic lead spam because its of no value to me, I would probably complete the Mythic spam if it would result in it being deemed 'completed' and actually provide a benefit such as reduced transmute cost.

NeillMcAttack

Why lord, do players want to restrict the access to fun for other players! Why!!?

People would just log character, bank item, log character, retrieve item. Maybe ZOS wants to reduce these pointless log-in server spam and let people enjoy all the variety the game has to offer without needless hurdles...?

richo262

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Why lord, do players want to restrict the access to fun for other players! Why!!?

People would just log character, bank item, log character, retrieve item. Maybe ZOS wants to reduce these pointless log-in server spam and let people enjoy all the variety the game has to offer without needless hurdles...?

I think you posted in the wrong thread? Not sure what relog'ing is about.

Edit: I think I get it, my bad for humoring the de-railment of PVP. As I said, this was something many were raising in other threads, i just agree with it. Not related to Mythic/Recon. As for your suggestion or relogging, well, you don't get a choice as to the level the reconstruction is, presently it simply gets made at the level of your character. So your CP160+ Character would make a CP160 item, and it could not be given to an alt you may intend to use to courageously destroy players with 5 hours of game time to their account in a BG.