Emperor cheating against ToS?

UppGRAYxDD

Hmmm maybe if ZoS actually used Gamemasters. You know, The ones we are always told about by the in-game scrolling text but NEVER SEE THEM. It wouldn’t take much besides logging in to see the scores once a week and looking at the accounts that are blatantly abusing AP boosting. It’s really not hard to see when someone is millions upon millions ahead of every other player.

TequilaFire

Mayrael wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

In a universe with millions of planets, one could hope there is one where the inhabitants worry about what they do instead of spending so much time worrying about what others do.

When things that others do affects all of us we SHOULD worry about what they do. That's what rules are for.

Oh? Please provide link to the rule that says you can't farm ap 24 hours a day.
No proof of cheating was provided by OP other than opinion.
11.5M ap is kind of low for three days actually.
Probably shouldn't mention Skyreach runs and grinding mobs in PvE then.

VaranisArano

VoidCommander wrote: »

I see a lot of the negative attitude about this being directed at Emp farmers, but what if people are boosting just to level up their alliance war rank because they don’t like doing PvP? Legate Black is a very nice dye and very few PvEers ever get it due to the extreme amount of PvP time required.

Is this still considered morally unethical, if it doesn’t hurt anyone’s chances for Emp?

I direct you to the example of Bleakers AP farming cited earlier, in which the players involved were only AP farming and not pushing for Emp. The Devs do treat that as against the TOS.

Moreover, "I want this but I don't want to PVP for it" is a bad excuse for justifying exploits. People have gotten Grand Overlord in the Below 50 campaign pretty much by just repairing walls. You don't need to boost if you want to avoid PVP. If you are boosting for your rank, it's because you want to avoid the time, gold, and effort it takes to do it the proper, more peaceful way.

PizzaCat82

The void black from the new solo arena dungeon is much easier and much better looking than Legate.

Xarc

thatESOdude wrote: »

Remove alliance lock from all campaigns

LOCK CAMPAIGN.
in particular no cp.

wolfbone

I dont think it's cheating as you can do it in game.

Mayrael

TequilaFire wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

In a universe with millions of planets, one could hope there is one where the inhabitants worry about what they do instead of spending so much time worrying about what others do.

When things that others do affects all of us we SHOULD worry about what they do. That's what rules are for.

Oh? Please provide link to the rule that says you can't farm ap 24 hours a day.
No proof of cheating was provided by OP other than opinion.
11.5M ap is kind of low for three days actually.
Probably shouldn't mention Skyreach runs and grinding mobs in PvE then.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/cardiology/venousthrombosis/85622

Man dies after playing videogames 73 hours without break.

It's phisically impossible to play that much, unless there are multiple people involved in playing which is against TOS. Also gaining that much AP per hour is easy during prime time, but Cyrodiil most of the time is empty leading to PvD, which doesn't give that much AP unless you defend a keep against more coordinated players, but then again even 3 good players can take over a keep with one defender. And so on and so on.

Hard proof? No because I was not there. Logic? Yes, the answer can be just one. I know how to farm AP, I play ESO since 2014 and there were months when I played 6-8 hours daily in Cyro and guess what? I was at best top 8-10 having 2-3 mil APs because all I did was regular keep/rss routine. Now you're trying to tell me that it is possible to get almost 12 mil AP in 3 days (number that many times was enough to be emperor in the end of campaign) without cheating? Pff...

Edit. Typos.

starkerealm

TequilaFire wrote: »

In a universe with millions of planets, one could hope there is one where the inhabitants worry about what they do instead of spending so much time worrying about what others do.

It matters when you're in a competition with someone and they're violating the rules of that competition. Even if they've found a way to do so without being detected.

TequilaFire wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

In a universe with millions of planets, one could hope there is one where the inhabitants worry about what they do instead of spending so much time worrying about what others do.

When things that others do affects all of us we SHOULD worry about what they do. That's what rules are for.

Oh? Please provide link to the rule that says you can't farm ap 24 hours a day.

Here's a quote:

Code of Conduct wrote:

5.1 You are forbidden from using any unapproved third-party applications, programs, scripts or any other game modifying mechanic used to change the game play experience on a ZeniMax game, Service, forum, or other games or services provided by ZeniMax, including the distribution of said programs via ZeniMax Services, sites, forums, communities, etc. This would include but is not limited to using or distributing speed hacks, aim bots, mouse controllers, spam bots, automated game play devices, etc. Third party applications are defined as any program, application or script written by an individual, company, corporation, or private party not employed by or contracted to perform services by ZeniMax.

Snark aside, the issue grinding, it's trading to farm AP, which is against the rules.

TequilaFire wrote: »

No proof of cheating was provided by OP other than opinion.
11.5M ap is kind of low for three days actually.
Probably shouldn't mention Skyreach runs and grinding mobs in PvE then.

Even if this specific example is a case of legitimate grinding (which is possible), there is a real problem with people selling Emperor as a service and other forms of cheating in Cyrodiil. So, in those cases, yeah, the actions of others matter.

starkerealm

wolfbone wrote: »

I dont think it's cheating as you can do it in game.

It absolutely can be, especially when we're talking about PvP.

So, fun trivia, I've actually taken out a player in PvP while I was on a discord call with them (in my guild), and they never realized it was me. It's not hard to coordinate between players and game the system for AP gains, if that's your goal, and it is cheating. It violates the design of Cyrodiil.

Flaaklypa

TequilaFire wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

In a universe with millions of planets, one could hope there is one where the inhabitants worry about what they do instead of spending so much time worrying about what others do.

When things that others do affects all of us we SHOULD worry about what they do. That's what rules are for.

Oh? Please provide link to the rule that says you can't farm ap 24 hours a day.
No proof of cheating was provided by OP other than opinion.
11.5M ap is kind of low for three days actually.
Probably shouldn't mention Skyreach runs and grinding mobs in PvE then.

Hey, i appreciate your critisism. 11.5m in 3 days when there is no double ap is insane, have you ever done pvp, you would know. I have whispered the guy, and he openly admitted it to me in chat, stating he was only using what the game allows him to. I didnt think it was needed to write details as to why this particular player was boosting, since it wasnt the point of the thread. The point was to ask if he really was allowed to? Which he was not. Jessica stated sometime in 2018 that they massbanned a bunch of people and resetted their ap due to a crazy amount of ap farming that year.

I remember this campaign since i was nr 5 on the leaderboard with 2.6M AP (in 3 days).

This thread is from 2020 and likely will get closed. They dont want old threads up in the frontpage but thats fine.

Stay safe, as always😊

Nyladreas

VaranisArano wrote: »

Here's the most relevant ZOS quote I can find, from the Bleakers incident:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We just completed a mass action on a few hundred accounts that were involved in regular coordinated cross-alliance AP farming. Specifically, swapping resources and keeps to farm high amounts of AP in a short period of time. Not only does this behavior harm our PvP gameplay and community, but it is also a Terms of Service violation. Accounts found taking part in cross-alliance AP farming may be subject to disciplinary actions.

Here’s the break-down of the accounts we took action on and where they were:

• PC/Mac – Europe: 170 accounts
• PlayStation 4 – Europe: 42 accounts
• PlayStation 4 – North America: 39 accounts
• Xbox One – Europe: 50 accounts
• Xbox One – North America: 61 accounts

Those involved have received a three-day suspension at minimum and removal of all AP from their accounts. If you were involved, you have received an email with an official warning.

Thank you to everyone who reported this exploit. Please help us keep ESO’s PvP content fun, competitive, and fair for all.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3961106#Comment_3961106


So if you have evidence, report it. Cross Alliance AP farming isn't allowed.

LOOOOL 3 DAY BAN AND AP REMOVE BUT THEY GET TO KEEP THEIR EMPEROR CHEEVE ...

YOU SURE SHOWED THEM, ZOS!!!😂😂😂😂😂

Flaaklypa

TequilaFire wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

In a universe with millions of planets, one could hope there is one where the inhabitants worry about what they do instead of spending so much time worrying about what others do.

When things that others do affects all of us we SHOULD worry about what they do. That's what rules are for.

Oh? Please provide link to the rule that says you can't farm ap 24 hours a day.
No proof of cheating was provided by OP other than opinion.
11.5M ap is kind of low for three days actually.
Probably shouldn't mention Skyreach runs and grinding mobs in PvE then.

Hello again, here is the proof this is against ToS:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3961106#Comment_3961106

Also, comparing xp farming in skyreach to blocking people from leaderboards by farming ur friends over and over in a competetive pvp achievement is hardly fair.

Goregrinder

Flaaklypa wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

In a universe with millions of planets, one could hope there is one where the inhabitants worry about what they do instead of spending so much time worrying about what others do.

When things that others do affects all of us we SHOULD worry about what they do. That's what rules are for.

Oh? Please provide link to the rule that says you can't farm ap 24 hours a day.
No proof of cheating was provided by OP other than opinion.
11.5M ap is kind of low for three days actually.
Probably shouldn't mention Skyreach runs and grinding mobs in PvE then.

Hello again, here is the proof this is against ToS:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3961106#Comment_3961106

Also, comparing xp farming in skyreach to blocking people from leaderboards by farming ur friends over and over in a competetive pvp achievement is hardly fair.

You didn't answer his question...what rule states that a player cannot be logged in for 24 hours and farm AP if they should so chose?

TequilaFire

I never said cross alliance farming was fair and I don't condone it.
I said it is possible to generate that amount of ap in three days as I have seen it legitimately done.
With the ap boost from killing a cyro delve boss and controlling the map for alliance boosts while playing under low population bonus it can be done.

Flaaklypa

Goregrinder wrote: »

Flaaklypa wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

In a universe with millions of planets, one could hope there is one where the inhabitants worry about what they do instead of spending so much time worrying about what others do.

When things that others do affects all of us we SHOULD worry about what they do. That's what rules are for.

Oh? Please provide link to the rule that says you can't farm ap 24 hours a day.
No proof of cheating was provided by OP other than opinion.
11.5M ap is kind of low for three days actually.
Probably shouldn't mention Skyreach runs and grinding mobs in PvE then.

Hello again, here is the proof this is against ToS:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3961106#Comment_3961106

Also, comparing xp farming in skyreach to blocking people from leaderboards by farming ur friends over and over in a competetive pvp achievement is hardly fair.

You didn't answer his question...what rule states that a player cannot be logged in for 24 hours and farm AP if they should so chose?

What are you actually asking? Farming ap the legal way is allowed obviously, farming ap by getting boosted from your friends as a "shortcut" isnt allowed. Which is what everyone here was talking about. Im not sure if you even know what the topic in this thread really is. @ZOS_ConnorG you can go ahead and close this thread, its old, and someone else can open a new one. 😎

Goregrinder

TequilaFire wrote: »

I never said cross alliance farming was fair and I don't condone it.
I said it is possible to generate that amount of ap in three days as I have seen it legitimately done.
With the ap boost from killing a cyro delve boss and controlling the map for alliance boosts while playing under low population bonus it can be done.

Exactly, so the obvious question would be how would ZOS determine the difference between a player legitimately gaining that much AP in that amount of time vs a player who is "gaming" the system to do it? How would they be able to tell the difference?

TequilaFire

It goes back to proof, would need video of the cross alliance farming to prod ZOS into checking the server logs.

Goregrinder

@Flaaklypa

I believe the gentleman said: "Please provide link to the rule that says you can't farm ap 24 hours a day." And the link you provided did not do that.

Is there anything you can link that states: "Players are prohibited from being logged in for more than 6 hours at a time each day, and cannot farm more than x=amount of AP within a 24 hour period..." or something along those lines? Any insight you can give the rest of us on this?

VaranisArano

wolfbone wrote: »

I dont think it's cheating as you can do it in game.

Yeah, that's the excuse people gave for farming 1 million exp per kill in the Imperial City at Dragonbones Lauch or using the snipe exploit in vAS.

It didn't fly with ZOS.
That's not to say that ZOS sometimes doesn't forgive obvious exploits, but rather, that's a poor excuse that doesn't actually work.

Flaaklypa

Goregrinder wrote: »

@Flaaklypa

I believe the gentleman said: "Please provide link to the rule that says you can't farm ap 24 hours a day." And the link you provided did not do that.

Is there anything you can link that states: "Players are prohibited from being logged in for more than 6 hours at a time each day, and cannot farm more than x=amount of AP within a 24 hour period..." or something along those lines? Any insight you can give the rest of us on this?

Wow. Why? Why are you asking that? It is completely irrelevant to the topic of the thread. I showed why farming xp by using boosting is not allowed. Which is the whole point of the thread. I ask you again, what does farming normal AP the legit way have anything to do under the thread? Let me answer cause i know; nothing. Utterly irrelevant.

I never mentioned farming ap legal isnt allowed, so why are you bringing it in? I said farming YOUR FRIENDS OVER AND OVER IS. What is there you dont get with that?

Mayrael

TequilaFire wrote: »

It goes back to proof, would need video of the cross alliance farming to prod ZOS into checking the server logs.

TBH you don't need video. Just provide place, time and if it is possible nicknames of all involved players, then ZOS can check the logs anyway. Simple as that, I've seen and reported things like this many times. That's why I don't get your "proof" attitude. If someone seen some illegal behaviour or has justified doubts about someone's else actions he can always report them and ZOS will determine was there foul play involved - that's it.

kargen27

Goregrinder wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Not really a cheat

Exploiting mechanics for an unfair advantage is cheating.

The TOS says that I can't share my account, and can't have anyone else log in and play for me right? But if I pay someone to come to my house, sit behind my computer, log into my account, and play my toons for me, while I go sky diving or go shopping or whatever it is....how would ZOS know that the human being sitting behind my computer controlling my toons isn't me? Would they be able to prove that I'm breaking the TOS?

Probably not. Proving players are abusing AP gaining methods can be proven though. Since both are against the ToS both could be considered cheating.

starkerealm

Nyladreas wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Here's the most relevant ZOS quote I can find, from the Bleakers incident:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We just completed a mass action on a few hundred accounts that were involved in regular coordinated cross-alliance AP farming. Specifically, swapping resources and keeps to farm high amounts of AP in a short period of time. Not only does this behavior harm our PvP gameplay and community, but it is also a Terms of Service violation. Accounts found taking part in cross-alliance AP farming may be subject to disciplinary actions.

Here’s the break-down of the accounts we took action on and where they were:

• PC/Mac – Europe: 170 accounts
• PlayStation 4 – Europe: 42 accounts
• PlayStation 4 – North America: 39 accounts
• Xbox One – Europe: 50 accounts
• Xbox One – North America: 61 accounts

Those involved have received a three-day suspension at minimum and removal of all AP from their accounts. If you were involved, you have received an email with an official warning.

Thank you to everyone who reported this exploit. Please help us keep ESO’s PvP content fun, competitive, and fair for all.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3961106#Comment_3961106


So if you have evidence, report it. Cross Alliance AP farming isn't allowed.

LOOOOL 3 DAY BAN AND AP REMOVE BUT THEY GET TO KEEP THEIR EMPEROR CHEEVE ...

YOU SURE SHOWED THEM, ZOS!!!😂😂😂😂😂

Yeah, the lack of meaningful punishment for that is just mind boggling.

Mayrael

starkerealm wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Here's the most relevant ZOS quote I can find, from the Bleakers incident:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We just completed a mass action on a few hundred accounts that were involved in regular coordinated cross-alliance AP farming. Specifically, swapping resources and keeps to farm high amounts of AP in a short period of time. Not only does this behavior harm our PvP gameplay and community, but it is also a Terms of Service violation. Accounts found taking part in cross-alliance AP farming may be subject to disciplinary actions.

Here’s the break-down of the accounts we took action on and where they were:

• PC/Mac – Europe: 170 accounts
• PlayStation 4 – Europe: 42 accounts
• PlayStation 4 – North America: 39 accounts
• Xbox One – Europe: 50 accounts
• Xbox One – North America: 61 accounts

Those involved have received a three-day suspension at minimum and removal of all AP from their accounts. If you were involved, you have received an email with an official warning.

Thank you to everyone who reported this exploit. Please help us keep ESO’s PvP content fun, competitive, and fair for all.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3961106#Comment_3961106


So if you have evidence, report it. Cross Alliance AP farming isn't allowed.

LOOOOL 3 DAY BAN AND AP REMOVE BUT THEY GET TO KEEP THEIR EMPEROR CHEEVE ...

YOU SURE SHOWED THEM, ZOS!!!😂😂😂😂😂

Yeah, the lack of meaningful punishment for that is just mind boggling.

Yeah. Achivements should be removed to. Next offense in this matter should last 1 month and again AP removal nad achievements. Next half a year and then perma ban.

starkerealm

Mayrael wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Here's the most relevant ZOS quote I can find, from the Bleakers incident:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We just completed a mass action on a few hundred accounts that were involved in regular coordinated cross-alliance AP farming. Specifically, swapping resources and keeps to farm high amounts of AP in a short period of time. Not only does this behavior harm our PvP gameplay and community, but it is also a Terms of Service violation. Accounts found taking part in cross-alliance AP farming may be subject to disciplinary actions.

Here’s the break-down of the accounts we took action on and where they were:

• PC/Mac – Europe: 170 accounts
• PlayStation 4 – Europe: 42 accounts
• PlayStation 4 – North America: 39 accounts
• Xbox One – Europe: 50 accounts
• Xbox One – North America: 61 accounts

Those involved have received a three-day suspension at minimum and removal of all AP from their accounts. If you were involved, you have received an email with an official warning.

Thank you to everyone who reported this exploit. Please help us keep ESO’s PvP content fun, competitive, and fair for all.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3961106#Comment_3961106


So if you have evidence, report it. Cross Alliance AP farming isn't allowed.

LOOOOL 3 DAY BAN AND AP REMOVE BUT THEY GET TO KEEP THEIR EMPEROR CHEEVE ...

YOU SURE SHOWED THEM, ZOS!!!😂😂😂😂😂

Yeah, the lack of meaningful punishment for that is just mind boggling.

Yeah. Achivements should be removed to. Next offense in this matter should last 1 month and again AP removal nad achievements. Next half a year and then perma ban.

Based on what I know, I suspect achievement removal isn't actually an option, which means, with Emp cheating, I'm inclined to say, "just nuke the account."

Mayrael

starkerealm wrote: »

[...]

Based on what I know, I suspect achievement removal isn't actually an option, which means, with Emp cheating, I'm inclined to say, "just nuke the account."

Oh totally agree then.

TequilaFire

Mayrael wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

It goes back to proof, would need video of the cross alliance farming to prod ZOS into checking the server logs.

TBH you don't need video. Just provide place, time and if it is possible nicknames of all involved players, then ZOS can check the logs anyway. Simple as that, I've seen and reported things like this many times. That's why I don't get your "proof" attitude. If someone seen some illegal behaviour or has justified doubts about someone's else actions he can always report them and ZOS will determine was there foul play involved - that's it.

Well with the amount of emp farming that goes on ZOS must not be finding what they consider"foul" play from just the logs.
Or could it be they don't consider it "foul"?
And please the Bleaker's example was outlier example where ZOS was forced to do something.