Emperor cheating against ToS?

Flaaklypa

Some days ago someone AP boosted 11.5M AP in 3 days and got emperor. This ruins all the fun and competetive experience with chasing emperor. And it is frankly impossible to beat this blatantly obvious cheating.

Is this against ToS, or are zos really ok with this AP boosting?

pauld1_ESO

How is this "AP boosting" accomplished??

red_emu

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

How is this "AP boosting" accomplished??

I think people flip keeps back and forth all night? Or guildies log on to a different alliance and let someone kill them over and over?

It's been stated many times, that this is a ban worthy offence but people still do it.

This is why need alliance lock across all campaigns.

L_Nici

AP Boosting is done by creating fake battles around keeps, mostly your friends or guild are the enemy, and they attack a keep without flagging it so no one else notices unless its said in chat. Then the one who gets boosted fights around that keep against his friends, which creates a huge deftick since he is mostly outnumbered and alone. He doesn't even need to kill them all for it, he kills all but one maybe, they get ressed by the one surviving player and repeat. The longer the individual battles last the more AP he gets.

And yes thats against ToS and a valid report reason, but most of the time nothing happens even if reportet.

Ascarl

With some google work you can even find the $ rates of this "service"

Qbiken

red_emu wrote: »

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

How is this "AP boosting" accomplished??

I think people flip keeps back and forth all night? Or guildies log on to a different alliance and let someone kill them over and over?

It's been stated many times, that this is a ban worthy offence but people still do it.

This is why need alliance lock across all campaigns.

Imagine being so delusional to believe that alliance lock would prevent this behavior.

Daemons_Bane

Not really a cheat

VaranisArano

Here's the most relevant ZOS quote I can find, from the Bleakers incident:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We just completed a mass action on a few hundred accounts that were involved in regular coordinated cross-alliance AP farming. Specifically, swapping resources and keeps to farm high amounts of AP in a short period of time. Not only does this behavior harm our PvP gameplay and community, but it is also a Terms of Service violation. Accounts found taking part in cross-alliance AP farming may be subject to disciplinary actions.

Here’s the break-down of the accounts we took action on and where they were:

• PC/Mac – Europe: 170 accounts
• PlayStation 4 – Europe: 42 accounts
• PlayStation 4 – North America: 39 accounts
• Xbox One – Europe: 50 accounts
• Xbox One – North America: 61 accounts

Those involved have received a three-day suspension at minimum and removal of all AP from their accounts. If you were involved, you have received an email with an official warning.

Thank you to everyone who reported this exploit. Please help us keep ESO’s PvP content fun, competitive, and fair for all.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3961106#Comment_3961106


So if you have evidence, report it. Cross Alliance AP farming isn't allowed.

ArchMikem

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Not really a cheat

Exploiting mechanics for an unfair advantage is cheating.

UGotBenched91

Qbiken wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

How is this "AP boosting" accomplished??

I think people flip keeps back and forth all night? Or guildies log on to a different alliance and let someone kill them over and over?

It's been stated many times, that this is a ban worthy offence but people still do it.

This is why need alliance lock across all campaigns.

Imagine being so delusional to believe that alliance lock would prevent this behavior.

Wow....chill out. Someone needs a nap.

Flaaklypa

L_Nici wrote: »

AP Boosting is done by creating fake battles around keeps, mostly your friends or guild are the enemy, and they attack a keep without flagging it so no one else notices unless its said in chat. Then the one who gets boosted fights around that keep against his friends, which creates a huge deftick since he is mostly outnumbered and alone. He doesn't even need to kill them all for it, he kills all but one maybe, they get ressed by the one surviving player and repeat. The longer the individual battles last the more AP he gets.

And yes thats against ToS and a valid report reason, but most of the time nothing happens even if reportet.

i would if i were you delete this. discussing exploits is against forum rules

thatESOdude

Remove alliance lock from all campaigns

Intha1313

Got screens of AD players and Dc players doing this ..... they're still playing. Maybe action used to be taken but it seems not so much anymore *shrug*

Beardimus

frontend wrote: »

Some days ago someone AP boosted 11.5M AP in 3 days and got emperor. This ruins all the fun and competetive experience with chasing emperor. And it is frankly impossible to beat this blatantly obvious cheating.

Is this against ToS, or are zos really ok with this AP boosting?

I've raised this a few times. You get interesting replies, many agree but you will get loads saying it's normal and accepted.

Boosting causes loads of problems in general, devalues Emp, and you get salty types controlling the scores or devaluing AP ranks etc

It's annoying, sucks and puts people of PvP but you'll get mixed opinions on here @frontend

All I'll say if it keeps going industrial style just report em daily in the hope ZOS will act

CaffeinatedMayhem

frontend wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

AP Boosting is done by creating fake battles around keeps, mostly your friends or guild are the enemy, and they attack a keep without flagging it so no one else notices unless its said in chat. Then the one who gets boosted fights around that keep against his friends, which creates a huge deftick since he is mostly outnumbered and alone. He doesn't even need to kill them all for it, he kills all but one maybe, they get ressed by the one surviving player and repeat. The longer the individual battles last the more AP he gets.

And yes thats against ToS and a valid report reason, but most of the time nothing happens even if reportet.

i would if i were you delete this. discussing exploits is against forum rules

If discussing AP boosting is against forum rules, better go back 6 years and delete all the posts about it. Look at the data on that action post @VaranisArano linked... 2017. I remember that action, it was in response to 3 YEARS of this blatantly happening.

AP boosting was VERY common around launch, then died down after a series of bans. I guess selling skins/titles/Godslayer with cheats isn't profitable enough anymore, now we're AP boosting... again.

Juhasow

red_emu wrote: »

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

How is this "AP boosting" accomplished??

I think people flip keeps back and forth all night? Or guildies log on to a different alliance and let someone kill them over and over?

It's been stated many times, that this is a ban worthy offence but people still do it.

This is why need alliance lock across all campaigns.

What if I told You alliance lock also prevents people from the same alliance as exploiter from relogging on their other alliance characters to stop him ?

CaffeinatedMayhem

Juhasow wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

How is this "AP boosting" accomplished??

I think people flip keeps back and forth all night? Or guildies log on to a different alliance and let someone kill them over and over?

It's been stated many times, that this is a ban worthy offence but people still do it.

This is why need alliance lock across all campaigns.

What if I told You alliance lock also prevents people from the same alliance as exploiter from relogging on their other alliance characters to stop him ?

WHy do you need to swap alliances to report people?

Hint: dying during a keep defense does not decrease your dtick, and as long as the keep does not fall while you are rezzing... the AP keeps accumulating.

CaffeinatedMayhem

@frontend I don't know who you're talking about, as I've been too busy digging to PvP... but was it this guy by any chance?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6960729#Comment_6960729

If so, that's a big fat report for them and the guild(s) they partnered with.

NB: my comment there is incorrect, as they didn't ask about boosting thru keeps, just feeding (killing other players and rezzing eachother). That is not beneficial enough anymore to be worth doing at all, same with RSS flipping. I know it still happens, and I just deny the *** AP by letting them keep the rss.

Pauwer

It surprises me what players think of and have time to do. I've never seen this happen, but sounds utterly ridiculous. I lol lol lol

VaranisArano

Juhasow wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

How is this "AP boosting" accomplished??

I think people flip keeps back and forth all night? Or guildies log on to a different alliance and let someone kill them over and over?

It's been stated many times, that this is a ban worthy offence but people still do it.

This is why need alliance lock across all campaigns.

What if I told You alliance lock also prevents people from the same alliance as exploiter from relogging on their other alliance characters to stop him ?

It prevents you from logging onto the other alliances to kill the booster, but not from reporting him. Or perhaps more pertinently, being on the same alliance allows you to call out the boosting guy in zone chat or to kill the players who are feeding him AP if you want to take concrete, immediate action against the booster.

So unless you really feel deprived of the chance to go all vigilante and kill the booster yourself, you aren't missing much.

PizzaCat82

Shoot, they'll sell Emp on some servers. And while its hard to guarantee Emp with everyone else trying for it, its stupidly easy to prevent another person from getting it. So you're not so much buying it, but rather buying someone's protection from getting locked out.

The dark side of PVP is that the ones that farm Emp are extremely good at it, and can sell it to whoever they want.

CaffeinatedMayhem

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Shoot, they'll sell Emp on some servers. And while its hard to guarantee Emp with everyone else trying for it, its stupidly easy to prevent another person from getting it. So you're not so much buying it, but rather buying someone's protection from getting locked out.

The dark side of PVP is that the ones that farm Emp are extremely good at it, and can sell it to whoever they want.

What if I told you that a *very* well known PC/NA player who has emp almost permanently and will actively prevent certain people from overtaking them on leaderboards... but leave campaign for their friends so they can get emp, usually last week of campaign.

I never knew this player to take money for it... but I do know other players (same alliance, same campaign) who have.

Defilted

I do not think ZOS bans anyone for anything unless it is crown store related. The behavior of some people just in zone chat is insane. If ZOS paid any attention to the report function it would be surprising to me. It could be there are not enough resources to monitor it at all.


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Juhasow

VaranisArano wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

How is this "AP boosting" accomplished??

I think people flip keeps back and forth all night? Or guildies log on to a different alliance and let someone kill them over and over?

It's been stated many times, that this is a ban worthy offence but people still do it.

This is why need alliance lock across all campaigns.

What if I told You alliance lock also prevents people from the same alliance as exploiter from relogging on their other alliance characters to stop him ?

It prevents you from logging onto the other alliances to kill the booster, but not from reporting him. Or perhaps more pertinently, being on the same alliance allows you to call out the boosting guy in zone chat or to kill the players who are feeding him AP if you want to take concrete, immediate action against the booster.

So unless you really feel deprived of the chance to go all vigilante and kill the booster yourself, you aren't missing much.

Guess what's easier 1v1 when 10 players are watching or 1v10 when 1 player is watching ?

Knightpanther

Emperors/Empresses are '10 a penny' it doesn't really devalue anything.
And yes its cheating and we all know which players have actually earned it and who didnt.

Be Safe

VaranisArano

Juhasow wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

How is this "AP boosting" accomplished??

I think people flip keeps back and forth all night? Or guildies log on to a different alliance and let someone kill them over and over?

It's been stated many times, that this is a ban worthy offence but people still do it.

This is why need alliance lock across all campaigns.

What if I told You alliance lock also prevents people from the same alliance as exploiter from relogging on their other alliance characters to stop him ?

It prevents you from logging onto the other alliances to kill the booster, but not from reporting him. Or perhaps more pertinently, being on the same alliance allows you to call out the boosting guy in zone chat or to kill the players who are feeding him AP if you want to take concrete, immediate action against the booster.

So unless you really feel deprived of the chance to go all vigilante and kill the booster yourself, you aren't missing much.

Guess what's easier 1v1 when 10 players are watching or 1v10 when 1 player is watching ?

As I said, if your goal is to kill the booster on your faction, you'll miss out on a faction-locked campaign.

If your goal is to stop the boosting, common sense suggests you don't have to 1v10. You've got other options:
Report the booster and the assisting players. Tell them you are doing so to discourage them.
Be annoying by leeching the booster's Defense tick when their friends kill you.
Call it out in zone chat. Encourage other players to witness, report, or not push that person for emp. If you need backup, call on a group to come deal with the booster's friends.
Tell the other front runners for emperor. They've got the most reason to report or otherwise act to stop the boosting. Having been in an emp push where we were fighting a booster, knowing where they were boosting would be the perfect opportunity for us to come wipe the booster's friends and leech their tick.

Now, the booster and friends might just back off and find another place to boost...but that's true of you killing them as well.

Let's not act like being in a faction-locked campaign means we just have to throw up our hands when someone's boosting to get emp. We can clean up our faction's rotten apples in other ways, particularly if we actually work together as a faction.

VoidCommander

I see a lot of the negative attitude about this being directed at Emp farmers, but what if people are boosting just to level up their alliance war rank because they don’t like doing PvP? Legate Black is a very nice dye and very few PvEers ever get it due to the extreme amount of PvP time required.

Is this still considered morally unethical, if it doesn’t hurt anyone’s chances for Emp?

Goregrinder

ArchMikem wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Not really a cheat

Exploiting mechanics for an unfair advantage is cheating.

The TOS says that I can't share my account, and can't have anyone else log in and play for me right? But if I pay someone to come to my house, sit behind my computer, log into my account, and play my toons for me, while I go sky diving or go shopping or whatever it is....how would ZOS know that the human being sitting behind my computer controlling my toons isn't me? Would they be able to prove that I'm breaking the TOS?

TequilaFire

In a universe with millions of planets, one could hope there is one where the inhabitants worry about what they do instead of spending so much time worrying about what others do.

B0SSzombie

The crazy thing is I've looked up the kind of fees people charged, since I had (extremely) briefly considered exploiting Emperor.

But these types of boosting cost $500-800 real life dollars! Who in their right mind would pay anything close to that for a title and costume!?

Although, thinking about it,

I'd bet that the bulk of people that do it on consoles are doing it for the XBox Achievement/PlayStation Trophy. Personally, it's the only Trophy I'm missing from the base game, so I get that kind of frustration. Leaderboard based Achievements/Trophies are the worst kind, since they just end up getting (illegally) boosted like this.

Maybe if there was an additional way to unlock that achievement/trophy, you'd see way less cheating?

But it would have to be an obnoxiously long grind to make it fair. Something like completing Cadwell's Gold, all the Cyrodiil Quests, the Imperial City Questline, and maybe some other stuff.

It could be similar to the Epilogue quests we get in the "Year of" content now. You do all that stuff and then there's another quest that gives you a title like "False Emperor" and unlocks the XBox Achievement/PlayStation Trophy.

Mayrael

TequilaFire wrote: »

In a universe with millions of planets, one could hope there is one where the inhabitants worry about what they do instead of spending so much time worrying about what others do.

When things that others do affects all of us we SHOULD worry about what they do. That's what rules are for.