PvP Tierlist for Stonethorn

BohnT2

Hello,
as with every new Patch the PvP meta has undergone some changes which resulted in different specs being more or less viable depending on the situation.

Without further ado here's the new PvP Tierlist compiled by the Class Rep discord and some of the best PvPers in the game

Just like we did with earlier tierlists there's also a small compiled list which ranks each class in some other stats and gives some explanations.


Do note that the AoE tests haven't been taken into consideration when making this list, they don't affect any ranking decision.

The biggest changes will be listed here again:

For solo play in Cp PvP stamnecro and stamwarden have been deemed to be so overbearing that they've shifted everything else down by almost a whole tier to show how dominating they are.

Stamina templar has taken a huge hit and has become the worst stamina spec by far, this negative trend can be seen in almost any situation.

Proc sets have become the most defining thing this patch, even the worst offensive spec (magicka necromancer) is able to kill enemies with them. This trend has very negatively affected PvP overall however.

We hope you can agree on the list and if not tell us why you feel differently.

With Markarth being about to launch in 4 weeks we hope to see some more changes in the Tierlist as they have been more or less stable when it comes to who's at the top and who's the sad losers.

If you want to be part of the discussion for the next tier list make sure to join the Class Rep discord.

https://discord.gg/FkGsGXn

Urzigurumash

When you say BGs, you mean Death Match right?

GrigorijMalahevich

Urzigurumash wrote: »

When you say BGs, you mean Death Match right?

every BG mode is a Death Match if you are brave enough

Urzigurumash

GrigorijMalahevich wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

When you say BGs, you mean Death Match right?

every BG mode is a Death Match if you are brave enough

Or if you're scared of the ball

Urzigurumash

But yes @GrigorijMalahevich back when there was a stricter MMR I could agree with you, every match sometimes turned into something like a death match. Nowadays with the random assortment of experience levels, an experienced player on a high damage output class might as well sit in their base and play their esraj, they're not stopping an experienced player on a tanky class from shutting down a Relic / Chaosball game unless they can persuade their inexperienced teammates to attack the objective. In my opinion, when it comes to that, StamDK remains #1 "running back" (in US football terms), so to see us listed as last for BGs is about as jarring as seeing that a certain playstyle in Solo CP Cyro was clearly excluded when ranking MagCro and MagNB.

Anyhow really when it comes to BG balance, it's all irrelevant quite soon with the restoration of Group Match and the elimination of mode-specific queues. Who knows what we're gonna get.

MurderMostFoul

Nice list.

Only critique I'd give is related to the BG portion. Looks quite accurate, except I'd move StamNB down a tick or two. They are to reliant on having competent teammates. Even though they can get the most kills, they are rarely the driving force behind a team's victory in DM. Them need teammates who can openly engage, and absorb some pressure without dying.

IneedaDollar

This is actually a nice thread.
A well crafted Tierlist from experienced players who know what they are doing.
Not some opinion based ***.
Thank you

Firstmep

I wouldnt necesseraly put Stam DK below stamplar for bgs, leap into execute is still an incredible tool for battlegrounds, but otherwise theyre in. The same spot as Templar, not really offering anything offensively outside of procsets.
I'm glade you recognize stamsorc as a top tier bg class, not enough ppl do.
Altough it should be noted that no cp stamsorc strength is heavily tied into procsets since their burst tools otherwise are kinda meh at best.
I would also put stamblade higher rank in bgs, mainly Beacuse of procsets and hide playstyle especially with snipe is very risk/reward effective and possibly as good as using procsets on stamsorc(even if stamblade isn't as good overall).

Mitrenga

I would say it is pretty much spot on.

barney2525

Wardens are great and templars are garbage

I so sad now

Berchelous

S+ Tier: Lag and Proc Sets

Vanagrand

Couldnt agree more.

Aedrion

So what's this S-tier stamsorc build? We've been dunked on for a fair while, it's about time we got something cool.
If your reply is going to be Draurgkin on a brick-build, I will come to your house and slap you.

BohnT2

Aedrion wrote: »

So what's this S-tier stamsorc build? We've been dunked on for a fair while, it's about time we got something cool.
If your reply is going to be Draurgkin on a brick-build, I will come to your house and slap you.

Like everything in no cp this patch it's a proc build

Firstmep

Aedrion wrote: »

So what's this S-tier stamsorc build? We've been dunked on for a fair while, it's about time we got something cool.
If your reply is going to be Draurgkin on a brick-build, I will come to your house and slap you.

5 proc 5 proc, bombard streak.
Win. Stamsorc has the best tools to run full on proctato and still survive with mobility and sustain.
I dunno how s tier but I run Syvarra +ev+balorgh+master dual wield. High sustain, mobility and the dmg is there especially after balorgh proc.
And bombard streak is incredibly strong cc combo.
Draugrkin is defo there too, and so is azureblight sorc.
Take your pick.

Sleep724

So the two classes behind a paywall are top tier?

I’m shocked I tell you, shocked.

Zulera301

and people didn't believe me when I told them stamDK was severely underpowered/underwhelming/not nearly as good as it needs to be.

BangX

Templars need a rework.

StaticWave

Aedrion wrote: »

So what's this S-tier stamsorc build? We've been dunked on for a fair while, it's about time we got something cool.
If your reply is going to be Draurgkin on a brick-build, I will come to your house and slap you.

Any procset combination lol. As much as I hate to say, building procsets allow stamsorcs to maximize their strength, which is mobility and AoE CC.

Recapitated

Urzigurumash wrote: »

In my opinion, when it comes to that, StamDK remains #1 "running back" (in US football terms)

I would guess stamDK has nothing over stamden when it comes to chaosball. Shimmering Shield beats wings, group major protection probably beats magma shell, both have major mending, warden has major expedition and a purge. The DK would be dead once afflicted with proc sets.

hakan

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Nice list.

Only critique I'd give is related to the BG portion. Looks quite accurate, except I'd move StamNB down a tick or two. They are to reliant on having competent teammates. Even though they can get the most kills, they are rarely the driving force behind a team's victory in DM. Them need teammates who can openly engage, and absorb some pressure without dying.

lol so true. i mean i cant say im really good but 3days in a row i get the most vanilla teammates in bgs while the two other teams are all tanky-bursty-proccy builds that drives me crazy. i couldnt even stand up two seconds with my nb if i try to kill someone.

this was like 15times in a row. truely nightmarish. i mean proc sets are fine by me but this is too much.

Gorreck

BangX wrote: »

Templars need a rework.

Yep, it was said repeatedly when things were on the PTS that Templars (Magplars to some degree and Stamplars especially) would be hit really hard in PvE and completely devestated in PvP.

But nothing was done about it and it all went Live and here we are.

I honestly don't know how they let things go Live like this.

erio

If stamblade isnt good at solo idk what is

BohnT2

erio wrote: »

If stamblade isnt good at solo idk what is

it's tied with magsorc as the best solo class of the old ones in cp.
The A-Tier ranking is not ment to be seen as stamnb being bad but to show how dominant stamencro and stamwarden are

pauld1_ESO

So accurate. All the cry about Stamblades is just your standard MMO stealther cry. Good yes, the best.....nope.

pauld1_ESO

erio wrote: »

If stamblade isnt good at solo idk what is

I liken the bias against stamblades to how people view drone strikes. You can take out 30 people with a B-1 bomber and it won't make the news, kill 1 with a drone and people are out protesting.

Something about being killed by someone you did not know was there just sets people off. You can't defend yourself, you just die usually. I get it.

x48rph

IneedaDollar wrote: »

This is actually a nice thread.
A well crafted Tierlist from experienced players who know what they are doing.
Not some opinion based ***.
Thank you

Any such list by its very definition is opinion based. Which is why you have people who disagree. That being said I can't really argue with too much. I'd move a few up or down a little but nothing blatantly out of place that I'd bother arguing over

Joy_Division

BangX wrote: »

Templars need a rework.

No. They need the devs to stop "improving" them.

The OP's list looks about right but the best CLASS in B tier. Proc sets are S and A.

Shagreth

Cheers for this, bit of a noob in the PvP scene, but where would you place say.. a DK werewolf? (slightly tankier than the rest I guess) for vampires I'm afraid to even ask, but would like to hear your thoughts. If either are viable I might get interested (I mostly went solo in the past.. talking back when vampires were OP in Cyro)

Firstmep

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

erio wrote: »

If stamblade isnt good at solo idk what is

I liken the bias against stamblades to how people view drone strikes. You can take out 30 people with a B-1 bomber and it won't make the news, kill 1 with a drone and people are out protesting.

Something about being killed by someone you did not know was there just sets people off. You can't defend yourself, you just die usually. I get it.

To be fair in bgs there have been a lot of stamblades using double dot procs from range and just stealth away playstyle.
Pretty much 0 risk all reward playstyle unless somehow you screw up and someone catches you in a gapcloser.
You can even slot snipe and do some decent damage with it from range, thanks to all the lovely offensive buffs nightblades been getting.
You can do similar stuff on magblade with oblivions foe and brp destro, but I mean it's still magblade.

Also cloak suppressing dots can't be underestimated this patch, Templar purge costs 5k Magicka and only removes 5 negative effects and doesn't stop you from taking dmg from single target attacks either.
Definetly not a bad patch for stamblade.

BohnT2

Shagreth wrote: »

Cheers for this, bit of a noob in the PvP scene, but where would you place say.. a DK werewolf? (slightly tankier than the rest I guess) for vampires I'm afraid to even ask, but would like to hear your thoughts. If either are viable I might get interested (I mostly went solo in the past.. talking back when vampires were OP in Cyro)

If we were to place WW somewhere on the list it would be really high.
They have insane pressure with the strongest dot in the game, access to major and minor defile from a single skill.
The strongest instant spammable and access to the most powerful HP scaling heal which is benefiting a lot from the current trend of having more than 30k HP.

For bigger groups they'd fall behind a bit but can still prove their strengths with AoE major defile and an instant AoE stun that also applies major fracture and sets people off balance.


However stamdk is tied with stamplar to be one of the worst classes to run WW as most passives don't benefit you while in WW form, this is more like a slight drawback rather than an actual deal breaker.