Class change token

DeHei

I restarted the game with the class i liked since beta until i stopped playing 2 years ago... now the templar is really garbage. I would like to see a class change token in the shop, that i can use my most played char with another class. Btw. i never had the time to play many different chars.

West93

I agree. Templars punished once again. I am glad wardens getting similar treatment next patch.

Husan

This, or account wide achievements please.

Deathlord92

I feel like templar is still better then magblade

White wabbit

Class change has been asked for over 2 years so can’t see zos doing it as if they were it would have already happened

Moonsorrow

White wabbit wrote: »

Class change has been asked for over 2 years so can’t see zos doing it as if they were it would have already happened

People were also asking for a possibility to change their Alliance.. and for years the answer was "no". And now we have had the Alliance Change Tokens for a while.

So they do make these sorts of things happen. Sometimes just takes time because of limitations on the original code of the game and how much effort will it take to change all the things that such a feature would demand.

But yeah, i see it can be possible to get a Class Change token eventually too after we did get the Alliance Change token that was supposed to be one of those "never gonna happen" things.

Nairinhe

They said some time ago that they have no plans to add class change token. ZOS, of course, sometimes changes their mind, but for now it's a dead horse

White wabbit

Moonsorrow wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Class change has been asked for over 2 years so can’t see zos doing it as if they were it would have already happened

People were also asking for a possibility to change their Alliance.. and for years the answer was "no". And now we have had the Alliance Change Tokens for a while.

So they do make these sorts of things happen. Sometimes just takes time because of limitations on the original code of the game and how much effort will it take to change all the things that such a feature would demand.

But yeah, i see it can be possible to get a Class Change token eventually too after we did get the Alliance Change token that was supposed to be one of those "never gonna happen" things.

As the next post said zos have no plans to do this , alliance change was done so that you could go play with friends and guild mates , class change isn’t needed to be able to do this so isn’t needed

Eirikir

What zos has done doesn't matter. Microsoft is a whole new boot to lick.

Moonsorrow

White wabbit wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Class change has been asked for over 2 years so can’t see zos doing it as if they were it would have already happened

People were also asking for a possibility to change their Alliance.. and for years the answer was "no". And now we have had the Alliance Change Tokens for a while.

So they do make these sorts of things happen. Sometimes just takes time because of limitations on the original code of the game and how much effort will it take to change all the things that such a feature would demand.

But yeah, i see it can be possible to get a Class Change token eventually too after we did get the Alliance Change token that was supposed to be one of those "never gonna happen" things.

As the next post said zos have no plans to do this , alliance change was done so that you could go play with friends and guild mates , class change isn’t needed to be able to do this so isn’t needed

If you been around, ZOS said MANY times that Alliance change was not gonna happen because of many limitations so that it was not possible and that they "did not have plans to do it". Yet they did.

Would not be surprised to see it happen in next years chapter or at the next one after that.

ZOS got the data on how much people spend on a new character vs just changing it with a token and they would then put a price tag based on that. Will not be cheap i'd estimate. If had to guess it would be like 5k Crowns or even more.

Edit: Why would they do it you ask? Not needed? Opinions do not matter in such a decision. If Devs see that some people rather quit playing if their "main" or only character gets nerfed than grind new class character in a threadmill.. they rather get money out of them by giving the chance to change Class by paying for it. It is easy income to them then like the other Tokens are. You do not need any other reason for it or if it's "needed" or not. It will happen eventually. You'll see.

White wabbit

Moonsorrow wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Class change has been asked for over 2 years so can’t see zos doing it as if they were it would have already happened

People were also asking for a possibility to change their Alliance.. and for years the answer was "no". And now we have had the Alliance Change Tokens for a while.

So they do make these sorts of things happen. Sometimes just takes time because of limitations on the original code of the game and how much effort will it take to change all the things that such a feature would demand.

But yeah, i see it can be possible to get a Class Change token eventually too after we did get the Alliance Change token that was supposed to be one of those "never gonna happen" things.

As the next post said zos have no plans to do this , alliance change was done so that you could go play with friends and guild mates , class change isn’t needed to be able to do this so isn’t needed

If you been around, ZOS said MANY times that Alliance change was not gonna happen because of many limitations so that it was not possible and that they "did not have plans to do it". Yet they did.

Would not be surprised to see it happen in next years chapter or at the next one after that.

ZOS got the data on how much people spend on a new character vs just changing it with a token and they would then put a price tag based on that. Will not be cheap i'd estimate. If had to guess it would be like 5k Crowns or even more.

Funny have never seen zos said they wouldn’t do alliance change but did see them say they have no plans on class change and this is something that’s been asked for from around 2016 , but hey if you want to flog a dead horse on this subject then it’s your time , I just hate see the forum filling up with threads that won’t anywhere

Moonsorrow

White wabbit wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Class change has been asked for over 2 years so can’t see zos doing it as if they were it would have already happened

People were also asking for a possibility to change their Alliance.. and for years the answer was "no". And now we have had the Alliance Change Tokens for a while.

So they do make these sorts of things happen. Sometimes just takes time because of limitations on the original code of the game and how much effort will it take to change all the things that such a feature would demand.

But yeah, i see it can be possible to get a Class Change token eventually too after we did get the Alliance Change token that was supposed to be one of those "never gonna happen" things.

As the next post said zos have no plans to do this , alliance change was done so that you could go play with friends and guild mates , class change isn’t needed to be able to do this so isn’t needed

If you been around, ZOS said MANY times that Alliance change was not gonna happen because of many limitations so that it was not possible and that they "did not have plans to do it". Yet they did.

Would not be surprised to see it happen in next years chapter or at the next one after that.

ZOS got the data on how much people spend on a new character vs just changing it with a token and they would then put a price tag based on that. Will not be cheap i'd estimate. If had to guess it would be like 5k Crowns or even more.

Funny have never seen zos said they wouldn’t do alliance change but did see them say they have no plans on class change and this is something that’s been asked for from around 2016 , but hey if you want to flog a dead horse on this subject then it’s your time , I just hate see the forum filling up with threads that won’t anywhere

You will see. And i guess i have observed the forums and Devs social media and streams more than you since saw them saying MANY times Alliance change was not gonna happen. Until it did. They will keep quiet about the Class change until they get it done possible on coding and the pricing decisions. And until then they want people to grind new characters and spend on them. Would be bad business to let people know these things too long time before it happens, people make their gaming (and spending) decisions on things like that. Some who would not be satisfied to their "main" would instead of grinding new class just take a break until Class Token comes if they knew like half a year before it, would mean no money from those players to ZOS.

Thus, they will let us know about it JUST when there comes a Preview on PTS with that change when it happens, so only few weeks PTS cycle before it becomes a reality, not before that.

I mean, it is all basic business. No point explaining more.

etchedpixels

Just level up a new character. It's not exactly slow once you've done it the firs time, your CP carries over and if you want to throw crowns at it you can buy your completed skyshard sets instead. Not that the 10 southern elsweyr, 8 clockwork city, 11 main quest ones etc are hard to get whilst burning through levelling.

There are plenty of sensible reasons for not announcing things in advance - such as if they then have to be pulled or happen very slowly. I seem to remember being promised much faster login times some months ago, but it seems they've had to shift to other priorities. Had they not told me I'd not be disappointed and been pleasantly surprised when/if it happened, but they did tell us and now its a disappointment !

badmojo

They should give players a bunch of character slots, like maybe 8.

Husan

etchedpixels wrote: »

Just level up a new character. It's not exactly slow once you've done it the firs time, your CP carries over and if you want to throw crowns at it you can buy your completed skyshard sets instead. Not that the 10 southern elsweyr, 8 clockwork city, 11 main quest ones etc are hard to get whilst burning through levelling.

What about achievement points? Are they also not slow to collect?

White wabbit

Moonsorrow wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Class change has been asked for over 2 years so can’t see zos doing it as if they were it would have already happened

People were also asking for a possibility to change their Alliance.. and for years the answer was "no". And now we have had the Alliance Change Tokens for a while.

So they do make these sorts of things happen. Sometimes just takes time because of limitations on the original code of the game and how much effort will it take to change all the things that such a feature would demand.

But yeah, i see it can be possible to get a Class Change token eventually too after we did get the Alliance Change token that was supposed to be one of those "never gonna happen" things.

As the next post said zos have no plans to do this , alliance change was done so that you could go play with friends and guild mates , class change isn’t needed to be able to do this so isn’t needed

If you been around, ZOS said MANY times that Alliance change was not gonna happen because of many limitations so that it was not possible and that they "did not have plans to do it". Yet they did.

Would not be surprised to see it happen in next years chapter or at the next one after that.

ZOS got the data on how much people spend on a new character vs just changing it with a token and they would then put a price tag based on that. Will not be cheap i'd estimate. If had to guess it would be like 5k Crowns or even more.

Funny have never seen zos said they wouldn’t do alliance change but did see them say they have no plans on class change and this is something that’s been asked for from around 2016 , but hey if you want to flog a dead horse on this subject then it’s your time , I just hate see the forum filling up with threads that won’t anywhere

You will see. And i guess i have observed the forums and Devs social media and streams more than you since saw them saying MANY times Alliance change was not gonna happen. Until it did. They will keep quiet about the Class change until they get it done possible on coding and the pricing decisions. And until then they want people to grind new characters and spend on them. Would be bad business to let people know these things too long time before it happens, people make their gaming (and spending) decisions on things like that. Some who would not be satisfied to their "main" would instead of grinding new class just take a break until Class Token comes if they knew like half a year before it, would mean no money from those players to ZOS.

Thus, they will let us know about it JUST when there comes a Preview on PTS with that change when it happens, so only few weeks PTS cycle before it becomes a reality, not before that.

I mean, it is all basic business. No point explaining more.

Basic business is That they get more out of people having multiple characters I:e slots , sky shards , skill lines etc than allowing a few to just change one character . No point explaining more 😀

kathandira

DeHei wrote: »

I restarted the game with the class i liked since beta until i stopped playing 2 years ago... now the templar is really garbage. I would like to see a class change token in the shop, that i can use my most played char with another class. Btw. i never had the time to play many different chars.

You can purchase up to 18 character slots. That is enough for 3 of each class. You can also purchase 150% xp scrolls. You can craft Training Armor and Weapons. And you can purchase skill lines and skyshard skill points.

No need for a class change token.

pihlaja

It think it would feel kinda weird to have a lvl 50 character with zero idea about their class skills. It’s already weird enough to roll a mag char to stam or other way around. So personally I don’t see the need for these tokens, since you can use crowns to buy more character slots, or see myself using them even if they were available, but naturally I wouldn’t mind class change tokens being made available.

DeHei

kathandira wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

I restarted the game with the class i liked since beta until i stopped playing 2 years ago... now the templar is really garbage. I would like to see a class change token in the shop, that i can use my most played char with another class. Btw. i never had the time to play many different chars.

You can purchase up to 18 character slots. That is enough for 3 of each class. You can also purchase 150% xp scrolls. You can craft Training Armor and Weapons. And you can purchase skill lines and skyshard skill points.

No need for a class change token.

Man pls read my thread again. I dont have the time to play so much. How many years i would need to play 18 charakters?..
Also grinding for another charakter is that boring for me, that i was falling asleep while playing teso...
So for sure there is a need for player without 24/7 of time..

TineaCruris

Husan wrote: »

This, or account wide achievements please.

Yep, account wide achievements or a class change token is in order.

MakeMeUhSamich

TineaCruris wrote: »

Husan wrote: »

This, or account wide achievements please.

Yep, account wide achievements or a class change token is in order.

Agreed, it’s time.

AlnilamE

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I feel like templar is still better then magblade

Seriously. My stamplar makes my magblade cry in shame. And very fun to play too.

At this point, I guess since you can change your race and your alliance, why not?

The ONLY condition I have:

If you use a class change even one, you are NEVER allowed to post on the forums how ZOS is nerfing X class because they want to sell class change tokens. EVER.

Moonsorrow

White wabbit wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Class change has been asked for over 2 years so can’t see zos doing it as if they were it would have already happened

People were also asking for a possibility to change their Alliance.. and for years the answer was "no". And now we have had the Alliance Change Tokens for a while.

So they do make these sorts of things happen. Sometimes just takes time because of limitations on the original code of the game and how much effort will it take to change all the things that such a feature would demand.

But yeah, i see it can be possible to get a Class Change token eventually too after we did get the Alliance Change token that was supposed to be one of those "never gonna happen" things.

As the next post said zos have no plans to do this , alliance change was done so that you could go play with friends and guild mates , class change isn’t needed to be able to do this so isn’t needed

If you been around, ZOS said MANY times that Alliance change was not gonna happen because of many limitations so that it was not possible and that they "did not have plans to do it". Yet they did.

Would not be surprised to see it happen in next years chapter or at the next one after that.

ZOS got the data on how much people spend on a new character vs just changing it with a token and they would then put a price tag based on that. Will not be cheap i'd estimate. If had to guess it would be like 5k Crowns or even more.

Funny have never seen zos said they wouldn’t do alliance change but did see them say they have no plans on class change and this is something that’s been asked for from around 2016 , but hey if you want to flog a dead horse on this subject then it’s your time , I just hate see the forum filling up with threads that won’t anywhere

You will see. And i guess i have observed the forums and Devs social media and streams more than you since saw them saying MANY times Alliance change was not gonna happen. Until it did. They will keep quiet about the Class change until they get it done possible on coding and the pricing decisions. And until then they want people to grind new characters and spend on them. Would be bad business to let people know these things too long time before it happens, people make their gaming (and spending) decisions on things like that. Some who would not be satisfied to their "main" would instead of grinding new class just take a break until Class Token comes if they knew like half a year before it, would mean no money from those players to ZOS.

Thus, they will let us know about it JUST when there comes a Preview on PTS with that change when it happens, so only few weeks PTS cycle before it becomes a reality, not before that.

I mean, it is all basic business. No point explaining more.

Basic business is That they get more out of people having multiple characters I:e slots , sky shards , skill lines etc than allowing a few to just change one character . No point explaining more 😀

You do realize there are a lot of people who play with just ONE character? Or main and couple mule chars. They are the ones complaining most when class changes happen since they cannot just hop into another class and do not even want to because they do wanna play with their "main" that has all the cool achievements and titles and so on, but they would wanna change the class if had a choice.

There are plenty of such who not like many having alts. But, if their class gets crippled by the audit that been going on for the last 1,5 years.. they might wanna buy class change token and switch to something better and/or more fun. Their alternative is often to just stop playing if their first/only/main character gets changed to something else that they do not like anymore.

These people do not make other characters, they do not buy skyshards or anything else. They just take a break/quit and check in every now and then to see if their precious class is "playable" again. I know such people personally. Some would like to also have their first character to become Warden or Necro, since those were not options when they created their characters, but they wanna have their achievements and titles and so on so not making new one. Should be easy to see from forums and as a concept one that you also understand how much there are such people?

So, it will happen eventually. They will just make the pricing of the Class token such that it covers the possibly lost other token sales. Most people will do alts and will buy other tokens anyways because they like having alts or many like having ALL classes ready to play anytime they want. But only a good business move to also take the income from the people who would not.

Some only have that one character, imagine a typical Legolas3000 that is now a Nightblade but the player wants it to become a Warden so can be one with nature, have a hp% burst heal, AND shoot arrows to the knees of enemies, park Bear on top of Writ return boxes, with all the achievements and alliance rank and all the emotional value that first character has, but with all the fun a new class can bring..

As i said, you will see. After all the other tokens and the Alliance change token, that imo was mechanically more complicated than Class change would be, Class change token can be compared more to Race change token in difficulty level..

People could have made new characters to "play with friends" on different Alliance, and many did, but many also did not.. thus Alliance change token happened so ZOS could get income from the "lazy people". And the same "lazy people" will not grind new characters.. they want instant change. Thus.. if ZOS wants income from those same type of players again, they will do Class change token.

As they said when they did start to sell Guild lines and other tokens.. "We are testing the waters with these" -ZOS, so basic logic will tell you that after people accepted those with only few being grumpy ("These are p2w at under lvl 50 pvp when rich people buy skill lines and have Meteors and stuff!!" said some players, but not a major forum uproar happened.) about them so they did then slowly move ahead with the plan to increase tokens for the "lazy people" or better to also say just for people with not so much gaming time but who still want to get optimal class/race/skill lines fast and spend their actual playing time doing the content they like instead of grinding the things..

So after Alliance change token, expect in near future also to get "Instant max level token" and Class change token. Those are tokens that needed some others first as pioneers for "testing the waters" as in how it affects the gameplay behaviour patterns, is there a community backlash of "p2w" accusations or are they accepted as a QoL choice for those who do not enjoy doing same content the 15th time but would rather pay for it to get things fast..

We live in different kind of times now than 5 years ago, people want fast switches and are ready to pay for those. And because of the changed attitudes on these things, we now are getting them unlike 5 years ago. Remember when player crafted consumables were slightly better than Crown Store ones? Now they are the same, people accepted that. Times are different now. More Tokens will be coming..

Tandor

Be careful what you wish for.

Class change tokens would mean all the competitive players (and those who just feel the urge to follow the herd) running around with the same class until the FOTM changes again. Which it will, because with class change tokens in the Crown store at high prices ZOS will make sure that the classes are constantly altered so the balance changes and more tokens can be sold.

iris56

It'll happen at some point, when it does I'm going to pull out my wallet so fast....

Seriously though, there are so many other things ZOS has said they would never do... Alliance change, necromancers, dragons. At some point the money they can make on class change tokens will be worth the hassle.

With as much as all the classes have changed, and achievement points being tied to a single character rather than the account, the market is there. I think there are lots of us who would choose a different class for our main if we had it to do again. Of my 36 max cp characters at least 3 would get class changed right now if I could.

MakeMeUhSamich

Tandor wrote: »

Be careful what you wish for.

Class change tokens would mean all the competitive players (and those who just feel the urge to follow the herd) running around with the same class until the FOTM changes again. Which it will, because with class change tokens in the Crown store at high prices ZOS will make sure that the classes are constantly altered so the balance changes and more tokens can be sold.

They already do run the FOTM...just on an alt. And constant class/balance changes have been a thing since launch.

Banana

Think of the money 💰 zos. I'm still waiting to give you some.

volkeswagon

they tried but it created issues. Maybe down the road

xI_The_Owl_Ix

People who bring up the FOTM issue:

1. its already happening with alts, the amount of people who main a class but suddenly are on the new meta class in PvP is already a thing
2. ZoS should make class change token ONLY avaible to characters who have done Cadwells Gold, assuming that the majority of people who want class change token have done A LOT regarding quests and other grindy activities, I would assume that they have done Cadwells Gold.


That being said, I think class change token are long overdue. I dont enjoy playing my NB anymore, its a chore. Meanwhile I love playing my DK however I have 247 days played on my NB, 30k+ achievement points, majority of all motifs completed, Master Angler, Emp, 80+ titles, 500+ furnishing plans learned and I just cant be bothered to do all of these things again on my DK, its a waste of my time to be quite frankly. With a class change token I could just play the class that I enjoy the most (DK) and still continue getting achievements and titles etc. on this char.

Ive been contemplating about just to stop playing for a year or so in hopes that we will get a class change during my "break", because games should be FUN, and I cant say that I enjoy playing my NB.

Either a class change token or a shared achievement/motif/consumables/collectibles system is needed!

Welkynar

At this point, I feel like it will happen eventually since this is such a popular request.

White wabbit

Zos as there are already numerous threads on this subject can we close down some