DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »I cannot fathom how or why the DC community in PCNA are constantly pushing for Brindle or Chal (almost ALWAYS Chal) when Dragon is red and Bruma and WP are red as well. It is absolutely mind boggling.
Most of us who’ve been DC since launch are also baffled by this. Half of our faction will stay at Chal even if we’re losing Glade. It honestly is as entertaining as it is maddening.
Every faction thinks that the others are allied against them, only rarely does it ever have any merit and to think otherwise is ridiculous. Some frustration against a specific faction that usually dominates ends up with that faction usually being the worst for a few campaigns, and particularly targeted for "retribution". Then one of the 2 other factions becomes the powerhouse for a bit until eventually the other 2 factions target them for "retribution" and so forth. This isn't by any means a hard and fast rule.
When I first started shortly after launch (no idea the campaign) AD was by far the most populous and dominant faction with dc being the smaller scale better players and ep basically relying on dc to keep ad off of them. Then dc became the dominant faction with people leaving ad because of the number disparity. Then it was EP.
Right now it's EPs turn to be targeted for "retribution", at some point some people on EP who just want to hop on the badwagon will leave, and either DC or AD will be the dominant faction until EP and the other faction target them for "retribution" and so forth. To blame whatever you want on 1 player is hardly appropriate and doesn't exactly make much sense.
eh its less of a conspiracy in AD's case.
back when DC was the smallest faction at launch, rarely getting up to pop lock and often being only 2 bar (this was in pvp prime btw) and EP was constantly pop locked, a few large EP guilds re rolled to DC to even out the pop.
this was the beginning of EP = DC.
now everyone fights every faction, but there has always been this mentality of "the real enemy is in the south" and once again, EP guilds went to DC with the recent EP exodus.
just how it goes.
Every faction thinks that the others are allied against them, only rarely does it ever have any merit and to think otherwise is ridiculous. Some frustration against a specific faction that usually dominates ends up with that faction usually being the worst for a few campaigns, and particularly targeted for "retribution". Then one of the 2 other factions becomes the powerhouse for a bit until eventually the other 2 factions target them for "retribution" and so forth. This isn't by any means a hard and fast rule.
When I first started shortly after launch (no idea the campaign) AD was by far the most populous and dominant faction with dc being the smaller scale better players and ep basically relying on dc to keep ad off of them. Then dc became the dominant faction with people leaving ad because of the number disparity. Then it was EP.
Right now it's EPs turn to be targeted for "retribution", at some point some people on EP who just want to hop on the badwagon will leave, and either DC or AD will be the dominant faction until EP and the other faction target them for "retribution" and so forth. To blame whatever you want on 1 player is hardly appropriate and doesn't exactly make much sense.
eh its less of a conspiracy in AD's case.
back when DC was the smallest faction at launch, rarely getting up to pop lock and often being only 2 bar (this was in pvp prime btw) and EP was constantly pop locked, a few large EP guilds re rolled to DC to even out the pop.
this was the beginning of EP = DC.
now everyone fights every faction, but there has always been this mentality of "the real enemy is in the south" and once again, EP guilds went to DC with the recent EP exodus.
just how it goes.
Even their current emp is a [snip] who leech AP.Joy_Division wrote: »Every faction thinks that the others are allied against them, only rarely does it ever have any merit and to think otherwise is ridiculous. Some frustration against a specific faction that usually dominates ends up with that faction usually being the worst for a few campaigns, and particularly targeted for "retribution". Then one of the 2 other factions becomes the powerhouse for a bit until eventually the other 2 factions target them for "retribution" and so forth. This isn't by any means a hard and fast rule.
When I first started shortly after launch (no idea the campaign) AD was by far the most populous and dominant faction with dc being the smaller scale better players and ep basically relying on dc to keep ad off of them. Then dc became the dominant faction with people leaving ad because of the number disparity. Then it was EP.
Right now it's EPs turn to be targeted for "retribution", at some point some people on EP who just want to hop on the badwagon will leave, and either DC or AD will be the dominant faction until EP and the other faction target them for "retribution" and so forth. To blame whatever you want on 1 player is hardly appropriate and doesn't exactly make much sense.
eh its less of a conspiracy in AD's case.
back when DC was the smallest faction at launch, rarely getting up to pop lock and often being only 2 bar (this was in pvp prime btw) and EP was constantly pop locked, a few large EP guilds re rolled to DC to even out the pop.
this was the beginning of EP = DC.
now everyone fights every faction, but there has always been this mentality of "the real enemy is in the south" and once again, EP guilds went to DC with the recent EP exodus.
just how it goes.
LoL.
AD players have been delusional since launch. Back in 2014 they whined constantly about the so-called "Purple Alliance."
EP and DC don't go south because Ad is the "true enemy." They go south because the AD pugs think that pressing the crouch key and spamming bow light attacks are winning strategies.
Even their current emp is a [snip] who leech AP.Joy_Division wrote: »Every faction thinks that the others are allied against them, only rarely does it ever have any merit and to think otherwise is ridiculous. Some frustration against a specific faction that usually dominates ends up with that faction usually being the worst for a few campaigns, and particularly targeted for "retribution". Then one of the 2 other factions becomes the powerhouse for a bit until eventually the other 2 factions target them for "retribution" and so forth. This isn't by any means a hard and fast rule.
When I first started shortly after launch (no idea the campaign) AD was by far the most populous and dominant faction with dc being the smaller scale better players and ep basically relying on dc to keep ad off of them. Then dc became the dominant faction with people leaving ad because of the number disparity. Then it was EP.
Right now it's EPs turn to be targeted for "retribution", at some point some people on EP who just want to hop on the badwagon will leave, and either DC or AD will be the dominant faction until EP and the other faction target them for "retribution" and so forth. To blame whatever you want on 1 player is hardly appropriate and doesn't exactly make much sense.
eh its less of a conspiracy in AD's case.
back when DC was the smallest faction at launch, rarely getting up to pop lock and often being only 2 bar (this was in pvp prime btw) and EP was constantly pop locked, a few large EP guilds re rolled to DC to even out the pop.
this was the beginning of EP = DC.
now everyone fights every faction, but there has always been this mentality of "the real enemy is in the south" and once again, EP guilds went to DC with the recent EP exodus.
just how it goes.
LoL.
AD players have been delusional since launch. Back in 2014 they whined constantly about the so-called "Purple Alliance."
EP and DC don't go south because Ad is the "true enemy." They go south because the AD pugs think that pressing the crouch key and spamming bow light attacks are winning strategies.
Even their current emp is a [snip] who leech AP.Joy_Division wrote: »Every faction thinks that the others are allied against them, only rarely does it ever have any merit and to think otherwise is ridiculous. Some frustration against a specific faction that usually dominates ends up with that faction usually being the worst for a few campaigns, and particularly targeted for "retribution". Then one of the 2 other factions becomes the powerhouse for a bit until eventually the other 2 factions target them for "retribution" and so forth. This isn't by any means a hard and fast rule.
When I first started shortly after launch (no idea the campaign) AD was by far the most populous and dominant faction with dc being the smaller scale better players and ep basically relying on dc to keep ad off of them. Then dc became the dominant faction with people leaving ad because of the number disparity. Then it was EP.
Right now it's EPs turn to be targeted for "retribution", at some point some people on EP who just want to hop on the badwagon will leave, and either DC or AD will be the dominant faction until EP and the other faction target them for "retribution" and so forth. To blame whatever you want on 1 player is hardly appropriate and doesn't exactly make much sense.
eh its less of a conspiracy in AD's case.
back when DC was the smallest faction at launch, rarely getting up to pop lock and often being only 2 bar (this was in pvp prime btw) and EP was constantly pop locked, a few large EP guilds re rolled to DC to even out the pop.
this was the beginning of EP = DC.
now everyone fights every faction, but there has always been this mentality of "the real enemy is in the south" and once again, EP guilds went to DC with the recent EP exodus.
just how it goes.
LoL.
AD players have been delusional since launch. Back in 2014 they whined constantly about the so-called "Purple Alliance."
EP and DC don't go south because Ad is the "true enemy." They go south because the AD pugs think that pressing the crouch key and spamming bow light attacks are winning strategies.
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Joy_Division wrote: »Every faction thinks that the others are allied against them, only rarely does it ever have any merit and to think otherwise is ridiculous. Some frustration against a specific faction that usually dominates ends up with that faction usually being the worst for a few campaigns, and particularly targeted for "retribution". Then one of the 2 other factions becomes the powerhouse for a bit until eventually the other 2 factions target them for "retribution" and so forth. This isn't by any means a hard and fast rule.
When I first started shortly after launch (no idea the campaign) AD was by far the most populous and dominant faction with dc being the smaller scale better players and ep basically relying on dc to keep ad off of them. Then dc became the dominant faction with people leaving ad because of the number disparity. Then it was EP.
Right now it's EPs turn to be targeted for "retribution", at some point some people on EP who just want to hop on the badwagon will leave, and either DC or AD will be the dominant faction until EP and the other faction target them for "retribution" and so forth. To blame whatever you want on 1 player is hardly appropriate and doesn't exactly make much sense.
eh its less of a conspiracy in AD's case.
back when DC was the smallest faction at launch, rarely getting up to pop lock and often being only 2 bar (this was in pvp prime btw) and EP was constantly pop locked, a few large EP guilds re rolled to DC to even out the pop.
this was the beginning of EP = DC.
now everyone fights every faction, but there has always been this mentality of "the real enemy is in the south" and once again, EP guilds went to DC with the recent EP exodus.
just how it goes.
LoL.
AD players have been delusional since launch. Back in 2014 they whined constantly about the so-called "Purple Alliance."
EP and DC don't go south because Ad is the "true enemy." They go south because the AD pugs think that pressing the crouch key and spamming bow light attacks are winning strategies.
Teargrants wrote: »
Cirantille wrote: »First: my main campaign is no-cp and I'd say numbers are quite even there.
So I saw a low pop bonus in GH and decided to go in but I am shocked.
Atm AD and DC 1 bar, EP pop-lock at 3 am.
What I dont get is, EP has 6 scrolls and Rayles and Warden blue. They just captured Rayles 10 min ago, why?
You already have all scrolls, I mean it is obvious there is no DC there.
This can not be PvP, this is PvE at this point
And it seems like AD and DC left this campaign because last time I was in GH, this was not how it was
I am very disappointed and truly sorry on behalf on CP campaign mainers
Cirantille wrote: »First: my main campaign is no-cp and I'd say numbers are quite even there.
So I saw a low pop bonus in GH and decided to go in but I am shocked.
Atm AD and DC 1 bar, EP pop-lock at 3 am.
What I dont get is, EP has 6 scrolls and Rayles and Warden blue. They just captured Rayles 10 min ago, why?
You already have all scrolls, I mean it is obvious there is no DC there.
This can not be PvP, this is PvE at this point
And it seems like AD and DC left this campaign because last time I was in GH, this was not how it was
I am very disappointed and truly sorry on behalf on CP campaign mainers
The issue is that "night-capping" is mostly done by people who are in times zones that aren't in this hemisphere. As such I can't really begrudge them playing at such a time, as there tends to be far fewer people on (in both pve and pvp) and as such they tend to stick with guilds and do everything together.
This happens on every server at points and is hardly one faction. Gate-camping is also every faction. It's a vicious cycle. For example, take DC and EP. DC gate camps EP as retribution for being gate camped themselves by EP who gate camped DC as retribution for being gate camped by DC who gate camped EP as retribution for being gate camped by EP and so forth. An EP player who missed EP gate camping DC would get frustrated because it seems like it's always DC gate camping EP and may participate in gate camping DC when possible. Same with a DC player, which of course just furthers the gate camping back and forth.
As far as number disparity, it's pretty even overall. Yes, during "nights" it varies wildly.
Cirantille wrote: »First: my main campaign is no-cp and I'd say numbers are quite even there.
So I saw a low pop bonus in GH and decided to go in but I am shocked.
Atm AD and DC 1 bar, EP pop-lock at 3 am.
What I dont get is, EP has 6 scrolls and Rayles and Warden blue. They just captured Rayles 10 min ago, why?
You already have all scrolls, I mean it is obvious there is no DC there.
This can not be PvP, this is PvE at this point
And it seems like AD and DC left this campaign because last time I was in GH, this was not how it was
I am very disappointed and truly sorry on behalf on CP campaign mainers
The issue is that "night-capping" is mostly done by people who are in times zones that aren't in this hemisphere. As such I can't really begrudge them playing at such a time, as there tends to be far fewer people on (in both pve and pvp) and as such they tend to stick with guilds and do everything together.
This happens on every server at points and is hardly one faction. Gate-camping is also every faction. It's a vicious cycle. For example, take DC and EP. DC gate camps EP as retribution for being gate camped themselves by EP who gate camped DC as retribution for being gate camped by DC who gate camped EP as retribution for being gate camped by EP and so forth. An EP player who missed EP gate camping DC would get frustrated because it seems like it's always DC gate camping EP and may participate in gate camping DC when possible. Same with a DC player, which of course just furthers the gate camping back and forth.
As far as number disparity, it's pretty even overall. Yes, during "nights" it varies wildly.
Joy_Division wrote: »Every faction thinks that the others are allied against them, only rarely does it ever have any merit and to think otherwise is ridiculous. Some frustration against a specific faction that usually dominates ends up with that faction usually being the worst for a few campaigns, and particularly targeted for "retribution". Then one of the 2 other factions becomes the powerhouse for a bit until eventually the other 2 factions target them for "retribution" and so forth. This isn't by any means a hard and fast rule.
When I first started shortly after launch (no idea the campaign) AD was by far the most populous and dominant faction with dc being the smaller scale better players and ep basically relying on dc to keep ad off of them. Then dc became the dominant faction with people leaving ad because of the number disparity. Then it was EP.
Right now it's EPs turn to be targeted for "retribution", at some point some people on EP who just want to hop on the badwagon will leave, and either DC or AD will be the dominant faction until EP and the other faction target them for "retribution" and so forth. To blame whatever you want on 1 player is hardly appropriate and doesn't exactly make much sense.
eh its less of a conspiracy in AD's case.
back when DC was the smallest faction at launch, rarely getting up to pop lock and often being only 2 bar (this was in pvp prime btw) and EP was constantly pop locked, a few large EP guilds re rolled to DC to even out the pop.
this was the beginning of EP = DC.
now everyone fights every faction, but there has always been this mentality of "the real enemy is in the south" and once again, EP guilds went to DC with the recent EP exodus.
just how it goes.
LoL.
AD players have been delusional since launch. Back in 2014 they whined constantly about the so-called "Purple Alliance."
EP and DC don't go south because Ad is the "true enemy." They go south because the AD pugs think that pressing the crouch key and spamming bow light attacks are winning strategies.
can you be a bit more specific? or give examples?
im talking 2015 Thornblade, when DC buff server was Chill. even prime time DC could not hit 3 bars, many a screenshot of 2 bar DC and 3 bar EP and AD.Teargrants wrote: »
by April that year, EP had zerged everyone off the server.
if you go back to around april / may 2015 on the forum, everyone is complaining about EP zerging the servers.
its only around the end of may that you start to see people jump over to DC or DC start to rally, LoM got bigger, FENGRUSH started popping up more, Daniel started popping up.
Joy_Division wrote: »Every faction thinks that the others are allied against them, only rarely does it ever have any merit and to think otherwise is ridiculous. Some frustration against a specific faction that usually dominates ends up with that faction usually being the worst for a few campaigns, and particularly targeted for "retribution". Then one of the 2 other factions becomes the powerhouse for a bit until eventually the other 2 factions target them for "retribution" and so forth. This isn't by any means a hard and fast rule.
When I first started shortly after launch (no idea the campaign) AD was by far the most populous and dominant faction with dc being the smaller scale better players and ep basically relying on dc to keep ad off of them. Then dc became the dominant faction with people leaving ad because of the number disparity. Then it was EP.
Right now it's EPs turn to be targeted for "retribution", at some point some people on EP who just want to hop on the badwagon will leave, and either DC or AD will be the dominant faction until EP and the other faction target them for "retribution" and so forth. To blame whatever you want on 1 player is hardly appropriate and doesn't exactly make much sense.
eh its less of a conspiracy in AD's case.
back when DC was the smallest faction at launch, rarely getting up to pop lock and often being only 2 bar (this was in pvp prime btw) and EP was constantly pop locked, a few large EP guilds re rolled to DC to even out the pop.
this was the beginning of EP = DC.
now everyone fights every faction, but there has always been this mentality of "the real enemy is in the south" and once again, EP guilds went to DC with the recent EP exodus.
just how it goes.
LoL.
AD players have been delusional since launch. Back in 2014 they whined constantly about the so-called "Purple Alliance."
EP and DC don't go south because Ad is the "true enemy." They go south because the AD pugs think that pressing the crouch key and spamming bow light attacks are winning strategies.
can you be a bit more specific? or give examples?
im talking 2015 Thornblade, when DC buff server was Chill. even prime time DC could not hit 3 bars, many a screenshot of 2 bar DC and 3 bar EP and AD.Teargrants wrote: »
by April that year, EP had zerged everyone off the server.
if you go back to around april / may 2015 on the forum, everyone is complaining about EP zerging the servers.
its only around the end of may that you start to see people jump over to DC or DC start to rally, LoM got bigger, FENGRUSH started popping up more, Daniel started popping up.
Most of the DC from that era still identify as the victim in every situation.
Dunning_Kruger wrote: »Man thinking of CN made me remember when Kita slayed the era of DC that summer by being on leave from his deployment and being the longest held emp in AD history. He had an uninterrupted reign of 15 days and was essentially emp for 2 months straight. AD drove DC and EP into the dirt. Gods it was a glorious time then. They claimed they “quit” to play in cp; but really they got 2v20’d every day until they quit.
Long live KS
#campaignkillers
Dunning_Kruger wrote: »Man thinking of CN made me remember when Kita slayed the era of DC that summer by being on leave from his deployment and being the longest held emp in AD history. He had an uninterrupted reign of 15 days and was essentially emp for 2 months straight. AD drove DC and EP into the dirt. Gods it was a glorious time then. They claimed they “quit” to play in cp; but really they got 2v20’d every day until they quit.
Long live KS
#campaignkillers
I’m pretty sure that 2 months doesn’t count as the “longest held emp in AD history” by a long shot. I think both @Ezareth and Sura held emp longer than that on Haderus. Maybe Pixysticks too.
Dunning_Kruger wrote: »Dunning_Kruger wrote: »Man thinking of CN made me remember when Kita slayed the era of DC that summer by being on leave from his deployment and being the longest held emp in AD history. He had an uninterrupted reign of 15 days and was essentially emp for 2 months straight. AD drove DC and EP into the dirt. Gods it was a glorious time then. They claimed they “quit” to play in cp; but really they got 2v20’d every day until they quit.
Long live KS
#campaignkillers
I’m pretty sure that 2 months doesn’t count as the “longest held emp in AD history” by a long shot. I think both @Ezareth and Sura held emp longer than that on Haderus. Maybe Pixysticks too.
Handerus was 7 day campaign tho right kind of easily to abuse with such a low pop.
Dunning_Kruger wrote: »Dunning_Kruger wrote: »Man thinking of CN made me remember when Kita slayed the era of DC that summer by being on leave from his deployment and being the longest held emp in AD history. He had an uninterrupted reign of 15 days and was essentially emp for 2 months straight. AD drove DC and EP into the dirt. Gods it was a glorious time then. They claimed they “quit” to play in cp; but really they got 2v20’d every day until they quit.
Long live KS
#campaignkillers
I’m pretty sure that 2 months doesn’t count as the “longest held emp in AD history” by a long shot. I think both @Ezareth and Sura held emp longer than that on Haderus. Maybe Pixysticks too.
Handerus was 7 day campaign tho right kind of easily to abuse with such a low pop.
Doesn’t change the fact that your statement was false.
Joy_Divisihttps://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/151554/purple-alliance-confirmed[url= wrote:https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/151554/purple-alliance-confirmed[/url]on;c-6993696"]Every faction thinks that the others are allied against them, only rarely does it ever have any merit and to think otherwise is ridiculous. Some frustration against a specific faction that usually dominates ends up with that faction usually being the worst for a few campaigns, and particularly targeted for "retribution". Then one of the 2 other factions becomes the powerhouse for a bit until eventually the other 2 factions target them for "retribution" and so forth. This isn't by any means a hard and fast rule.
When I first started shortly after launch (no idea the campaign) AD was by far the most populous and dominant faction with dc being the smaller scale better players and ep basically relying on dc to keep ad off of them. Then dc became the dominant faction with people leaving ad because of the number disparity. Then it was EP.
Right now it's EPs turn to be targeted for "retribution", at some point some people on EP who just want to hop on the badwagon will leave, and either DC or AD will be the dominant faction until EP and the other faction target them for "retribution" and so forth. To blame whatever you want on 1 player is hardly appropriate and doesn't exactly make much sense.
eh its less of a conspiracy in AD's case.
back when DC was the smallest faction at launch, rarely getting up to pop lock and often being only 2 bar (this was in pvp prime btw) and EP was constantly pop locked, a few large EP guilds re rolled to DC to even out the pop.
this was the beginning of EP = DC.
now everyone fights every faction, but there has always been this mentality of "the real enemy is in the south" and once again, EP guilds went to DC with the recent EP exodus.
just how it goes.
LoL.
AD players have been delusional since launch. Back in 2014 they whined constantly about the so-called "Purple Alliance."
EP and DC don't go south because Ad is the "true enemy." They go south because the AD pugs think that pressing the crouch key and spamming bow light attacks are winning strategies.
can you be a bit more specific? or give examples?
im talking 2015 Thornblade, when DC buff server was Chill. even prime time DC could not hit 3 bars, many a screenshot of 2 bar DC and 3 bar EP and AD.Teargrants wrote: »
by April that year, EP had zerged everyone off the server.
if you go back to around april / may 2015 on the forum, everyone is complaining about EP zerging the servers.
its only around the end of may that you start to see people jump over to DC or DC start to rally, LoM got bigger, FENGRUSH started popping up more, Daniel started popping up.
Joy_Division wrote: »Anything that Teargrants posted that's not a Spiderman meme or commentary on sorcerer gameplay is intended to be a joke, Actually, even those two were most often jokes
As far as these memories of a DC 2 pop cap, they are clearly mistaken. Anyone who played regularly back then remembers Bandon South-Ga's hordes.
Joy_Division wrote: »Every faction thinks that the others are allied against them, only rarely does it ever have any merit and to think otherwise is ridiculous. Some frustration against a specific faction that usually dominates ends up with that faction usually being the worst for a few campaigns, and particularly targeted for "retribution". Then one of the 2 other factions becomes the powerhouse for a bit until eventually the other 2 factions target them for "retribution" and so forth. This isn't by any means a hard and fast rule.
When I first started shortly after launch (no idea the campaign) AD was by far the most populous and dominant faction with dc being the smaller scale better players and ep basically relying on dc to keep ad off of them. Then dc became the dominant faction with people leaving ad because of the number disparity. Then it was EP.
Right now it's EPs turn to be targeted for "retribution", at some point some people on EP who just want to hop on the badwagon will leave, and either DC or AD will be the dominant faction until EP and the other faction target them for "retribution" and so forth. To blame whatever you want on 1 player is hardly appropriate and doesn't exactly make much sense.
eh its less of a conspiracy in AD's case.
back when DC was the smallest faction at launch, rarely getting up to pop lock and often being only 2 bar (this was in pvp prime btw) and EP was constantly pop locked, a few large EP guilds re rolled to DC to even out the pop.
this was the beginning of EP = DC.
now everyone fights every faction, but there has always been this mentality of "the real enemy is in the south" and once again, EP guilds went to DC with the recent EP exodus.
just how it goes.
LoL.
AD players have been delusional since launch. Back in 2014 they whined constantly about the so-called "Purple Alliance."
EP and DC don't go south because Ad is the "true enemy." They go south because the AD pugs think that pressing the crouch key and spamming bow light attacks are winning strategies.
can you be a bit more specific? or give examples?
im talking 2015 Thornblade, when DC buff server was Chill. even prime time DC could not hit 3 bars, many a screenshot of 2 bar DC and 3 bar EP and AD.Teargrants wrote: »
by April that year, EP had zerged everyone off the server.
if you go back to around april / may 2015 on the forum, everyone is complaining about EP zerging the servers.
its only around the end of may that you start to see people jump over to DC or DC start to rally, LoM got bigger, FENGRUSH started popping up more, Daniel started popping up.
Most of the DC from that era still identify as the victim in every situation.
kind of fun watching the rise and fall, Daniel does not play anymore (not since like 2016 iirc) but i recall he became a MASSIVE zerg lord before he left. kind of like ahtu.
fun looking back through old forum threads and the timeline though.
kind of miss all the threads, players, and pvp changes / updates.
we are a pretty small shell of our former self i must say.
Whenever I think of Daniel I remember this terrifying defeat he inflicted upon us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKhJA6LuPsw