Does Imperial race need a buff or not?

Berchelous

Diplomat: Increases experience gain with the One-Handed and Shield Line by 15%

Increases your gold gained by 1%

My suggestion is: Increases your gold gained by %5.

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Tough:

Rank III - Unlocked at Imperial 30
Increases your Max Health by 2000

My suggestion is:

Increases your max health by 1500 and physical and spell resistance by 2000.

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Imperial Mattle

Rank III - Unlocked at Imperial 40
Increases your Max Stamina by 2000

My suggestion is:

Increases your max stamina and magicka by 1250. Or increases your max stamina by 1500 and magicka by 500.

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Red Diamond

When you deal Direct Damage, you restore 333 Health, Magicka, and Stamina. This effect has a 5 second cooldown. It also will reduce the cost of all abilities by 3%

My suggestion is:
When you deal Direct Damage, you restore 500 Health, Magicka, and Stamina, whichever has the highest stat. This effect has a 6 second cooldown. It also will reduce the cost of all abilities by 3%.


I think Imperial should be versatile and have some resistance. Also, red diamond passive will give more specific gameplay chocies for imperials.

What do you think? My suggestions seem a bit op because i love the race.

Sergykid

many things need balancing, argonian became the weakest of the races, and now even has a set score under the standard. But nobody cares, it's a business

ZaroktheImmortal

Well the last racial changes changed a lot around. Used to be dark elves were the top tier magika dps race. Now they're more of a hybrid but at least not too far behind the top ones so they at least make a good choice if you want to be able to switch between magika and stamina so there is that.

BigBragg

I have recently been playing an Imperial Necro Tank, and I honestly like the flat stat passives as they are. Allows me to invest a bit heavier into magicka while keeping the build well rounded. So I say keep those as is. They're also solid on a stam DPS character.

As per the gold, sure and extra 4% may add up over the years, but that is not where I make my money from.

Red Diamon giving 500 on all back ever 5 seconds would be really strong. Think if you are going to petition for a buff there, pick to either increase the amount or shorten the cool down. My favorite part of that passive is the cost reduction it applies, 3% in longer fights adds up, and effects ultimate. Pairs well with the Akavati Dragonguard set.

hakan

i feel the same but be careful of p2w crowd since they try to label everyting p2w and you would give them another excuse to cry lol.

JobooAGS

Redguards need a buff too, especially after the endurance changes. Do the math, you’ll see why.

Sergykid

hakan wrote: »

i feel the same but be careful of p2w crowd since they try to label everyting p2w and you would give them another excuse to cry lol.

it doesn't matter what or how they label something p2w. If you can buy it with gold as gift, it's not p2w, you obtain it without any real money given.
the only p2w can be said about chapters, in this case having mythic items (except those that got them for free at the bug at launch)

Abhaya

I wouldn’t be opposed to making it more hybrid. It matches the lore. As it is now max stats and sustain aren’t bad for anyone but you aren’t going to be the top dps in trials. It works for me in PVP and dungeons at least as a stam build.

Ratzkifal

Aside from the sustain buff to Red Diamond this is actually a nerf to Imperials in PvE.
Resistances have a cap. Beyond 33k or so you do not gain any mitigation from additional resistance. It's already quite easy to reach the resistance cap, so reducing the max health will result in it being an overall nerf.
As for damage. You are gutting Imperial stamina damage options in favor of still pretty terrible magicka damage options. The base stats factor into your skill damage. If it was an unnoticeable amount below 2000 max stats like Dunmer, then fine. But 1500 or even 1250 is noticeable and hurts. Ask Nords and Argonians if they are viable dps. I doubt the buff to sustain can fully make up for that. Even if it can, at best they will be even with Redguards and Bosmer for stamina dps, which is still the bottom of the barrel for all stamina options. As magicka dps they will still be behind Khajiit but pull ahead of Argonians at best.

As for PvP this is definitely a buff but it also is overly complicated for no good reason. Imperial is one of the best races right now because of its versatility. The 3% cost reduction applies to everything. Dodgeroll, ultimate, sprint, block, sneak, breakfree - you name it - Imperials have a 3% cost reduction for it. Combined with the resource restore they are already sustaining better than Argonians who spam potions. They really don't need that buff.

The only justification for Imperial buffs comes from the lore side of things.
Looking at the lore, we have a tradition of Imperial Battlemages and their racial passives do not reflect that because they are the worst magicka dps of all the races that even get magicka-related racial boni. In regards to lore they can take a nerf in the health department. Nords and Orcs are supposed to be more sturdy than Imperials, Orcs especially who have their corpses especially sought-after by Necromancers because they make for sturdier undead. So if we want to buff magicka, then the max health is where I would put the axe. Their Red Diamond passive is already making them great for being tanks anyway and I like to imagine this is due to their superior discipline and training as legionairs as well as their adaptability and quick-thinking skills.

Ratzkifal

Sergykid wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

i feel the same but be careful of p2w crowd since they try to label everyting p2w and you would give them another excuse to cry lol.

it doesn't matter what or how they label something p2w. If you can buy it with gold as gift, it's not p2w, you obtain it without any real money given.
the only p2w can be said about chapters, in this case having mythic items (except those that got them for free at the bug at launch)

While I don't think this is P2W as long as Imperials don't overshadow every other racial option, in general you can't argue that something is not pay to win because someone is willing to crown-sell it to you. If there was nobody around selling crowns, then you wouldn't be able to get the Imperial race with gold. If you can't get it with gold and it's broken OP without competition, then it's P2W. The without competition part is the most important here because new gear from DLC and chapter releases etc is not without competition. There were always basegame sets that could compete with the new flavor of the month sets and often times would be more reliable. Mother's Sorrow is a good example.

Donny_Vito

Imperial is like the red-headed step child of the races. It needs something to make it more usable other than PvP and niche tanking.

Ratzkifal

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Imperial is like the red-headed step child of the races. It needs something to make it more usable other than PvP and niche tanking.

I think Nords are worse in that regard. They are in the same mess as Imperials and Argonians but these two at least have passives that benefit dps and/or healing through their sustain. Of the three tank races Imperials have the best damage options with their 2000 max stam, which is neat compared to the 1500 max stam Nords get and the 1000 max magicka Argonians have.

ZaroktheImmortal

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Imperial is like the red-headed step child of the races. It needs something to make it more usable other than PvP and niche tanking.

I mean...same could be said for nords. The two areas nords are best in are tanking and stam pvp toons other than that...